Question for PC gamers...

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[Sulaco]

whats wrong with playing a game the way it was intended, without mods?

that way when you talk about the game with your friends, you arent talking about some version only you played. it's about having a common experience with other people this is a huge part of gaming.

you guys keep throwing these little digs in with your posts "i feel bad for you.." etc...

its really pathetic

Do you read the drivel you post? Again, do you not see why you're mocked here?

You're defending any inferior product, and claiming it's actually superior, with logic like "Well, at least you're guaranteed to be playing the same sh*t as your friends, and isn't having something in common a huge part of gaming??"

That's...crap. If you feel that way...I mean...more power to you. Use turds as deodorant and claim you smell fresh. It's a free country.
But that doesn't fly with the majority of thinking adults. So don't be surprised when you pass that logic off as bulletproof but then get called on it.

The simple fact remains that the PC version of Skyrim is inarguably the superior version, if for nothing other than it's sheer flexibility and wealth of options. It's quantifiably superior, as it offers everything and every permutation of control and visuals the console version does, and simply immeasurably more, free!

 

[BSim500]

whats wrong with playing a game the way it was intended, without mods?

Oblivion Stock PC & Console:-
http://www.mobygames.com/images/sho...v-oblivion-xbox-360-screenshot-character.jpeg

Oblivion with Darnified UI:-
http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/ga...ort/oblivion-mods/oblivion06_DarNified UI.jpg

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Skyrim Stock Inventory (have to manually click on every item to see stats with "designed for TV" over-sized fonts):-
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/StarkeRealm/2011-11-19_00002.jpg

Skyrim SkyUI (displays them in a table with all stats visible for easy comparison and customizable fonts):-
http://static-4.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/3863-1-1324522565.jpg

I (and many others) found the super-consolized Stock UI to be extremely unpleasant, borderline unusable until modders got around to finishing the PC version off properly...

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As for comparing console vs PC mod visuals, it's a total no-contest:-

Oblivion:-
Console : http://www.gameswallpapershd.com/wallpapers/Oblivion-XBOX-GAME-Wallpaper-for-iPhone-6.jpg
PC Mod : http://i.imgur.com/LSk7j00.jpg

Skyrim:-
Console : http://rlsgame.org/sites/default/fi...-scrolls-v-skyrim-xbox-360-1320928274-141.jpg
PC Mod : http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2..._02_06_47_1080p_by_confidence_man-d864qhg.jpg

 

[frozentundra123456]

Brb buying a pc then turning down all the settings to match console.
Got to play it how the developer intended!

#Futurefields #itsreallypathetic

I have played all the way through Skyrim without mods. I enjoyed the game immensely, it is probably one of my top five favorite games I have ever played. Seriously, you have a right to set whatever hardware and gameplay standards you want for yourself, but you dont really have the right to try and impose them on the rest of us.

Edit: I do agree the PC version is better than console, and the option of having mods is great. However, I dont think they are necessary to be able to enjoy the game.

 

[futurefields]

Use turds as deodorant and claim you smell fresh. It's a free country.
But that doesn't fly with the majority of thinking adults. So don't be surprised when you pass that logic off as bulletproof but then get called on it.

...

what?

 

[Sulaco]

...

what?

Maybe, you know, read the rest of the three whole sentences in the post?

Message being: Don't try and pass off what can be objectively and quantitatively shown as false, as fact.
If, for whatever reason, you personally enjoy Skyrim more on consoles, that's fine. But let's not make up nonsense reasons to justify it.

 

[futurefields]

Ok . .

 

[Morbus]

it's about having a common experience with other people this is a huge part of gaming.

That's the console world.

PC players don't want a common experience. That's why there are no real RPGs on consoles, no strategy games, and all games with choices are dumbed down to binary levels or simply different endings based on a decision made 5 minutes from the end.

What are you, some kind of wizard?

No. He's going against what the developers intended. Burn him at the stake!!!

 

[ControlD]

I have found myself more and more recently sort of sideways eyeballing the newer consoles out there for the first time. I have been gaming on PC since, well, forever. With more and more games being written with consoles in mind first and then quickly and often messily ported to the PC, or even some really good games limited solely to consoles (The Last of US, etc.) sometimes I wish I had one.

