Question about transferring hard drives...

Futher

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So my dad runs a machine shop, and he has an oooold Dell Dimensions L1000R with a very old version of "Virtual Gibbs" (CAD Program) installed on it. After 12+ years, the computer finally crapped out. Unfortunately he doesn't have the money for a new system, but more importantly he can't afford a new copy of Virtual Gibbs. He lost the original CD in a flood.

If I were to purchase a used L1000R on ebay or somewhere, would I be able to swap the hard drives without any issues? There were no upgrades or anything, so video drivers won't be an issue.

Also, if I were to buy or build a new, low-end system, could I use that hard drive? I generally would format and start over any time a big hardware change was made, but this is a tough situation.

Thanks a ton for your help.
 

Ken g6

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Well, first things first, I suggest sticking that HDD in another machine or external drive bay and making a backup disk image, if you don't have one already.

If I were to purchase a used L1000R on ebay or somewhere, would I be able to swap the hard drives without any issues?
That should work, if you can find a working L1000r.

So, how much money is available? My personal suggestion would be to get a new machine (or an existing one with lots of disk space), take a copy of that HDD image, and try to run that drive image with VirtualBox. It might not work, or you might wind up paying MS up to a few hundred dollars to get a new license, but if it does work you should never have to worry about changing hardware again.
 

Blain

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Well, first things first, I suggest sticking that HDD in another machine or external drive bay and making a backup disk image, if you don't have one already.
Yes, cloning the original PATA HD is the best first step to take for that Pentium 3 system.
Protect the data as much as possible.

What kind of a machine shop does your pop run that isn't generating enough cash for a new PC for the business?
I realize times are tough, but is his business dead in the water without this application?
 

mfenn

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Well, first things first, I suggest sticking that HDD in another machine or external drive bay and making a backup disk image, if you don't have one already.

That should work, if you can find a working L1000r.

So, how much money is available? My personal suggestion would be to get a new machine (or an existing one with lots of disk space), take a copy of that HDD image, and try to run that drive image with VirtualBox. It might not work, or you might wind up paying MS up to a few hundred dollars to get a new license, but if it does work you should never have to worry about changing hardware again.

I do like the VM idea, but if the software is relies on making a connection to a physical machine over a serial or parallel port, you might be out of luck.
 

Futher

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Thanks a lot. It does require a serial port connection right to the CNC machines. It has some sort of dongle and special "POST" software to allow it to communicate with the machines. His machine shop was rockin' up until 9/11. Once the economy took a hit, they started outsourcing the field he machines for (semi-conductor industry) to China and other places. His whole shop also got flooded not too long ago, and he's still working on recovering from that. He's also almost 70 years old, so he's trying to maintain for another year or two before he retires. Not looking to put too much money back in to it if he can avoid it.

Thanks again for the advice. I'll back everything up, then give it a try.
 

ch33zw1z

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Here's my exp with old serial port software and moving to W7 pro x64.

I run Win 7 Pro x64 on an Lenovo T410. I use Windows Virtual PC and XP mode (free XP VM) with old console/telnet software I need to run from XP. USB to Serial adapter is a TU-S9.

You just have to install the adapter in Windows 7, then configure the Windows Virtual PC to take it over, and start the XP VM.
 

Paperdoc

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You don't mention what OS your machine is using, but you might have a problem similar to one I had.

We run a retail store using POS software originally written as a DOS application that ran well under DOS and Windows 3 and Win 98. We updated to the latest version of that in time for Y2K, but still that supplier's last version based on the old DOS code base. (They had already re-written a version for Windows.) It still runs fine under Win XP, but it took a couple of tricks. The root of the problem is that the software, like lots written in that environment, writes directly to the serial port to print out a sales receipt. Under Win XP and later, that is not possible - Windows completely virtualizes the ports, and no software can write directly to them. Since you are using the serial port with very old software, you may NOT be able to use that with a current OS. But if it was working anyway, and especially if your OS is Win 98 or earlier, you are OK as long as you keep that. (I will note, however, that people have had a challenge trying to install and run Win98 (even 98SE) on a modern computer, because sometimes you can't find drivers for today's motherboard devices.)

By the way, I suspect your system uses the serial port bi-directionally for two functions. One is communication with the shop machines. The other, I suspect, is communication with the "dongle" - much software of that era used a unique hardware dongle on a serial port as a copy protection security measure.

In my case the solution was given us by Tech Support at the supplier. The key step is to use the NET USE commands in a small DOS batch file (that also starts up the app software) to re-direct traffic for the printer to the serial port. But the trick here is that you can't re-direct traffic intended for a serial port to a serial port. So I "installed" a fake identical printer to a Parallel port in Windows, then configured the app software to tell it that its printer was on that parallel port now. The NET USE commands then redirect that parallel port to the serial port, and it works. This communication is both ways - the software receives error signals, etc back from the printer. This technique also can be used to allow old software to print to a USB port.

The second part, for us, was to deal with the fact that the computer is not on a network, so how can Network Redirection work? There are two ways. One is to buy and install a cheap router that does not even connect to an outside network through its WAN port. But you DO connect one computer LAN port to one LAN port of the router so that, to the computer, it thinks it is on a network and you can install the networking software. The other technique is to use a small software network stack emulator that is among the many files on your Windows Install CD. It was originally designed to simulate the existence of a network for testing purposes on the computer, even when it actually has nothing connected to its LAN ports. I creates a virtual network stack and allows NET USE and similar network tools to work. If you need details of this, post here and I'll dig out the exact file name needed and the command lines required in WIN.INI (I think).
 
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