Question for atheists

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: racolvin
I can't see how you would be "proving" that he is the son of god. However, if I were to stipulate that for the sake of discussion I still would not be "worshiping" him in the highest until after its proven that there aren't any equally impressive beings out there that other folks call "god" that compete with him, since Christianity isn't exactly the only "god" being worshipped out there in the world.

Maury. Paternity test.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Im an athiest. If that happened though, I'd be a believer.

Show me evidence and hard facts, and I'll believe you. Theory and suggestions dont hold much weight in my world.

you should watch "the priveledged planet"

It's scientists discussing the probability of another earth in the universe. They don't really get into creation/evolution debates, more or less the argument about how things look "setup" for humans to enjoy "scientific discovery"

doesn't mention god at all. Just facts about how rare earth really is.

.com site

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: racolvin
I can't see how you would be "proving" that he is the son of god. However, if I were to stipulate that for the sake of discussion I still would not be "worshiping" him in the highest until after its proven that there aren't any equally impressive beings out there that other folks call "god" that compete with him, since Christianity isn't exactly the only "god" being worshipped out there in the world.

Maury. Paternity test.

Care to tell me where you will find God's sperm/DNA?

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: racolvin
I can't see how you would be "proving" that he is the son of god. However, if I were to stipulate that for the sake of discussion I still would not be "worshiping" him in the highest until after its proven that there aren't any equally impressive beings out there that other folks call "god" that compete with him, since Christianity isn't exactly the only "god" being worshipped out there in the world.

Maury. Paternity test.

Maury says...

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: racolvin
I can't see how you would be "proving" that he is the son of god. However, if I were to stipulate that for the sake of discussion I still would not be "worshiping" him in the highest until after its proven that there aren't any equally impressive beings out there that other folks call "god" that compete with him, since Christianity isn't exactly the only "god" being worshipped out there in the world.

Maury. Paternity test.

Care to tell me where you will find God's sperm/DNA?

God is an extradimensional being woven throughout our existence. It's a an ever growing collective conciousness that is linked to our conciousness. I think...

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
This is not a parody thread. It is a legitimate question posed by me, inspired by that other thread. This is absolutely serious, not a joke.

Let's say that Jesus comes back to our Earth tomorrow, and that there is zero doubt that it is really the Son of God. What would atheists say about this event? Would they accept there is a God, or would they come up with weird quantum fluctuation explanations for such an event?

Read The Grand Inquisitor.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: moshquerade
"intelligent, respectful atheists"

i'm trying to fathom this. some are intelligent, most i've encountered here aren't respectful.

the same could be said for the christians here.

bs. most christians are respectful and loving. If not, they aren't christians.

bs. most atheists are respectful and loving. If not, they aren't atheists.

I didn't say that. Most of my best friends are atheists, and they are great people. I was saying that if someone didn't act with kindness and respect, they wouldn't be acting like a christian.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Maury. Paternity test.

Care to tell me where you will find God's sperm/DNA?

Ain't my problem, it's Maury's.

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Maury. Paternity test.

Care to tell me where you will find God's sperm/DNA?

God is an extradimensional being woven throughout our existence. It's a an ever growing collective conciousness that is linked to our conciousness. I think...

So....God's sperm is everywhere then? Geez, that reminds me of a video I saw sometime.......oh, Japan, is there anything you won't cover a woman with?

 

[Demon-Xanth]

If it was beyond doubt, I'd ask for a REAL explanation of what is right. Get that murky book cleared up

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
This is not a parody thread. It is a legitimate question posed by me, inspired by that other thread. This is absolutely serious, not a joke.

Let's say that Jesus comes back to our Earth tomorrow, and that there is zero doubt that it is really the Son of God. What would atheists say about this event? Would they accept there is a God, or would they come up with weird quantum fluctuation explanations for such an event?

Of course we'd accept it, miracles would make me believe in a second, too bad it'll never happen.

 

[Liquidfluidity]

Not to change your thread on you but here's a question that usually stumps most religious believers - If aliens landed tomorrow , would you still believe in God? I have always stated that if there's one there's the other(God/Satan) so I guess if there was undeniable truth , I would definitely become a convert and start repenting. Me and the wife have discussions about religion and why we think what we do. It's amazing how fast these types of discussions can stir up a heated argument even in the strongest relationships!

