Question for all you driven people

[jlee]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen
That's probably what, 9 credits? That's not even full time. What the fuck do you do with your time? And of course you hate college, you're taking bullshit classes. Take a full load of broad unrelated classes, and you'll eventually drift towards an area that you like.

8.

I don't exactly have tons of free money to throw around.

If you're broke, why the hell are you taking PE and Health? They won't count for jack shit unless you want to be a PE coach. And I don't think that would work well for you, the kids would probably kick your ass and stuff you in lockers.

Get a god damn job and take real classes.

They are part of required courses...

Are you sure you haven't confused junior high with college?

In that case, I'm sure you're not required to take them now and they're not a prerequisite for anything. Take some real classes.

Take a business, engineering, natural science, and liberal art class. Throw in a foreign language class if you want. That's at least 12 credits.

Pretty sure that is over 20 credit hours... I have already taken an engineering class and I failed that. (I don't really care to retake it) I don't really want to be an engineer anyway. It's just math problems all day.

You speak as if you have something better to do...

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen
business: 3
engineering: 3 or 4, depending on lab
science: 3 or 4, depending on lab
liberal: 3
swap one of those for a foreign language: 3

If you don't like math, choose something else: pyschologoy, art, music, literature, language, film, criminal justice, anything.

Business is usually five.
All engineering classes are five.
Sciences are mostly five.
Liberals are mostly five...
All foreign languages I have seen are five.

It's different at my college.

Then take 15 hours worth.

I'm genuinely interested in how many excuses you can come up with for being a virgin loser.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Yes. I do have many things that are far more enjoyable than retaking an engineering class which is full of pain.

Pretty sure that is over 20 credit hours...

....

You're taking eight. Stop whining about how pathetic your life is and do something about it. More school, work, something.

 

[Kirby]

What do you like about computers?

 

[TridenT]

I would get a job if I could... I would take more classes if I had any interest in a career of some kind...

But I happen to not be interested in almost any career and I can't get a job due to lack of references, a nice resume(which requires references), and no previous job experience.

Everyone wants to hire someone who has never done work before... Right?

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
What do you like about computers?

Fixing them, modifying them and tinkering with them... Learning about them, I suppose...

I mean, really... There is not a job in that except maybe at computer repair shop, and that will require lots of references.. I doubt the pay is halfway decent either.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I would get a job if I could... I would take more classes if I had any interest in a career of some kind...

But I happen to not be interested in almost any career and I can't get a job due to lack of references, a nice resume(which requires references), and no previous job experience.

Everyone wants to hire someone who has never done work before... Right?

How much time have you spent actively looking?

How many places have you applied?

 

[Kirby]

Ever think about CS, ECE, EE, or MIS?

 

[Fenixgoon]

i like math and science and i want to understand the world around me. the most (practical) fundamental level of objects is the material level organized from the nano/micro scale on up (physics is too impractical). from there, we go into making objects and tools with mechanical engineering.

thus, i really do enjoy materials engineering because i get to learn about making steel, aluminum, plastics, ceramics, etc, and my second interest is mechanical engineering, since that is used to create tools and machines. i kinda wish i were doing a double BS, but oh well

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen
That's probably what, 9 credits? That's not even full time. What the fuck do you do with your time? And of course you hate college, you're taking bullshit classes. Take a full load of broad unrelated classes, and you'll eventually drift towards an area that you like.

8.

I don't exactly have tons of free money to throw around.

If you're broke, why the hell are you taking PE and Health? They won't count for jack shit unless you want to be a PE coach. And I don't think that would work well for you, the kids would probably kick your ass and stuff you in lockers.

Get a god damn job and take real classes.

They are part of required courses...

Are you sure you haven't confused junior high with college?

In that case, I'm sure you're not required to take them now and they're not a prerequisite for anything. Take some real classes.

Take a business, engineering, natural science, and liberal art class. Throw in a foreign language class if you want. That's at least 12 credits.

Pretty sure that is over 20 credit hours... I have already taken an engineering class and I failed that. (I don't really care to retake it) I don't really want to be an engineer anyway. It's just math problems all day.

Do you care to ever have a relationship one day? A kid?
Think of it like this. What the hell are you going to do to make sure you can always provide for your family?
Care about preserving a family name at all? How are you going to do that sitting there doing nothing, in which in essence, is shaming your family?

That's how I look at life. It's a personal thing. It helps that my family name, and direct lineage, goes back to one of the Founding Fathers. I desire to keep that name pegged in history, and to get my name remembered just as well.

Drive doesn't necessarily have to be to go out and do some kind of job, at least not as the priority of that drive. All that will do will be to lead to headaches, stress, and a lack of fulfillment. You have to have something else that is driving you, and a career follows suit.

