Question for all you driven people

[440sixpack]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

And employers value reliability and willingness to learn over raw skill. You can teach someone how to do a job, but you can't teach them to be reliable and have a passion for doing a good job.

As a business owner, I completely agree with this.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
How old are you?

18. Born August 28, 1990

Are you college? If so, enjoy your time there. Take a variety of courses, join some clubs. Don't worry about figuring out your entire life.

I hate college. I don't know what I want to do as a job. (Fixing computers is about closest related hobby I have that could be a job) We don't have as many courses or clubs as other schools. This is a CC, it's not a university.

You hate college? You aren't AT college, you're at a community college. Focus on getting yourself into a four-year school. Apply for scholarships, talk to deans... this stuff isn't rocket science. Find SOMETHING you like to study (I was a history major) and go with it. Maybe your chosen major will lead to a job, maybe it won't, but you're going to kill yourself (metaphorically) if you keep trying to look at life as a whole.

Here's a hint. Life is too complicated to deal with all at once, particularly when you're 18. Yes, there is good in asking questions like "what am I doing here" or "what is my purpose" but you cannot let those questions consume you at such a young age. Things are changing for you faster than you can imagine. In five years you won't even recognize yourself as you stand in the mirror today.

Put your head down, find a major that sounds enjoyable, get into a good school and roll with it.

Also, I still think counseling will do you a world of good.

 

[BeauJangles]

Okay I just read your sob story about finding a job... this is pathetic.

If you WANT to work, then you will find a job. It's that simple. If you don't want to work, then you better figure out why the fuck not and deal with it.

If you don't have references, then you need to fucking put some effort in. Find your local Home Depot. Are they hiring? If yes, great! Go down there and ask to speak directly to the manager. Talk him up, tell him why you'd be great for a job there and SHOW him that you want the damned thing. He's going to tell you to fill out an app regardless of what he thinks, but make him remember you. Get him interested in YOU as an employee. References don't mean shit in the retail world because often places hire the first chump who walks through the door that looks halfway capable... if that's you, you get the job!

Even if you hate that job bust your fucking balls. Make yourself a great employee because, guess what, THAT job becomes your next reference.

You have to get straight with yourself. Stop making excuses and either say, "I want a job and I'll do whatever it takes to get one" or "I don't want a job and I'm not willing to do what it takes right now to get one." There is no gray area here.

 

[TridenT]

Geek Squad In-Store Computer /Electronics Technician Job

I just applied for that shitty job online. One reference I put in and that was my mathematics teacher in HS. He's pretty cool though and would preach about how good I am at math and computers... Excellent problem solving skills are indeed needed in this job

Anyway... I should probably go into the actual store and say, "Hey, did you get my job application from online? Yeah, I am really interested in that job. I am really-blah-blah-blah-blah."

Yes or no?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Geek Squad In-Store Computer /Electronics Technician Job

I just applied for that shitty job online. One reference I put in and that was my mathematics teacher in HS. He's pretty cool though and would preach about how good I am at math and computers... Excellent problem solving skills are indeed needed in this job

Anyway... I should probably go into the actual store and say, "Hey, did you get my job application from online? Yeah, I am really interested in that job. I am really-blah-blah-blah-blah."

Yes or no?

can't hurt.

goddamn time warps. they're getting worse and worse.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Geek Squad In-Store Computer /Electronics Technician Job

I just applied for that shitty job online. One reference I put in and that was my mathematics teacher in HS. He's pretty cool though and would preach about how good I am at math and computers... Excellent problem solving skills are indeed needed in this job

Anyway... I should probably go into the actual store and say, "Hey, did you get my job application from online? Yeah, I am really interested in that job. I am really-blah-blah-blah-blah."

Yes or no?

That is exactly what you should do. Employers hire people who show that they want the job. I've been terrible at jobs, but employers kept paying me and giving me more chances because I was so persistent.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: destrekor

Do you care to ever have a relationship one day? A kid?
Think of it like this. What the hell are you going to do to make sure you can always provide for your family?
Care about preserving a family name at all? How are you going to do that sitting there doing nothing, in which in essence, is shaming your family?

That's how I look at life. It's a personal thing. It helps that my family name, and direct lineage, goes back to one of the Founding Fathers. I desire to keep that name pegged in history, and to get my name remembered just as well.

Drive doesn't necessarily have to be to go out and do some kind of job, at least not as the priority of that drive. All that will do will be to lead to headaches, stress, and a lack of fulfillment. You have to have something else that is driving you, and a career follows suit.

Ultimately, a drive should have a goal attached, well specifically, multiple goals, but the chief goal should always remain somewhat out of reach.
Other than getting my name remembered, of which isn't really a huge priority, but something that keeps me going... my main goal in life, at this point in time, is to establish a secure life, have a family, and ultimately, have a male child and prep him for life. I want my branch of my family name to continue, and sadly... I am the only part of my family bearing the family name that can keep the name going - only male child, and my dad was the only male child too. So I've kind of stressed that importance in my own life, so that goal won't be as intense for everyone.