I recently finished Dragon Age Inquisition on my PC, playing the entire time with a Xbox controller. There were times when I thought how nice it would be to play the game on my 46" TV, kicked back on the couch rather than sitting at my computer desk. I'm sure I could build another PC for such purposes, but a $400 console would be a hell of a lot easier.

 

[Anomaly1964]

I have found myself more and more recently sort of sideways eyeballing the newer consoles out there for the first time. I have been gaming on PC since, well, forever. With more and more games being written with consoles in mind first and then quickly and often messily ported to the PC, or even some really good games limited solely to consoles (The Last of US, etc.) sometimes I wish I had one.

I recently finished Dragon Age Inquisition on my PC, playing the entire time with a Xbox controller. There were times when I thought how nice it would be to play the game on my 46" TV, kicked back on the couch rather than sitting at my computer desk. I'm sure I could build another PC for such purposes, but a $400 console would be a hell of a lot easier.

I can understand how you feel...

 

[Cerb]

No. He's going against what the developers intended. Burn him at the stake!!!

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes5Mod:Developer_Mods/Kurt_Kuhlmann#Real_Carriages

So why doesn't the game include that? The developers have to make something that appeals to the widest audience for sales, and they have deadlines. Basic needs, and weather effects on the player, have been parts of popular mods since Morrowind, for example, but never get put in the basic game (including the FOs, that's 5, so far). If you can't die from hypothermia while trekking through the woods after swimming across a river, what's the point of all the winter weather effects?

 

[tential]

I have found myself more and more recently sort of sideways eyeballing the newer consoles out there for the first time. I have been gaming on PC since, well, forever. With more and more games being written with consoles in mind first and then quickly and often messily ported to the PC, or even some really good games limited solely to consoles (The Last of US, etc.) sometimes I wish I had one.

I recently finished Dragon Age Inquisition on my PC, playing the entire time with a Xbox controller. There were times when I thought how nice it would be to play the game on my 46" TV, kicked back on the couch rather than sitting at my computer desk. I'm sure I could build another PC for such purposes, but a $400 console would be a hell of a lot easier.

Hook your pc up to a TV then?
I haven't used a Computer monitor for a pc in 6 years. Only TV.
If you like laying down on a couch with your pc, it does that. That's why pc is great, flexibility.
My 2 pc displays are an 80 inch projector and a 70 inch HDTV.

 

[ControlD]

Hook your pc up to a TV then?
I haven't used a Computer monitor for a pc in 6 years. Only TV.
If you like laying down on a couch with your pc, it does that. That's why pc is great, flexibility.
My 2 pc displays are an 80 inch projector and a 70 inch HDTV.

I haven't worked the logistics of that out yet. My PC is about 50 feet from the closest TV and I don't want to move it. I guess I could run a really long HDMI cable, but trying to route that through walls / finished ceilings is tough. Then, how does the controller work? I would need something wireless but also RF right? It seems complicated. Maybe once the whole Steam streaming thing gets more refined that might be a solution.

 

[BSim500]

If you can't die from hypothermia while trekking through the woods after swimming across a river, what's the point of all the winter weather effects?

There's even a mod for that too. And that's the beauty of PC's : when publishers NEVER set themselves / developers enough time to properly test & optimize increasingly complex games, then modding increasingly becomes more of a requirement than a luxury (certainly for large open-world games). See the unofficial bug fix list containing literally hundreds / thousands of post-official-fix errors for Oblivion & Skyrim.

 

[tential]

I haven't worked the logistics of that out yet. My PC is about 50 feet from the closest TV and I don't want to move it. I guess I could run a really long HDMI cable, but trying to route that through walls / finished ceilings is tough. Then, how does the controller work? I would need something wireless but also RF right? It seems complicated. Maybe once the whole Steam streaming thing gets more refined that might be a solution.

Refined? It works perfectly I use steam in home streaming every day.
what more refinement does it need....

And you can't run a 50 foot hdmi cord doesn't work.

 

[ControlD]

Refined? It works perfectly I use steam in home streaming every day.
what more refinement does it need....

And you can't run a 50 foot hdmi cord doesn't work.

The only times I have tried it were over my wireless network, and it seemed like graphically intense games didn't work all that well. Also, if other family members are streaming or otherwise consuming a large amount of wireless bandwidth performance seems to suffer. Of course the solution is to run an ethernet cable to the receiving PC, but that brings about the same problems of running cables in a finished house that was built before ethernet was common.

