question for the Christians - immortality

[Mr. Pedantic]

He planned on Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the tree. That's why he put it, and the serpent there, right where they could easily get at it.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Does not change fact that we have proof of world wide flood.

Please present this proof. In fact, present it to the Nobel Committee as a discovery of such magnitude would certainly be worth of a Nobel Prize.

 

[torpid]

I refuse to attempt rational discussion about floods and lilith with someone with such atrocious grammar and spelling. I know I'm not perfect in that department but this is ridiculous.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Does not change fact that we have proof of world wide flood, The points in my first reply all should have been written as god except Gods nature

ROFLMAO!!! We have proof there wasn't a worldwide flood.

 

[GotIssues]

we're already multiplying beyond control so all of your assumptions about my assumptions are irrelevant.

So you are making your argument basis that if these events occurred in your scenario, nothing in history would change except immortality?

Assuming the biblical story was true (because that was the hypothetical situation posed), then man would know no sin. There would never have been any wars (which shaped a large amount of our history), no diseases or plagues, very likely no technological advances (innovation is typically born of necessisity and want, neither of which would exist in Eden). No racism, no persecutions, no famine, no natural disasters, etc, etc. Do you really think the world would be exactly where it is now under your scenario? No. It wouldn't even come close to resembling what the world is now.

So your assumption that behaviors would remain the same is quite flawed, so my assumptions about your assumptions are quite relevant.

 

[Nemesis 1]

This is the only link I will give you there is enough here so you can do your own follow up http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm

There is another way . How big of a flood here in US would it take to make you really stop and think about what I have been talking about . From your key board not mine. YOU say , how much

 

[torpid]

How big of a flood here in US would it take to make you really stop and think about what I have been talking about.

I have already stopped and thought about your ramblings and concluded that they are not worth the electrical current that was required to create them. No amount of natural disaster -- nor, even, a direct and irrefutable event proving that everything Christians believe is true -- would make me consider that your diatribe is of any value. That, unfortunately, is the result of the quality of your presentation.

So, in summation, I can find no reason to take your writing seriously at this point in time.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I have already stopped and thought about your ramblings and concluded that they are not worth the electrical current that was required to create them. No amount of natural disaster -- nor, even, a direct and irrefutable event proving that everything Christians believe is true -- would make me consider that your diatribe is of any value. That, unfortunately, is the result of the quality of your presentation.

So, in summation, I can find no reason to take your writing seriously at this point in time.

LOL So you don't like my methods. Good. Next batter

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

So you are making your argument basis that if these events occurred in your scenario, nothing in history would change except immortality?

Assuming the biblical story was true (because that was the hypothetical situation posed), then man would know no sin. There would never have been any wars (which shaped a large amount of our history), no diseases or plagues, very likely no technological advances (innovation is typically born of necessisity and want, neither of which would exist in Eden). No racism, no persecutions, no famine, no natural disasters, etc, etc. Do you really think the world would be exactly where it is now under your scenario? No. It wouldn't even come close to resembling what the world is now.

So your assumption that behaviors would remain the same is quite flawed, so my assumptions about your assumptions are quite relevant.

does any of what you stated even matter?
if people are dying now and the world is already overpopulating, then how could it be that a world where no one dies be less populated?

lets pick the first point off your list... wars.
wars have existed throughout history and many people died in them. the current population WITH wars stands at X number of people.

if there were no wars, there would be no deaths from wars, correct?
so assuming Y number people have died in all the collective wars in history, if there were no wars, the current population would be X + Y which is greater than X.

please state your point again, because one of us is confused or stupid.

fuck, none of this even makes sense because in my original hypothetical situation, NO ONE DIES because there was no sin!

 

[torpid]

if there were no wars, there would be no deaths from wars, correct?
so assuming Y number people have died in all the collective wars in history, if there were no wars, the current population would be X + Y which is greater than X.

I could be wrong, but I believe his point is this.

Suppose Y people have died in all wars. If you add that to the current population of X, you get X + Y as you mentioned.