Ultimately, a drive should have a goal attached, well specifically, multiple goals, but the chief goal should always remain somewhat out of reach.
Other than getting my name remembered, of which isn't really a huge priority, but something that keeps me going... my main goal in life, at this point in time, is to establish a secure life, have a family, and ultimately, have a male child and prep him for life. I want my branch of my family name to continue, and sadly... I am the only part of my family bearing the family name that can keep the name going - only male child, and my dad was the only male child too. So I've kind of stressed that importance in my own life, so that goal won't be as intense for everyone.

But the goal for everyone in life, shouldn't be to lead a good life to get to heaven, rather, it should be lead an excellent life to reach immortality. Immortality not in the sense of living forever, but in the sense of the name lives forever. That's a damn good starting point to get this world back on track to success imho, if everyone is concerned about getting their name remembered fondly.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Ever think about CS, ECE, or EE?

I was originally on that track until I realized I didn't want to do that.

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I would get a job if I could... I would take more classes if I had any interest in a career of some kind...

But I happen to not be interested in almost any career and I can't get a job due to lack of references, a nice resume(which requires references), and no previous job experience.

Everyone wants to hire someone who has never done work before... Right?

How much time have you spent actively looking?

How many places have you applied?

For what? A computer repair job? None.. I don't have any references for it or the job experience.

Same can be said for just about any job for me though... I don't have a resume, so I just applied online/asked for an application in store and was told to go online... I did that for like 15 places or something and just gave up because I don't have any references.

Seriously... NO REFERENCES=NO JOB.

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i like math and science and i want to understand the world around me. the most (practical) fundamental level of objects is the material level organized from the nano/micro scale on up (physics is too impractical). from there, we go into making objects and tools with mechanical engineering.

thus, i really do enjoy materials engineering because i get to learn about making steel, aluminum, plastics, ceramics, etc, and my second interest is mechanical engineering, since that is used to create tools and machines. i kinda wish i were doing a double BS, but oh well

Again, I am not interested in a job where I crunch fucking numbers all day. That's extremely boring to me.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Ever think about CS, ECE, or EE?

I was originally on that track until I realized I didn't want to do that.

Why not? If you like computers, those are 4 areas that are directly related.

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I would get a job if I could... I would take more classes if I had any interest in a career of some kind...

But I happen to not be interested in almost any career and I can't get a job due to lack of references, a nice resume(which requires references), and no previous job experience.

Everyone wants to hire someone who has never done work before... Right?

How much time have you spent actively looking?

How many places have you applied?

For what? A computer repair job? None.. I don't have any references for it or the job experience.

Same can be said for just about any job for me though... I don't have a resume, so I just applied online/asked for an application in store and was told to go online... I did that for like 15 places or something and just gave up because I don't have any references.

Seriously... NO REFERENCES=NO JOB.

When I first got a job, my references were family friends, pastor, teachers, or just about anyone would say I was a half way decent person.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: someone

Do you care to ever have a relationship one day? A kid?
Think of it like this. What the hell are you going to do to make sure you can always provide for your family?
Care about preserving a family name at all? How are you going to do that sitting there doing nothing, in which in essence, is shaming your family?

That's how I look at life. It's a personal thing. It helps that my family name, and direct lineage, goes back to one of the Founding Fathers. I desire to keep that name pegged in history, and to get my name remembered just as well.

Drive doesn't necessarily have to be to go out and do some kind of job, at least not as the priority of that drive. All that will do will be to lead to headaches, stress, and a lack of fulfillment. You have to have something else that is driving you, and a career follows suit.

Ultimately, a drive should have a goal attached, well specifically, multiple goals, but the chief goal should always remain somewhat out of reach.
Other than getting my name remembered, of which isn't really a huge priority, but something that keeps me going... my main goal in life, at this point in time, is to establish a secure life, have a family, and ultimately, have a male child and prep him for life. I want my branch of my family name to continue, and sadly... I am the only part of my family bearing the family name that can keep the name going - only male child, and my dad was the only male child too. So I've kind of stressed that importance in my own life, so that goal won't be as intense for everyone.

But the goal for everyone in life, shouldn't be to lead a good life to get to heaven, rather, it should be lead an excellent life to reach immortality. Immortality not in the sense of living forever, but in the sense of the name lives forever. That's a damn good starting point to get this world back on track to success imho, if everyone is concerned about getting their name remembered fondly.

I've lived all my life alone. I am pretty sure once the hormones actually cool down then I will be completely able to deal with loneliness.

There is nothing to live up to in my family.

Your views go against some of what I believe.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Again, I am not interested in a job where I crunch fucking numbers all day. That's extremely boring to me.

who said you had to crunch numbers? many engineerings include very fundamental science/lab work.

with respect to materials engineering, someone has to make new materials, so there's plenty of hands on lab work to be done.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Ever think about CS, ECE, or EE?

