Question for all religious people...

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: tcG
Why did God put us on Earth in the first place; if heaven is such a great place and God is such a great entity, than why are we existing in a place anything less than heaven?

Learning experience.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: hjo3
Well folks, that does it. He's disproved all religions. Atheism should be the new world-wide belief system by tomorrow morning.

Works for me. :thumbsup:

Science H. Logic! :Q

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: tcG
Are you saying that in order for us to be tested as mortals on Earth, the granting of free will was necessary?

We're not "tested" on Earth.

Free will is necessary for love to mean anything. If we are not allowed the option of doing bad things, then good deeds are ultimately meaningless.

ZV

 

[tcG]

If we aren't "tested" on Earth, than why are we here?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: tcG
If we aren't "tested" on Earth, than why are we here?

Sounds to me like you're just trolling.

 

[SsupernovaE]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: tcG
Are you saying that in order for us to be tested as mortals on Earth, the granting of free will was necessary?

We're not "tested" on Earth.

Free will is necessary for love to mean anything. If we are not allowed the option of doing bad things, then good deeds are ultimately meaningless.

ZV

So this omnipotent being could not have found a better way than the current one? Is He limited by that logic?

 

[BigJ]

DVK916 is back.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: tcG

Originally posted by: irishScott
In any case, I don't have to rationalize my faith to believe in it.

:disgust:

Be as disgusted as you like.

I believe what I believe because it feels right to believe. It provides a subconscious meaning to the unknown. Like giving a name to a variable as opposed to leaving it as a void concept.
I'd rather feel right and be wrong in this scenario, as religion has only a partial effect on my life.

I do not go to church hardly at all, I do not pray every night, and you won't catch me singing hymns at all.

My religion is kept alive in me through my core values. My opinions that reach the real world are a mixture of these values and logic, which I hold in EXTREMELY high esteem.

I do not live my life to "earn a spot in heaven". I will be the best man I can be as can be judged by my own human sense. If that isn't enough for god, then god can bite me.

I think my views on religion are best summed up in this quote from Kingdom of Heaven:

I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here [points to head] and here [points to heart] and by what you decide to do everyday, will make you a good man? or not.
-Hospitaler, Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[meltdown75]

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[everman]

Originally posted by: SsupernovaE

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: tcG
Are you saying that in order for us to be tested as mortals on Earth, the granting of free will was necessary?

We're not "tested" on Earth.

Free will is necessary for love to mean anything. If we are not allowed the option of doing bad things, then good deeds are ultimately meaningless.

ZV

So this omnipotent being could not have found a better way than the current one? Is He limited by that logic?

A better way for what? Do you mean a world where free will exists and yet not being able to commit a sin so everyone gets a free pass to heaven?

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: irishScott
In any case, I don't have to rationalize my faith to believe in it.

Wow. People like you honestly scare me.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: tcG
Are you saying that in order for us to be tested as mortals on Earth, the granting of free will was necessary?

We're not "tested" on Earth.

Free will is necessary for love to mean anything. If we are not allowed the option of doing bad things, then good deeds are ultimately meaningless.

ZV

Non-sequitur. There's nothing stopping someone from finding meaning within the limited scope of actions they are able to achieve. I can't fly but that doesn't make walking meaningless. I can't become invisible, but that doesn't make being seen meaningless. And so on...

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: irishScott
In any case, I don't have to rationalize my faith to believe in it.

Wow. People like you honestly scare me.

read my response to tcG above.

 

[IronWing]

I think all the bad singers got chucked out of heavenly choir and here we are. It explains alot.

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: tcG

Originally posted by: irishScott
In any case, I don't have to rationalize my faith to believe in it.

:disgust:

Be as disgusted as you like.

I believe what I believe because it feels right to believe. It provides a subconscious meaning to the unknown. Like giving a name to a variable as opposed to leaving it as a void concept.
I'd rather feel right and be wrong in this scenario, as religion has only a partial effect on my life.

I do not go to church hardly at all, I do not pray every night, and you won't catch me singing hymns at all.

My religion is kept alive in me through my core values. My opinions that reach the real world are a mixture of these values and logic, which I hold in EXTREMELY high esteem.

I do not live my life to "earn a spot in heaven". I will be the best man I can be as can be judged by my own human sense. If that isn't enough for god, then god can bite me.