But the goal for everyone in life, shouldn't be to lead a good life to get to heaven, rather, it should be lead an excellent life to reach immortality. Immortality not in the sense of living forever, but in the sense of the name lives forever. That's a damn good starting point to get this world back on track to success imho, if everyone is concerned about getting their name remembered fondly.

I've lived all my life alone. I am pretty sure once the hormones actually cool down then I will be completely able to deal with loneliness.

There is nothing to live up to in my family.

Your views go against some of what I believe.

While I will agree that not everyone is going to have beliefs in line with mine, your lack of addressing your own beliefs may be what is a fault here. I will never understand the desire of someone to desire loneliness. It just doesn't make sense, and no amount of reasoning will ever correct that confusion in my mind, because flat out it is wrong. There may be mental reasons, but the concern here, is that its not natural. But whatever, everyone has the right to live life the way they see fit, as long as it doesn't interfere with that right of others.

However, your "beliefs", if they are in stark contrast to those of mine quoted, may be the reason you have such a lack of ambition and drive. Do you desire to always have that lack of ambition?

I won't deny it, many times I too have a lack of ambition, mainly because sometimes I let myself just feel lost with no direction to chart out that ambition. For some reasons, entirely correctable on my own accord, I might be slightly depressed. I'll attribute it to a lack of relationship at this point, as my goals in life are deeply paired with having a family of my own.

You've come here questioning how people have ambition and are driven. I feel that is some kind of request to seek help in determining why you lack such ambition, whether you care to admit it or not. You'll want to be stubborn and never change your attitudes on life because you feel comfortable, and I can admit I am equally as stubborn. However, as life marches on and as you find yourself no longer comfortable, as you won't even be able to just ride along with society, you're going to be in for a rude awakening, that maybe you are in need of some correction to that stubbornness. Without even the most minimal drive, you're not going to be able to find yourself securing a decent living as, with your current mood, you're not going to care, and as soon as any imagined security gets shaken up, maybe you'll correct some faults, or fall by the wayside.
The question is: how long will you accept requiring the aid of your parents?

(note: yes I fixed the lack of correctly identifying myself as the author of that quoted post)

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Geek Squad In-Store Computer /Electronics Technician Job

I just applied for that shitty job online. One reference I put in and that was my mathematics teacher in HS. He's pretty cool though and would preach about how good I am at math and computers... Excellent problem solving skills are indeed needed in this job

Anyway... I should probably go into the actual store and say, "Hey, did you get my job application from online? Yeah, I am really interested in that job. I am really-blah-blah-blah-blah."

Yes or no?

That is exactly what you should do. Employers hire people who show that they want the job. I've been terrible at jobs, but employers kept paying me and giving me more chances because I was so persistent.

Alright. It would be nice if I knew what store it was though. It doesn't say the actual address. It said like, "Mill Plain, Store 1062"

I hope there is no other bestbuys on mill plain than the one I know of..

Looked on Google maps and pretty sure I know which one it is. It's the one closest to me Win.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: destrekor

Do you care to ever have a relationship one day? A kid?
Think of it like this. What the hell are you going to do to make sure you can always provide for your family?
Care about preserving a family name at all? How are you going to do that sitting there doing nothing, in which in essence, is shaming your family?

That's how I look at life. It's a personal thing. It helps that my family name, and direct lineage, goes back to one of the Founding Fathers. I desire to keep that name pegged in history, and to get my name remembered just as well.

Drive doesn't necessarily have to be to go out and do some kind of job, at least not as the priority of that drive. All that will do will be to lead to headaches, stress, and a lack of fulfillment. You have to have something else that is driving you, and a career follows suit.

Ultimately, a drive should have a goal attached, well specifically, multiple goals, but the chief goal should always remain somewhat out of reach.
Other than getting my name remembered, of which isn't really a huge priority, but something that keeps me going... my main goal in life, at this point in time, is to establish a secure life, have a family, and ultimately, have a male child and prep him for life. I want my branch of my family name to continue, and sadly... I am the only part of my family bearing the family name that can keep the name going - only male child, and my dad was the only male child too. So I've kind of stressed that importance in my own life, so that goal won't be as intense for everyone.

But the goal for everyone in life, shouldn't be to lead a good life to get to heaven, rather, it should be lead an excellent life to reach immortality. Immortality not in the sense of living forever, but in the sense of the name lives forever. That's a damn good starting point to get this world back on track to success imho, if everyone is concerned about getting their name remembered fondly.

I've lived all my life alone. I am pretty sure once the hormones actually cool down then I will be completely able to deal with loneliness.

