question for the Christians - immortality

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busydude

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Did I not give you that video the other day of all the messiahs who preceed Christ . All born on dec25 Horus an egyptian God is in perfect alinment with the Cgrist story . EXACTLY a Match . But thats only 1 of many who preceed Christ with similiar storyies


What does it have to do with Christ.. I am not following you.
 

Malak

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When everything on this planet(universe for that matter) is created by GOD.. how can people die from unnatural causes?

Are you being a douchebag or a retard? I have a hard time telling sometimes.
 

Nemesis 1

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Quite a few people die daily to unnatural causes. In fact, how do you know you aren't still eternal? A major change to lifespans did not occur until Noah, and those changes were more likely environmental rather than biological.



In the noah story that does seem to be the case . gods covenant with noah was to never destroy the earth by flood again . The sign of that covenant was a Rainbow a sight noah had never witnessed befor
 

GagHalfrunt

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Incidentally, what we do have is some evidence that there may have been an asteroid/comet impact in the ocean near the very region where the Bible's components were written and assembled. If you're living back in those days and the ocean abruptly rises up in an enormous tsunami and wipes out everything near the shoreline, you can bet that there are going to be some very interesting stories told by the survivors.
My money's on either that, or else some natural event that dumped a helluva lot of water on some ancient scared people.

Oh, absolutely. The biblical fairy tales are based on older folk tale and myths and tribal traditions passed on by ignorant savages who didn't know what was beyond the next hill. To those people the entire world was their village, the one village upstream and the one downstream. Any flood on the river impacted them and the people upstream and the people downstream and *presto*, it's a worldwide flood. And modern Christians stole those ridiculous stories, put their own spin on them and now a whole new batch of ignorant savages believe them. EVERY religion shares a worldwide flood myth because every religion began the same way, with the most stupid people on earth misinterpreting what they saw and heard.
 

Perknose

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Was God cool with incest too?

OBVIOUSLY, you impertinent heathen, since the only sexual partners available to Adam and Eve's four children -- Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice -- were either each other or Mumsy or Pops.

There wasn't a banana leaf big enough in the entire Garden of Eden to hide their distress at this dilemma!

But The Big Guy said, "Get to it or I'll visit a plague of Insane Republican Presidential Candidates upon you!" HE tended to talk in caps, even then.

So they got busy with each other and, little known fact, that's why people in general are so stupid today:

We're all the descendants of inbred little sibling buggers! :awe:
 

Malak

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:awe:

Can't I be both?

Clear it up.. Malak. What constitutes natural and unnatural death?

I think my point was that there was no such thing as natural death in the sense that the body simply dies after awhile. All external causes are unnatural.
 

dud

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assuming Adam and Eve did not eat from the fruit and therefore would live eternally on earth, as would all their offspring... and God's command was to be "fruitful and multiply".

what was God's plan on overpopulation on planet Earth?
would the Earth grow in size? would people start inhabiting other planets?



BBYT ... it's time to have a glass of milk, go to bed ... and stop trolling for today.

You can go sleeepy knowing you were in rare form today.
 

Nemesis 1

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The story of Krishna is wrong. Other than that... it was interesting. No wonder Malak is so pissed off.

Google Ahmose stele or tempest stele

Google Amun

Than read the Gosphel of Thomas Its a bit shocking at first . But it is eye opening for those who seek.

Than the science group read Gosphel of Mary mag,

You may also find the Gosphel of Peter interesting . I do believe Christ was A real living man . I just don't believe he was hebrew, Son of Ceasar(Self proclaimed god) and the Virgin Isis (Cleopatra)
 
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Jeff7

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Oh, absolutely. The biblical fairy tales are based on older folk tale and myths and tribal traditions passed on by ignorant savages who didn't know what was beyond the next hill. To those people the entire world was their village, the one village upstream and the one downstream. Any flood on the river impacted them and the people upstream and the people downstream and *presto*, it's a worldwide flood. And modern Christians stole those ridiculous stories, put their own spin on them and now a whole new batch of ignorant savages believe them. EVERY religion shares a worldwide flood myth because every religion began the same way, with the most stupid people on earth misinterpreting what they saw and heard.
Factor in too the matter of "the fish I caught was thiiiiiis big."