But the scenario proposed is not just "no one died in wars." There are a lot of other factors that change that would affect population and human behavior. Therefore there wouldn't likely be X as the base # of people, because of all of the other effects of the change to the human condition. Maybe it will be X + Y + 45 billion, or maybe it will be 32 people total all sitting around in their old people frocks and complaining about rabbits on their lawn.

 

[AbAbber2k]

God knew Eve would eat the apple, so it all worked out.

It was the only way to set in motion his plan to raise humanity in his image, love them gloriously, and then cast 90% of them into hell.

Isn't he wonderful?

 

[sandorski]

It's merely an Ancient attempt to try and comprehend why Humans were different from the rest of Nature.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I could be wrong, but I believe his point is this.

Suppose Y people have died in all wars. If you add that to the current population of X, you get X + Y as you mentioned.

But the scenario proposed is not just "no one died in wars." There are a lot of other factors that change that would affect population and human behavior. Therefore there wouldn't likely be X as the base # of people, because of all of the other effects of the change to the human condition. Maybe it will be X + Y + 45 billion, or maybe it will be 32 people total all sitting around in their old people frocks and complaining about rabbits on their lawn.

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

You're saying if you saw hot nekkid chicks all over the earth, you wouldn't be banging them 24/7?

 

[sandorski]

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

This is kinda like what a Farmer/Rancher would say to its' Herds.

 

[torpid]

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

Perhaps God's idea of a "full" earth is 32 old dudes in frocks. Too vague to know for sure. We need some dude with some golden tablets found in a cave to give us more info.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

This is the only link I will give you there is enough here so you can do your own follow up http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm

This how we know you are a credulous idiot, beyond even the constant incoherent stream-of-consciousness dribble you typically post.

 

[Nemesis 1]

What you act like I don't know how the message would be recieved. SO many going to perish out of stupid pride. Adams flaw . 5,249 years and no improvement. I am sorry for you. But God in his wisdom did provide help for the true followers of his truth.

 

[busydude]

But God in his wisdom did provide help for the true followers of his truth.

Depends on which god you believe in.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well now your seeing a little . Could you expand on those thoughts.

 

[busydude]

Well now your seeing a little . Could you expand on those thoughts.

Just read up on the creation of the earth in various religions. There are >5 versions just in Hinduism.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

I will believe that the end of the world is coming when I see some actual validated proof. The rest is wishy washy stuff from people that don't know how the world works.

Some old book or stone vaguely waving its imaginary arms into the future is not proof.

 

[Jeff7]

ROFLMAO!!! We have proof there wasn't a worldwide flood.

Incidentally, what we do have is some evidence that there may have been an asteroid/comet impact in the ocean near the very region where the Bible's components were written and assembled. If you're living back in those days and the ocean abruptly rises up in an enormous tsunami and wipes out everything near the shoreline, you can bet that there are going to be some very interesting stories told by the survivors.
My money's on either that, or else some natural event that dumped a helluva lot of water on some ancient scared people.

 

[Malak]

assuming Adam and Eve did not eat from the fruit and therefore would live eternally on earth, as would all their offspring... and God's command was to be "fruitful and multiply".

what was God's plan on overpopulation on planet Earth?
would the Earth grow in size? would people start inhabiting other planets?

Quite a few people die daily to unnatural causes. In fact, how do you know you aren't still eternal? A major change to lifespans did not occur until Noah, and those changes were more likely environmental rather than biological.

 

[busydude]

Quite a few people die daily to unnatural causes.

When everything on this planet(universe for that matter) is created by GOD.. how can people die from unnatural causes?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Just read up on the creation of the earth in various religions. There are >5 versions just in Hinduism.

Did I not give you that video the other day of all the messiahs who precede Christ . All born on dec25 Horus an egyptian God is in perfect alinment with the Cgrist story . EXACTLY a Match . But thats only 1 of many who precede Christ with similiar stories, What did you get out of that . I tell ya now I am not suppose to walk you threw this.