 

[darkxshade]

Let's say that Jesus comes back to our Earth tomorrow, and that there is zero doubt that it is really the Son of God.

Just think of the implications of this... all of the worlds criminals would now know there is a God and through fear decide to genuinely ask for forgiveness and be spared a trip to hell. That is unless of course the Christians here don't think they can't be saved regardless of their new found faith in God.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: moshquerade
"intelligent, respectful atheists"

i'm trying to fathom this. some are intelligent, most i've encountered here aren't respectful.

the same could be said for the christians here.

maybe. i don't see it that way though.

Confirmation bias, my friend. You see what you want to see.

This is an internet forum and EVERYONE is more of a jackass than they are in real life.

I'd like to think I'm no more or less of a jackass here than IRL.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: moshquerade
"intelligent, respectful atheists"

i'm trying to fathom this. some are intelligent, most i've encountered here aren't respectful.

Most atheists are either rebelling kids or are angrily exorcising themselves of religious indoctrination.

No. Most of us are educated and open-minded. Rather than brainlessly believing whatever our parents believed because their parents believed it and their parents before them believed it ad infinitum we've questioned, we've asked for evidence to support the beliefs, we've learned where the fairy tales came from, we discovered which fairy tales they're based on and we've chosen the logical, sensible and practical alternative. What we are is openly scornful of braindead zombies who believe in a book because the book tells them to believe in it.

Any person is allowed to believe in unicorns, dragons, elves, pixies, ghosts, sea monsters or invisible men in the sky. As long as they remain quiet about those misguided fairy tales I'll leave them alone and they can have their delusions in peace. But the minute they force those delusions on me and start questioning why I don't share those delusions is the minute I start to ridicule them.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: moshquerade
"intelligent, respectful atheists"

i'm trying to fathom this. some are intelligent, most i've encountered here aren't respectful.

the same could be said for the christians here.

maybe. i don't see it that way though.

Confirmation bias, my friend. You see what you want to see.

This is an internet forum and EVERYONE is more of a jackass than they are in real life.

I'd like to think I'm no more or less of a jackass here than IRL.

I agree with you. I guess that's a good thing.

 

[torpid]

So some guy can perform miracles that according to rigorous scientific tests seem impossible. How are we to go from that to believing in the existence of God? If you took some of our current technology and went back to 1800 BC they would think us to be performing miracles. Even if a supernatural being transported me to an alternate dimension where dead people appear to exist, I would have a hard time accepting the existence of a Christian God since it is so irrational and contradictory. Even if it were extreme and I were seemingly transported back to the day Christ originally died and told in no uncertain terms that I was witnessing an act of God by God himself, who then proceeded to give me miraculous superpowers beyond belief - even then I would have doubts, since the mind is easily tricked and it could all be a hallucination of sorts.

 

[manowar821]

For something to "exist", it has to be able to be destroyed, as well. If it's able to be destroyed, then why is it the "all powerful god"? For Jesus, I'd acknowledge that he's quite a powerful being, but there is no doubt in my mind that (even if he had special super powers) he could be destroyed and in conclusion, I would not worship him. I may decide that he's worthy of my respect and reverence, but I would not bow to him as a god. That's a big "may", too, because he'd have to be an all loving being who wants nothing more than peace and harmony for the human race. Say for example, the hypothetical existence of a being that you would call "god", and that I would call "a really powerful being". I would not worship him, because he is not all powerful, because he is able to be destroyed due to the very fact that he/it exists. Now, Jesus is one thing, he's supposedly hugs and kisses through and through, and I can admire that. However, the so called "god" is a fucking douche-bucket worthy of nothing more than my pure and undying hatred. Also, if god exists, it can be destroyed, and if it's the god you people normally speak of, I will try my best to kill it. Save for Jesus though...

Also, if it exists, then it's real and tangible (I keep saying this because you people just cannot get it through your heads sometimes). If it's real and tangible, it does not require faith because it is FACT. Religion would die, and we would look upon them (god and jesus) as if they were simply higher beings, nothing more.

