This how we know you are a credulous idiot, beyond even the constant incoherent stream-of-consciousness dribble you typically post.
Cannot just pick and choose what you want to believe is real and what is false.
They were immortal. They spent millions of years tending orchards and doing the maths before they figured out that wasn't what God meant, and by then the missed the chance to teach their kids dinosaur wrangling.assuming Adam and Eve did not eat from the fruit and therefore would live eternally on earth, as would all their offspring... and God's command was to be "fruitful and multiply".
what was God's plan on overpopulation on planet Earth?
would the Earth grow in size? would people start inhabiting other planets?
If god created man, woman and earth; then, applying transitive property, everything man-made is made by god. That means there cannot be an unnatural death on this planet for you religious folk.
Anything made by man is made by man. God did not make cigarettes or atomic bombs, no matter what twisted logic you try to apply to it.
Anything made by man is made by man. God did not make cigarettes or atomic bombs, no matter what twisted logic you try to apply to it.
So... God made man. Man made cigarettes and atomic bombs. So who is responsible for cancer? The cigarettes and bombs can incite it, but it's in the human body which God created and the result of processes in the human body. Even forgetting man-made causes of cancer, it can still happen. Does this mean that God created cancer when creating man (and other species) and that cancer, therefore, is "natural" and therefore would have happened even if humans remained immortal? Like, maybe we'd live forever but have giant bulbous masses all over our bodies?
You have no basis of information to determine any mutations would occur. Being immortal also does not imply you can't die, which is why I asked why the OP thought we weren't still immortal beings.
You have no basis of information to determine any mutations would occur.
Why'd he allow them to happen, then? Why did he allow millions of innocent civilians to die from the atomic bomb retaliations?
Why does god help a football player score a touchdown while ignoring starving kids in Africa?
Why did god create a world so fucked up?
Why does god send people to hell?
Why did god CREATE people just to go to hell?
Why did god, in his infinite wisdom, CREATE sin, create men to have an uncontrollable, unavoidable sinful nature, and then damn them to hell for it?
I am now prepared to listen to your twisted justifications for all of this. You may now reply.
I see; so your contention is that it is possible that mutations would never have happened during reproduction if not for the shit that went down in the garden of eden, and that our original genomes were so perfect that, in eden, they would never have "gone rogue" and started forming cancer?
I assume this also implies that evolution would no longer occur in any other creature or lifeform on earth in this scenario? Otherwise there would be the eventual possibility of a retrovirus which would then taint the perfect, mutation-free, perfectly reproducing human body.
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is powerful enough to create universe
isn't powerful enough to appear in front of me (or anyone else) with ground shaking and fire burning and proving that he's god
Are you really that narcissistic that you think that if god exists that he would bend to your will to have him prove himself?
I see; so your contention is that it is possible that mutations would never have happened during reproduction if not for the shit that went down in the garden of eden, and that our original genomes were so perfect that, in eden, they would never have "gone rogue" and started forming cancer?
I assume this also implies that evolution would no longer occur in any other creature or lifeform on earth in this scenario? Otherwise there would be the eventual possibility of a retrovirus which would then taint the perfect, mutation-free, perfectly reproducing human body.
Big difference between "doesn't" and "can't"
Example: Most parents don't strangle their infant children. That does not mean that they can't.
Are you really that narcissistic that you think that if god exists that he would bend to your will to have him prove himself?
Agreed; Any "god" that is willing to condemn all humans for all of eternity to being mortals for something one human being did {thousands/millions} of years ago and thereby subject all generations to mutations and the like clearly lacks ethics and doesn't care about any human beings enough to actually interact with them.
So the answer is yes, you are THAT narcissistic to think that if an omnipotent, omniscient being exists, that you deserve him to pay special attention to you.
The "god" described in the bible cares for nothing more than the love of his children. That puts my "wants" close to the top of "His" list. Next, if he's all knowing and all powerful and exists outside of space and time, why CAN'T he just appear to me, right the fuck in front of me, shake my hand, say "Hello, Nik, my son, my precious creation, whom I know better than you know yourself" and have a discussion with me?
Why can't I stand toe to toe with an all-powerful all-loving god and scream my broken hearted bullshit in his face, cry, and have him compassionately accept and forgive me?
Why won't he?
Because he doesn't exist.
You know, mentioning it once is one thing. However, I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that you only recently learned that word and are trying to inject it into any conversation where it MIGHT fit.
Stop it.
No, he's saying that you are applying current rules to a different situation. The world where the Garden of Eden exists is essentially a competely different world than that in which we live today. Completely different. As in nothing the same. Nothing. Not the same in any regard. Different on every level. Changed in every respect that you can imagine. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? How many times does this have to be said for it to get through people's thick skulls?
Just because mutations would happen IN TODAY'S WORLD does not mean it would happen in the given scenario. In all liklihood, given the nature of what the Garden of Eden was supposed to be, mutations would have never happened. Diseases would have never happened. Evolution would have never happened (as evolution was need-based, which nothing was ever needed in Eden, as it was provided).
What I thought was a fun and interesting hypothetical topic turned into fruitless effort to push through a simple concept into some incredibly thick skulls. I weep for the future.
So your proof that god doesn't exist is because he doesn't show him/herself to you and provide absolute miracles to prove he's god?
Yeah, you are a quite full of yourself if you think that if god exists he'd bend to what you want.
So here are these two dudes, a snake, and an apple tree. One of them decides to screw over humankind. Then, poof, God (who is love) decides to instigate mutations and evolution, create viruses out of thin air (since there was no primeval formation of DNA/RNA), and a bunch of other tragic bullshit all in response. Is that the concept here?
So going to church, proselytizing, spreading the word of God and other such actions are completely meaningless. If he doesn't care what we do as individuals, why would he care about what we do as a group? The way the Bible describes him indicates that he DOES care about what individuals do (that's the whole basis of acceptance into Heaven in the afterlife), so his inattentiveness on an individual level is simply willful callousness, which is hardly what I look for in a supreme being... So he either doesn't care, in which case why live by the principles set forth in the Bible at all, or he is intentionally avoiding us, in which case why would he want to spend time with us after we die?If you were God, would you bother revealing yourself to some dipshit who sits around demanding your presence? No, you wouldn't. You'd tell him to fuck off, you are the one running the show.