I was originally on that track until I realized I didn't want to do that.

Why not? If you like computers, those are 4 areas that are directly related.

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I would get a job if I could... I would take more classes if I had any interest in a career of some kind...

But I happen to not be interested in almost any career and I can't get a job due to lack of references, a nice resume(which requires references), and no previous job experience.

Everyone wants to hire someone who has never done work before... Right?

How much time have you spent actively looking?

How many places have you applied?

For what? A computer repair job? None.. I don't have any references for it or the job experience.

Same can be said for just about any job for me though... I don't have a resume, so I just applied online/asked for an application in store and was told to go online... I did that for like 15 places or something and just gave up because I don't have any references.

Seriously... NO REFERENCES=NO JOB.

When I first got a job, my references were family friends, pastor, teachers, or just about anyone would say I was a half way decent person.

They are directly related to assloads of mathematics.(Or assloads of boring code) I did fine in Calculus, but I really don't enjoy doing math for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

I have nothing, seriously. I have no family friends(my parents don't have friends), teachers, and I don't believe in god... so obviously not a pastor... So, no.. I really-really-really do not have anyone who could say, "Yeah, he's a decent guy."

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Pretty sure that is over 20 credit hours... I have already taken an engineering class and I failed that. (I don't really care to retake it) I don't really want to be an engineer anyway. It's just math problems all day.

Depends what kind of engineering you do.
There will be some math, but depending on where you work, there'll be more or less of it.

Thus far where I work, I've done some low-level electronic design, followed by programming a PIC chip. (I went for mechanical engineering, go figure.) But it's interesting, and I figure that being a mechanical engineer who can also program and design electronic circuits would make me fairly valuable to any company.
But this company I'm with right now, well, it's just a very pleasant place to work, and I couldn't see myself wanting to go anywhere else.

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I would get a job if I could... I would take more classes if I had any interest in a career of some kind...

But I happen to not be interested in almost any career and I can't get a job due to lack of references, a nice resume(which requires references), and no previous job experience.

Everyone wants to hire someone who has never done work before... Right?

Then take your gen-ed courses, get those done with.

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen
What do you like about computers?

Fixing them, modifying them and tinkering with them... Learning about them, I suppose...

I mean, really... There is not a job in that except maybe at computer repair shop, and that will require lots of references.. I doubt the pay is halfway decent either.

Sounds like some kind of engineering might be up your ally then, based on what I've been doing thus far. Or maybe go to a tech school for an associate's degree.

Things I've done at this job thus far:
- Tinker with an old welding robot. I got it to come to life 3 times, and then it really stopped working one morning. I suspect a cracked solder joint somewhere, but I lack technical schematics. But the owner wants it working, so, well, I'll do what I can. He seems more interested that I learn something from the experience.

- Work on old electronic devices, usually servomotor-controlled systems, or old welders. I can't say I'm too good with schematics yet, as in, I can't look at a schematic and say, "Ok, I know exactly what this will do!" But I can do simple troubleshooting, sufficient to repair some old but useful equipment.

- Try to use point-source LEDs into uniformly light up a large area. I've got a design in mind, but I have to figure out how to manufacture it cheaply.

- Design a GPS-controlled clock module, based on an older design which had some intermittent issues.

- Next task: Design a testing apparatus to tease out a software problem in something in the "research" department of the company.


Thus far, not much of it is loads of math problems - it's more conceptual design stuff, followed by building a prototype and testing it. It may not be a typical "engineering job," but I don't know what else is really out there.
Maybe try contacting companies in the area to see if they offer internships, or maybe some kind of "shadowing" thing where you could spend time with one of their engineers to see if it's something you might want to do. Maybe check out electronics or mechanical engineering, or perhaps something on a technician level, that'd most likely be more hands-on.

Or else stay here and continue entertaining us.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Again, I am not interested in a job where I crunch fucking numbers all day. That's extremely boring to me.

who said you had to crunch numbers? many engineerings include very fundamental science/lab work.

with respect to materials engineering, someone has to make new materials, so there's plenty of hands on lab work to be done.

materials engineering is pretty cool shit. there are some guys making missile casings where i work that are like plastic bands woven together then hardened in the oven i think. that stuff was amazing light and strong.

 

[IEC]

Man up kid. Whining about 8 hours at a community college makes you a lazy bastard.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Ever think about CS, ECE, or EE?

I was originally on that track until I realized I didn't want to do that.

Why not? If you like computers, those are 4 areas that are directly related.

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I would get a job if I could... I would take more classes if I had any interest in a career of some kind...

But I happen to not be interested in almost any career and I can't get a job due to lack of references, a nice resume(which requires references), and no previous job experience.