There is nothing to live up to in my family.

Your views go against some of what I believe.

While I will agree that not everyone is going to have beliefs in line with mine, your lack of addressing your own beliefs may be what is a fault here. I will never understand the desire of someone to desire loneliness. It just doesn't make sense, and no amount of reasoning will ever correct that confusion in my mind, because flat out it is wrong. There may be mental reasons, but the concern here, is that its not natural. But whatever, everyone has the right to live life the way they see fit, as long as it doesn't interfere with that right of others.

However, your "beliefs", if they are in stark contrast to those of mine quoted, may be the reason you have such a lack of ambition and drive. Do you desire to always have that lack of ambition?

I won't deny it, many times I too have a lack of ambition, mainly because sometimes I let myself just feel lost with no direction to chart out that ambition. For some reasons, entirely correctable on my own accord, I might be slightly depressed. I'll attribute it to a lack of relationship at this point, as my goals in life are deeply paired with having a family of my own.

You've come here questioning how people have ambition and are driven. I feel that is some kind of request to seek help in determining why you lack such ambition, whether you care to admit it or not. You'll want to be stubborn and never change your attitudes on life because you feel comfortable, and I can admit I am equally as stubborn. However, as life marches on and as you find yourself no longer comfortable, as you won't even be able to just ride along with society, you're going to be in for a rude awakening, that maybe you are in need of some correction to that stubbornness. Without even the most minimal drive, you're not going to be able to find yourself securing a decent living as, with your current mood, you're not going to care, and as soon as any imagined security gets shaken up, maybe you'll correct some faults, or fall by the wayside.
The question is: how long will you accept requiring the aid of your parents?

(note: yes I fixed the lack of correctly identifying myself as the author of that quoted post)

As long as it takes until I can get out on my own. It's not like I am 26 and still at home with the parents. :-/

I regret filling out that job application now. I am lacking confidence in my technological expertise even though earlier I was extremely confident in it. Maybe realizations are coming about, idk.

It doesn't help that I have a stupid paper due by June 3rd that is worth 50% of my grade either. That paper is going to be terrible, I just know it. He wrote all over my working draft and I am pretty confident that anything new that I produce will be god awful. I am just a terrible writer. Sigh... I have to crank out a thousand more words on the paper too.

My level of writing skills is probably near that of a middle school twerp.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I regret filling out that job application now. I am lacking confidence in my technological expertise even though earlier I was extremely confident in it. Maybe realizations are coming about, idk.

They probably provide some training if they take in uncertified people. What they'd want is indication of motivation and integrity. Every job is a job btw, and as long as it pays your expenses, it deserves to be treated with respect, and very few jobs are actually more than means to pay the bills, regardless of how nice and high the title sounds, etc.

If you get a call for the job, be positive and enthusiastic, and forget about your perceptions of limitations. If they hire you based on an honest application and interview, they should know what they're getting, and it's their responsibility to teach you their requirements, not yours to magically gain knowledge and experience you don't have. Honesty = being worthy of trust = earning references and not needing to hear references from other random strangers. I'm not sure why you're emphasizing references. I've hired many people, interviewing them myself in detail, and I generally didn't need to care to hear third-party opinions about them, and the people I prepped for references for my current job never got a call either.

I'm not disputing your claim that references are apparently important for you. I'm wondering why, and wondering if you're presenting yourself in a doubtful manner which in turn brings up the question of references. Maybe it's just a side-effect of the types of jobs and level of experience. Again, don't get hung up on it. A teacher's a good reference and many of your peers are in the same boat.

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
It doesn't help that I have a stupid paper due by June 3rd that is worth 50% of my grade either. That paper is going to be terrible, I just know it. He wrote all over my working draft and I am pretty confident that anything new that I produce will be god awful. I am just a terrible writer. Sigh... I have to crank out a thousand more words on the paper too.

My level of writing skills is probably near that of a middle school twerp.

I've seen a lot worse, and a lot worse in my friends who were going through college at the time. Without analyzing at the level of a college teacher, I don't see any great problems with your ability to express yourself, or in the ability to form and hold an opinion. You've also shown some character and integrity in the face of opposition. I suspect that you need to work most on the motivation, and the ideas you're supposed to be thinking and writing about, not on the periphery such as attitudes regarding yourself, etc.

Cheers.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I regret filling out that job application now. I am lacking confidence in my technological expertise even though earlier I was extremely confident in it. Maybe realizations are coming about, idk.

They probably provide some training if they take in uncertified people. What they'd want is indication of motivation and integrity. Every job is a job btw, and as long as it pays your expenses, it deserves to be treated with respect, and very few jobs are actually more than means to pay the bills, regardless of how nice and high the title sounds, etc.