 

[exar333]

-I can do much more on my PC than just play games. Like work. Or pretty much anything...
-I can re-coup costs of PC hardware by upgrading along the way. Good-quality components often hold a decent amount of their value.
-I can play any title I want with 100% backward compatibility.
-Building and maintaining a high-end (or even low-end) computer can be fun, it's a hobby in and of itself

(This is from someone who does like consoles too, for certain types of games. I like sitting on my couch to play Forza or GTA vs. the computer)

 

[AdamK47]

I've been building my own PC primarily for gaming since '96. Stopped playing consoles at that very moment I switched. Haven't owned one since then.

I enjoy building and tweaking a PC to get the absolute best gaming performance without sacrificing any quality.

 

[tential]

The only times I have tried it were over my wireless network, and it seemed like graphically intense games didn't work all that well. Also, if other family members are streaming or otherwise consuming a large amount of wireless bandwidth performance seems to suffer. Of course the solution is to run an ethernet cable to the receiving PC, but that brings about the same problems of running cables in a finished house that was built before ethernet was common.

Sorry, I'm really used to people being technical enough to know exactly why something doesn't work.

First, Steam In Home Streaming is streaming a game real time to your PC. It's doing this at 60 FPS. Most videos you download online are 24 FPS (Movies/TV Shows). So the data rate is almost 3 times what you normally would be watching.
Second, the quality of the stream is generally VERY high. Normally, most videos are highly compressed (Netflix, for example), but with Steam In Home Streaming, the video is attempted to be delivered at non-noticable rates of compression (depending on your setting of Fast, Balanced, Best).

Given this, you won't be using Wifi (for the majority of people, won't go into detail on wifi setup, I'll say that my wifi has NEVER given me 1/10th of it's avertised speeds unless I spent hours fiddling with the settings. Most chances are you won't be able to use wifi without really understanding and testing your wifi connection with various settings until you find the ones optimal for your house).

This isn't a glitch/bug with Steam In Home Streaming that needs to be fixed. It means your wifi isn't set up optimally, and that you need to use ethernet.

Ways around this? You can try Powerline Networking. That's pretty much the only thing you can do if you don't want to run ethernet line. I really don't like to recommend this option. A LOT of people do, and I've used Powerline Networking since it's inception. It runs ok, but it gives nowhere near the advertised speed (just like wifi!) and it can be finnicky. It's worth a shot though, especially if you order from a place with a good return policy (Amazon Prime, Bestbuy).

I currently use this option and am able to stream games flawlessly using the Balanced Option. I could use the Best option, but it is actually too intensive for my 6 year old PC to decode. You don't need a strong PC for decoding, but you can't use one that's too old and expect it to decode 60 FPS or one that's too weak. There are still modern day PCs that won't decode this, (Very cheap ones).

To fix your issue, a decent powerline adapter+Steam In Home Streaming Client PC fixes the problem. The current best powerline adapter is the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833181423. That's what I'm using but of course, I only want the best, you can go down from there and still adequately stream but it depends on the distance between the two units. The further away they are the faster/more expensive of one you should use.

Editaying someone to run ethernet though (assuming you know people that don't price gouge the living hell out of you) is worth it. With the massively cheap labor in this country, you should be able to find someone...

 

[TestKing123]

I have found myself more and more recently sort of sideways eyeballing the newer consoles out there for the first time. I have been gaming on PC since, well, forever. With more and more games being written with consoles in mind first and then quickly and often messily ported to the PC, or even some really good games limited solely to consoles (The Last of US, etc.) sometimes I wish I had one.

I recently finished Dragon Age Inquisition on my PC, playing the entire time with a Xbox controller. There were times when I thought how nice it would be to play the game on my 46" TV, kicked back on the couch rather than sitting at my computer desk. I'm sure I could build another PC for such purposes, but a $400 console would be a hell of a lot easier.

My office PC used to be both my gaming PC and productivity PC in one. Now they're separated, I built an HTPC gaming rig for my 46" 3DTV and never looked back. There's something special about PC gaming on the big screen, with an X360 controller, wireless keyboard/mouse, and full home theater surround system that puts all "real" consoles to shame. My office PC is still powerful enough for games, but now it doesn't feel "right" anymore....gotta have that big screen TV and couch to lay back on. :lol: In fact, once 3D Vision is confirmed for 4k support, my next TV will be an LG 4k model. My "HTPC" is actually a full sized tower computer sitting right next to my subwoofer, but I've built smaller HTPC's with entry/mid level hardware for other people that's still powerful enough for 1080p gaming, and still quite more powerful than these "next gen" consoles.