Everyone wants to hire someone who has never done work before... Right?

How much time have you spent actively looking?

How many places have you applied?

For what? A computer repair job? None.. I don't have any references for it or the job experience.

Same can be said for just about any job for me though... I don't have a resume, so I just applied online/asked for an application in store and was told to go online... I did that for like 15 places or something and just gave up because I don't have any references.

Seriously... NO REFERENCES=NO JOB.

When I first got a job, my references were family friends, pastor, teachers, or just about anyone would say I was a half way decent person.

They are directly related to assloads of mathematics.(Or assloads of boring code) I did fine in Calculus, but I really don't enjoy doing math for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

I have nothing, seriously. I have no family friends(my parents don't have friends), teachers, and I don't believe in god... so obviously not a pastor... So, no.. I really-really-really do not have anyone who could say, "Yeah, he's a decent guy."

This is your problem man, you just fucking make excuses all the time. Listen your first job might not be glamorous, if you have to go work at McDonalds for a few months or something. Show up on time and work hard, and I'm sure there will be employees and managers who are willing to put in a good word for you. Everyone has to start somewhere, but nothing is going to happen if you just sit on your ass and complain.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
They are directly related to assloads of mathematics.(Or assloads of boring code) I did fine in Calculus, but I really don't enjoy doing math for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

I have nothing, seriously. I have no family friends(my parents don't have friends), teachers, and I don't believe in god... so obviously not a pastor... So, no.. I really-really-really do not have anyone who could say, "Yeah, he's a decent guy."

MIS requires 1 business calculus and maybe 4 or 5 CS classes, and those are extremely easy.

If you don't have any references, get some. Get a job cutting grass or cleaning bathrooms. Do a fucking good job and always be reliable. Do your job at 100%, even if it's shitty and you hate it. If you do these things, I guarantee that you'll have a great reference.

And employers value reliability and willingness to learn over raw skill. You can teach someone how to do a job, but you can't teach them to be reliable and have a passion for doing a good job.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
They are directly related to assloads of mathematics.(Or assloads of boring code) I did fine in Calculus, but I really don't enjoy doing math for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

I have nothing, seriously. I have no family friends(my parents don't have friends), teachers, and I don't believe in god... so obviously not a pastor... So, no.. I really-really-really do not have anyone who could say, "Yeah, he's a decent guy."

MIS requires 1 business calculus and maybe 4 or 5 CS classes, and those are extremely easy.

If you don't have any references, get some. Get a job cutting grass or cleaning bathrooms. Do a fucking good job and always be reliable. Do your job at 100%, even if it's shitty and you hate it. If you do these things, I guarantee that you'll have a great reference.

And employers value reliability and willingness to learn over raw skill. You can teach someone how to do a job, but you can't teach them to be reliable and have a passion for doing a good job.

Even McDonalds wants references. If they didn't.. I would have gotten a phone call.

 

[frostedflakes]

McD's and a lot of places like that may ask for references, but they probably rarely check them. It's not hard to get a job in fast food or at a nice restaurant washing dishes or bussing tables, so keep trying.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Why do you HAVE TO do something? That's what I don't understand.

they moved out of mom and dad's place?

unless you have a trust fund kicking bucks to you, you're going to need to work to have a decent living....

Now to me decent is quite a few thousand bucks coming in a month...to some a few hun-red and selling product is equal...

I live legally.

 

[caspur]

I agree with the McDonalds thing....even they aren't hiring. I applied at several Mcdonalds here in town for part-time work and I haven't got any responses. And I used to work for Shopncheck!!! I've even tried the various Burger King/Wendys/Taco Bells. Nothing. Next up is Walmart, office supply, and other retail jobs. There ain't no shame to my game.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
They are directly related to assloads of mathematics.(Or assloads of boring code) I did fine in Calculus, but I really don't enjoy doing math for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

I have nothing, seriously. I have no family friends(my parents don't have friends), teachers, and I don't believe in god... so obviously not a pastor... So, no.. I really-really-really do not have anyone who could say, "Yeah, he's a decent guy."

MIS requires 1 business calculus and maybe 4 or 5 CS classes, and those are extremely easy.

If you don't have any references, get some. Get a job cutting grass or cleaning bathrooms. Do a fucking good job and always be reliable. Do your job at 100%, even if it's shitty and you hate it. If you do these things, I guarantee that you'll have a great reference.

And employers value reliability and willingness to learn over raw skill. You can teach someone how to do a job, but you can't teach them to be reliable and have a passion for doing a good job.

Even McDonalds wants references. If they didn't.. I would have gotten a phone call.

use neighbors, teachers, etc. as references.

my first job (only 2 months during the summer) was at Target as a cashier.