I think my views on religion are best summed up in this quote from Kingdom of Heaven:

I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here [points to head] and here [points to heart] and by what you decide to do everyday, will make you a good man? or not.
-Hospitaler, Kingdom of Heaven.

Religious extremism is borne of people who say things like "In any case, I don't have to rationalize my faith to believe in it." Extremist groups love to find people who are so weak minded that they will believe things with next to no rationalisation.

 

[belchworld]

Originally posted by: tcG
Why did God put us on Earth in the first place; if heaven is such a great place and God is such a great entity, than why are we existing in a place anything less than heaven?

a. Because He wanted to.
b. I'm sure He had a really good reason.
c. I'm looking forward to hearing His explanation some day.
d. Until then, I'll do what He says and trust Him.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: tcG

Originally posted by: irishScott
In any case, I don't have to rationalize my faith to believe in it.

:disgust:

Be as disgusted as you like.

I believe what I believe because it feels right to believe. It provides a subconscious meaning to the unknown. Like giving a name to a variable as opposed to leaving it as a void concept.
I'd rather feel right and be wrong in this scenario, as religion has only a partial effect on my life.

I do not go to church hardly at all, I do not pray every night, and you won't catch me singing hymns at all.

My religion is kept alive in me through my core values. My opinions that reach the real world are a mixture of these values and logic, which I hold in EXTREMELY high esteem.

I do not live my life to "earn a spot in heaven". I will be the best man I can be as can be judged by my own human sense. If that isn't enough for god, then god can bite me.

I think my views on religion are best summed up in this quote from Kingdom of Heaven:

I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here [points to head] and here [points to heart] and by what you decide to do everyday, will make you a good man? or not.
-Hospitaler, Kingdom of Heaven.

Religious extremism is borne of people who say things like "In any case, I don't have to rationalize my faith to believe in it." Extremist groups love to find people who are so weak minded that they will believe things with next to no rationalisation.

Yes, I phrased it wrong. I edited said post.

What I really meant was that the whole point of faith is to believe. Not to know, but to believe. I do not analyze my faith, and my faith is individual in the extreme. I am against organized religion and am against and principles put into the real world based solely on religion.

To me religion and the real world are almost completely separate, save the mixed version that comes out in the form of my actions.

 

[Miramonti]

Because He thought it would be nice to give you a choice so you don't bitch about it when you get to your destination.

Noone likes an ungrateful house guest, not even God.

 

[tcG]

Originally posted by: belchworld

Originally posted by: tcG
Why did God put us on Earth in the first place; if heaven is such a great place and God is such a great entity, than why are we existing in a place anything less than heaven?

a. Because He wanted to.
b. I'm sure He had a really good reason.
c. I'm looking forward to hearing His explanation some day.
d. Until then, I'll do what He says and trust Him.

Does God read the forums too?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: tcG

Originally posted by: belchworld

Originally posted by: tcG
Why did God put us on Earth in the first place; if heaven is such a great place and God is such a great entity, than why are we existing in a place anything less than heaven?

a. Because He wanted to.
b. I'm sure He had a really good reason.
c. I'm looking forward to hearing His explanation some day.
d. Until then, I'll do what He says and trust Him.

Does God read the forums too?

Of course, how else does he know what to get you for Christmas?

 

[tcG]

The fact of the matter is God supposedly has the ability to do anything he pleases. Why does he not choose to make evil nonexistent and all of his creations infinitely happy?

 

[Jeff7]

Cause the guy's got a sense of humor, and he's omnipotent.

Ever seen Star Trek? Q? That guy's awesome. Omnipotent humor is the best, unless you're part of the punchline.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: tcG
The fact of the matter is God supposedly has the ability to do anything he pleases. Why does he not choose to make evil nonexistent and all of his creations infinitely happy?

Read your favorite holy text. It's all in there. God is a jackass.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: hjo3
Well folks, that does it. He's disproved all religions. Atheism should be the new world-wide belief system by tomorrow morning.

Onward Atheists Soldiers! I shall eat the child on my tummy!

??

I suppose you call Jews christ killers as well?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: tcG
Why did God put us on Earth in the first place; if heaven is such a great place and God is such a great entity, than why are we existing in a place anything less than heaven?

Suggestion, change the thread's title to "A question for Judeo-Christians and Muslims". Because not all religious people believe in a god or heaven.