First telling of the story, the wave was high enough to cover small structures and trees.
Second telling, it was twice as high as the tallest tree.
Third telling, it was almost as high as a small hill.
Until eventually it was higher than the tallest (known) mountain, and the waters didn't recede for weeks.
 

sandorski

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Factor in too the matter of "the fish I caught was thiiiiiis big."

First telling of the story, the wave was high enough to cover small structures and trees.
Second telling, it was twice as high as the tallest tree.
Third telling, it was almost as high as a small hill.
Until eventually it was higher than the tallest (known) mountain, and the waters didn't recede for weeks.

We have Evidence that it was as deep as Mars!
 

Nik

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You should be ignoring him instead since he is a nutcase.

He's drawing the conclusion that the story of Christ is nothing more than an elaborate fabrication based on the myriad of stories that came BEFORE Christ that just HAPPEN to match the Bible story.

As in, if someone in 100 years rewrites the Harry Potter books and claims to be the original author.

He's not a nutcase, YOU are the nutcase, Malak, for believing in something that has NO EVIDENCE to support it.

Christ wasn't divine. Period.
 

Nik

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I think my point was that there was no such thing as natural death in the sense that the body simply dies after awhile. All external causes are unnatural.

Oxygen is corrosive. This is the foundation for the human condition. Everything else either speeds up or slows down the process, but categorizing death in such a way is just stupid.
 

GotIssues

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does any of what you stated even matter?
if people are dying now and the world is already overpopulating, then how could it be that a world where no one dies be less populated?

lets pick the first point off your list... wars.
wars have existed throughout history and many people died in them. the current population WITH wars stands at X number of people.

if there were no wars, there would be no deaths from wars, correct?
so assuming Y number people have died in all the collective wars in history, if there were no wars, the current population would be X + Y which is greater than X.

please state your point again, because one of us is confused or stupid.

fuck, none of this even makes sense because in my original hypothetical situation, NO ONE DIES because there was no sin!

Because the rate of growth is not going to be the same. Just because the population is growing now, doesn't mean it is the same in the alternate scenario.

Imagine a timeline. If you you alter a point in that timeline, everything after that point will be different than it previously was based on what you changed. Changing something as impactful as immortality doesn't have a minor effect on the rest of the timeline. You can pretty much forget everything you know past that point, because it's not going to happen in the same manner. Population growth after that point in time is affected and thus applying the population growth from THIS timeline to the alternate timeline is foolish.

Not to mention, the majority of population growth of humans is recent (last couple hundred years).

This is the THIRD time I've had to state this, and it really isn't a difficult concept. It's impossible to state it any other way or in any more plain English. Honestly, if you can't grasp the concept, there really is no way to help you understand it.
 

BAMAVOO

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1 Lilith was Adams 1st wife,

2 both created in same manner

3 had fallout over equality

4 Lilith complained to God

5 God agreeded with lilith . and allowed lilith to stay in his presance

6 Adam became lonely God took cells from adam to create eve

7 Eve was less than adam

8 All 3 majoe religions demonized lilith

9 Adam wasa bigit

10 this was the SIN ADAM commeted Pride

But because eve sharred adams genes she sharred in junishment.

You are enjoying the Kingdom of god now Only way to so called heaven is by understanding our nature and Gods, Its a lot easier than you think. KNOW your true Father and Mother, This knowledge destroys religion .

This is Jewish folklore.
 

Jeeebus

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Don't be a fucking idiot - it's pretty crystal clear what would happen.

There would be lots of sword fights and taking of heads. Eventually, when only a few of us were left, there would be a Quickening, and only one would remain.

Then there would be Queen music.

It would be epic.
 

AMDZen

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Whenever I argue the Old Testament with die-hard Christian's they always say that the Old Testament is basically irrelevant and only the New Testament applies.

Of course arguing with Christians is never constructive
 

busydude

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I think my point was that there was no such thing as natural death in the sense that the body simply dies after awhile. All external causes are unnatural.

If god created man, woman and earth; then, applying transitive property, everything man-made is made by god. That means there cannot be an unnatural death on this planet for you religious folk.
 
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