 

[ControlD]

Sorry, I'm really used to people being technical enough to know exactly why something doesn't work.


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Thanks for the detailed response.

I think I am plenty technical enough to know why this doesn't work well for me, yet I am practical enough to know none of the solutions are easily implemented. I have setup a powerline system and was rather underwhelmed by the performance. As you stated, running ethernet is the only real solution but I also know what it takes to run that cable to where I need it and I know the "boss" isn't going to put the stamp of approval on that!

Then again, it has been some time since I tried the home streaming feature. Last time I did there were only a handful of games supported that I owned but I imagine things have moved along since then.

 

[Cerb]

There's even a mod for that too.

I've been using Frostfall, due to wide compatibility with other gameplay mods.

 

[tential]

Thanks for the detailed response.

I think I am plenty technical enough to know why this doesn't work well for me, yet I am practical enough to know none of the solutions are easily implemented. I have setup a powerline system and was rather underwhelmed by the performance. As you stated, running ethernet is the only real solution but I also know what it takes to run that cable to where I need it and I know the "boss" isn't going to put the stamp of approval on that!

Then again, it has been some time since I tried the home streaming feature. Last time I did there were only a handful of games supported that I owned but I imagine things have moved along since then.

I only just started using it. Every game I have played has been supported but that's not that many.
Dota2, Borderlands The Presequel, Divinity, and Bioshock Infinite. I also would never purchase a game that isn't STEAM only because I don't want to risk the feature not working. So Dragon Age Inquisition being on Origin only... ya EA can suck it.

Powerline Adapter I linked does work, it's just expensive. So it's up to you to decide if that cost is worth it. I don't like to say it will 100% work because well, anything can happen with that tech.
I don't know what powerline adapter you've used in the past, but there are a ton of them that suck.

My office PC used to be both my gaming PC and productivity PC in one. Now they're separated, I built an HTPC gaming rig for my 46" 3DTV and never looked back. There's something special about PC gaming on the big screen, with an X360 controller, wireless keyboard/mouse, and full home theater surround system that puts all "real" consoles to shame. My office PC is still powerful enough for games, but now it doesn't feel "right" anymore....gotta have that big screen TV and couch to lay back on. :lol: In fact, once 3D Vision is confirmed for 4k support, my next TV will be an LG 4k model. My "HTPC" is actually a full sized tower computer sitting right next to my subwoofer, but I've built smaller HTPC's with entry/mid level hardware for other people that's still powerful enough for 1080p gaming, and still quite more powerful than these "next gen" consoles.

Yup. My main gaming rig is my HTPC. Surround Sound, Custom Built subwoofer (will DIY the rest of my speakers when I get more cash), and large screen tv. I need 4K though (well I want it but isn't that basically a need? =D).

Mine is a full sized tower PC as well. Fractal Design R4 case is amazing in that regard. Not a single person so far has known it was a PC case (yes, the general public really doesn't know much about PCs apparently). They all thought it was a subwoofer, despite my BRIGHT RED 15 inch subwoofer (paint job didn't come out as expected but still is great) being there.

My next purchase is a 4K Projector when they come down to the 2.5k range. I may get the Vizio P series refresh next year if I really want a stop gap.

I find consoles inadequate for the visual detail I want at large screen sizes.

 

[ControlD]

Powerline Adapter I linked does work, it's just expensive. So it's up to you to decide if that cost is worth it. I don't like to say it will 100% work because well, anything can happen with that tech.
I don't know what powerline adapter you've used in the past, but there are a ton of them that suck.

I'll look into the model you linked. When I tried Powerline it was a fairly new product so I have to imagine things have improved since then.

Thanks for the link.

 

[Midwayman]

Ways around this? You can try Powerline Networking. That's pretty much the only thing you can do if you don't want to run ethernet line. I really don't like to recommend this option. A LOT of people do, and I've used Powerline Networking since it's inception. It runs ok, but it gives nowhere near the advertised speed (just like wifi!) and it can be finnicky. It's worth a shot though, especially if you order from a place with a good return policy (Amazon Prime, Bestbuy).

Gah... try moca first if you have coax run in your house. Powerline networking? How is that a first recommendation?!?