I live in reality. Anything that is REAL can be destroyed, and any PERSON who is real must EARN respect. Killing, sending Lucifer to hell for killing a rapist angel (completely justified), calling gays "evil" and requiring us to follow an asinine chart of contradicting rules and regulations does not demand respect from me. In fact, I'd do my best to slaughter anyone who tried to pull that shit on us, regardless of if they have super powers or not.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: manowar821
For something to "exist", it has to be able to be destroyed, as well. If it's able to be destroyed, then why is it the "all powerful god"? For Jesus, I'd acknowledge that he's quite a powerful being, but there is no doubt in my mind that (even if he had special super powers) he could be destroyed and in conclusion, I would not worship him.

Even if he couldn't be destroyed, why would that change whether or not you worship him? I do not think any being of any level of destructibility deserves to be worshiped. Obeyed? Perhaps. Listened to as one listens to a wise elder? Probably.

Incidentally, your rant reminds me of Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen. Maybe only because I just read it, though.

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: manowar821
For something to "exist", it has to be able to be destroyed, as well. If it's able to be destroyed, then why is it the "all powerful god"? For Jesus, I'd acknowledge that he's quite a powerful being, but there is no doubt in my mind that (even if he had special super powers) he could be destroyed and in conclusion, I would not worship him. I may decide that he's worthy of my respect and reverence, but I would not bow to him as a god. That's a big "may", too, because he'd have to be an all loving being who wants nothing more than peace and harmony for the human race. Say for example, the hypothetical existence of a being that you would call "god", and that I would call "a really powerful being". I would not worship him, because he is not all powerful, because he is able to be destroyed due to the very fact that he/it exists. Now, Jesus is one thing, he's supposedly hugs and kisses through and through, and I can admire that. However, the so called "god" is a fucking douche-bucket worthy of nothing more than my pure and undying hatred. Also, if god exists, it can be destroyed, and if it's the god you people normally speak of, I will try my best to kill it. Save for Jesus though...

Also, if it exists, then it's real and tangible (I keep saying this because you people just cannot get it through your heads sometimes). If it's real and tangible, it does not require faith because it is FACT. Religion would die, and we would look upon them (god and jesus) as if they were simply higher beings, nothing more.

I live in reality. Anything that is REAL can be destroyed, and any PERSON who is real must EARN respect. Killing, sending Lucifer to hell for killing a rapist angel (completely justified), calling gays "evil" and requiring us to follow an asinine chart of contradicting rules and regulations does not demand respect from me. In fact, I'd do my best to slaughter anyone who tried to pull that shit on us, regardless of if they have super powers or not.

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[Arcadio]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker


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But seriously, why should we attempt to try to understand everything about reality, when the truth is that there are things not meant for us and our weak minds. We are not the gods of the Universe or whatever is outside of it. We can't know everything.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Pacemaker


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But seriously, why should we attempt to try to understand everything about reality, when the truth is that there are things not meant for us and our weak minds. We are not the gods of the Universe or whatever is outside of it. We can't know everything.

"Not meant for us" implies a defined purpose to our existence, when we know of none. How do we know if we can't understand something unless we try? Hundreds of years ago people thought something as mundane as lightening was incomprehensible. I'm sure even our capacity for understanding can be enhanced.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
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Are you REALLY trying to school ME in the subject of physics? Astounding.

By "destroy" I don't mean completely remove it from existence, I mean destroy like how you can "destroy" a building, a person, a planet, a solar system etc...

"Destroy" as in disassembling the subject's structural make up to the point where it is no longer what it once was.

I'm dumbfounded by your assumption of absolute ignorance.

 

[Pacemaker]

"Anything that is REAL can be destroyed"

That was your premise, I gave you an example of something that is real and cannot be destroyed. It is possible that God cannot be destroyed you can only change his form i.e. he could be a being of energy.

By the way, I'm not religious.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
This is not a parody thread. It is a legitimate question posed by me, inspired by that other thread. This is absolutely serious, not a joke.

Let's say that Jesus comes back to our Earth tomorrow, and that there is zero doubt that it is really the Son of God. What would atheists say about this event? Would they accept there is a God, or would they come up with weird quantum fluctuation explanations for such an event?

I'll cross that bridge if it happens.

 

[911paramedic]

Zero doubt? OK, not being religious, what is He here to do?

I don't think Gods want worship, need your money, or would require you to spend entire days in church groveling to them. I would hope a God would take everybody for who they are and accept them, even "fixing" the bad ones. If there were a God, that what I hoped they would be like, non judgemental and accepting, not wanting to damn you to hell for lying about your weight on your drivers license.