If you get a call for the job, be positive and enthusiastic, and forget about your perceptions of limitations. If they hire you based on an honest application and interview, they should know what they're getting, and it's their responsibility to teach you their requirements, not yours to magically gain knowledge and experience you don't have. Honesty = being worthy of trust = earning references and not needing to hear references from other random strangers. I'm not sure why you're emphasizing references. I've hired many people, interviewing them myself in detail, and I generally didn't need to care to hear third-party opinions about them, and the people I prepped for references for my current job never got a call either.

I'm not disputing your claim that references are apparently important for you. I'm wondering why, and wondering if you're presenting yourself in a doubtful manner which in turn brings up the question of references. Maybe it's just a side-effect of the types of jobs and level of experience. Again, don't get hung up on it. A teacher's a good reference and many of your peers are in the same boat.

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
It doesn't help that I have a stupid paper due by June 3rd that is worth 50% of my grade either. That paper is going to be terrible, I just know it. He wrote all over my working draft and I am pretty confident that anything new that I produce will be god awful. I am just a terrible writer. Sigh... I have to crank out a thousand more words on the paper too.

My level of writing skills is probably near that of a middle school twerp.

I've seen a lot worse, and a lot worse in my friends who were going through college at the time. Without analyzing at the level of a college teacher, I don't see any great problems with your ability to express yourself, or in the ability to form and hold an opinion. You've also shown some character and integrity in the face of opposition. I suspect that you need to work most on the motivation, and the ideas you're supposed to be thinking and writing about, not on the periphery such as attitudes regarding yourself, etc.

Cheers.

Yeah, I'll try to be enthusiastic and positive about it. I am pretty sure I am decently qualified for this job.

Yeah, I know some people have it way worse than I do. (One of my friends is an English major and has like these kinds of papers due in all his classes all the times... But he's an English major. ) Yeah, it's really hard to get me motivated to do it. I just get all afraid that I won't be able to get it done or I'll just write a terrible paper that I don't even start. That's how I feel right now anyway. I am hoping that tomorrow, when I stay after school(I hope I do), that I actually get some of my work done. (I have these notes things I have to do on sources and then I have to write the paper too)

It's not very pleasing this whole experience. I used to not stress this badly about anything...

 

[SilentZero]

Money and possessions at first...now providing for my family is included.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Leros
I enjoy the satisfaction of doing something cool.

engineers arent doing cool stuff... :laugh:


i design and implement scada control systems. every project is different, while using the same basic theories and software packages. i applied myself so i could do my job well, and be a good resource for others in my company.


that said, id still rather win lotto and sit on my ass, but at some point id have to go back to work to kill the boredom. i like my job enough that id still work it, even if i did win millions in the lotto.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: RKS
I don't want my kids to ever be deprived of anything that they need. I want to be a proper role model and not leave it to an athlete. No one else has volunteered to pay for my wife's SUV, lattes, cell phone, or car insurance. I want to hit my mid-life crisis in style.

My job is a lot easier and shit-ton more fun than going to school. I actually enjoy talking to people and trying to resolve problems, and if the orther party starts freaking out, it's a bonus.
During easy weeks I work 9-5 (at the most) and take as long a lunch as I want. When I need to prepare, I may work late and on weekends (very rare). Most people in the office work between 35-40 hours.
I am home every evening so I can play with my kids, read to them at bedtime, tuck them in, and still have time to go to the gym at least a few times a week.

What kind of law are you in?

 

[mxyzptlk]

yea, I don't really care much about anything. I don't have ambitions, I don't want to be successful. My problem is an inability to plan for more than like.. 2 hours ahead at a time. For me, the future is so uncertain.. there's no point in laying out huge sacrifices today for future gains that probably wont ever be realized. My personal philosophy is to just let shit happen the way they it meant to happen. Find something to enjoy today, rather than worry about tomorrow.

Hasn't failed me yet.

edit: and even if it did, I'd just see it as an affirmation of my philosophy that Shit Happens. Nothing I could've done about it anyway.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
yea, I don't really care much about anything. I don't have ambitions, I don't want to be successful. My problem is an inability to plan for more than like.. 2 hours ahead at a time. For me, the future is so uncertain.. there's no point in laying out huge sacrifices today for future gains that probably wont ever be realized. My personal philosophy is to just let shit happen the way they it meant to happen. Find something to enjoy today, rather than worry about tomorrow.

Hasn't failed me yet.

edit: and even if it did, I'd just see it as an affirmation of my philosophy that Shit Happens. Nothing I could've done about it anyway.

What? I'm confused...

I wish normal pepsi didn't make me sick. I did a stupid thing and drank pepsi and then ate some double-stuffed Oreos. I am such a moron. This makes me really-really-really sick.

Wish I had yummy food here... I love subway and that stuff is semi-healthy. (The bread and the meat ain't probably... Although I load mine up with Spinach and onions and other stuff)