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SlowSpyder

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Propaganda 101: "I know you are but what am I"

Calling Affirmative Action, a program designed to try to counter racism in hiring and educational opportunity practices "racist" is absurd.

And typical of those who wish to keep the status quo of racism alive.

You've done nothing but make an abject fool of yourself in this thread.


Affirmative action IS racist. One group of people is being passed over for nothing other than their race (or sex / gender). It is racism to try and counter racism, don't be surprised it isn't working and doesn't help race relations. One more left championed idea that is not good for anyone involved. Heart may have been in the right place, but the brain certainly wasn't.
 

HomerJS

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Affirmative action IS racist. One group of people is being passed over for nothing other than their race (or sex / gender). It is racism to try and counter racism, don't be surprised it isn't working and doesn't help race relations. One more left championed idea that is not good for anyone involved. Heart may have been in the right place, but the brain certainly wasn't.
If implemented properly it is not. How do you think Colon Powell rose to the level of 4 star general and eventually Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? It was AA and he didn't get to that position unqualified and just because he was black.
 

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Affirmative action IS racist. One group of people is being passed over for nothing other than their race (or sex / gender). It is racism to try and counter racism, don't be surprised it isn't working and doesn't help race relations. One more left championed idea that is not good for anyone involved. Heart may have been in the right place, but the brain certainly wasn't.

Again. You do not understand what racism means. For racism to exist, a belief of superiority must exist. If racial quotas are enacted to counter racism, that is not racist.

You can keep screaming your Tu Qouque fallacy all day. It's still not factual.
 

fskimospy

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If implemented properly it is not. How do you think Colon Powell rose to the level of 4 star general and eventually Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? It was AA and he didn't get to that position unqualified and just because he was black.

It is a pointless and transparently stupid argument.

Black people have been and continue to be the subject of discrimination based on race and the empirical evidence on that is clear. Dummies like taj and slowspyder try to argue that if you then enact policies designed to mitigate that fact, THAT is the true racism. Effectively they are saying that even if everyone agrees a problem exists where racism is hurting black people you can’t work to counteract that because that’s racist. The circular reasoning there shouldn’t be lost on anyone.

As already mentioned, racism requires a belief in the superiority of one race over another. Affirmative action does not have that and therefore by definition is not racist. End of story.
 

SlowSpyder

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If implemented properly it is not. How do you think Colon Powell rose to the level of 4 star general and eventually Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? It was AA and he didn't get to that position unqualified and just because he was black.


I'd like to think he was the best person for the job. I'd like to think our national security would be entrusted to who we think is the best, not for a checkbox on a race spreadsheet. I don't care if the best person for the job is a woman, skin color / race doesn't matter, LGBT or not, what religion, etc. None of that matters... if someone can do the job well, they should have a shot at it. But no one should get appointed or chosen for a job because of skin color, and that is what affirmative action does.
 

HomerJS

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I'd like to think he was the best person for the job. I'd like to think our national security would be entrusted to who we think is the best, not for a checkbox on a race spreadsheet. I don't care if the best person for the job is a woman, skin color / race doesn't matter, LGBT or not, what religion, etc. None of that matters... if someone can do the job well, they should have a shot at it. But no one should get appointed or chosen for a job because of skin color, and that is what affirmative action does.
He most certainly was however he was constantly passed over for promotion. It took someone to push the point that candidates were coming back all white. Go find me a person of color. They did and thus Powell was promoted.
 

SlowSpyder

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He most certainly was however he was constantly passed over for promotion. It took someone to push the point that candidates were coming back all white. Go find me a person of color. They did and thus Powell was promoted.

If he was the best person for the job, then I don't see that as an affirmative action hire. I see that as the best person for the job rightfully getting the job, as should happen.
 

SlowSpyder

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It doesn't. You should answer his question.

Don't answer a question he didn't ask.


I think every human on earth that has ever lived that has met other races has done something that could be considered racist out of ignorance. Not a single person has never had a racist thought, I'm sure Trump is not special. The thing of it is, what is the trend, does he embrace racist thoughts or try and think in a higher manner? I don't think Trump is a racist. Hope that helps.
 

HomerJS

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If he was the best person for the job, then I don't see that as an affirmative action hire. I see that as the best person for the job rightfully getting the job, as should happen.
excuse me stupid but people had to be told "go out and find a black candidate". Otherwise they would have just picked more white people. That's the prime definition of AA.

As with almost all positions it isn't just a matter of candidate A scored a 98 and candidate B scored a 94. There could be a ton of reasons to take candidate B, and some are subjective. Black people have been frozen out of positions for years.

Have you taken a look at the list of federal judges Trump has put up? Almost all white. Do you honestly think people of color are not qualified? AA would say go out and find some people of color to fill these positions.

Look at this administration. Do you honestly think Trump's kids are the best people for their jobs? Hell no its just because of daddy. I don't see you objecting to that.

Poorly administered AA programs are bad for all. Unqualified people should not be chosen just based on race.
 

SlowSpyder

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excuse me stupid but people had to be told "go out and find a black candidate". Otherwise they would have just picked more white people. That's the prime definition of AA.

As with almost all positions it isn't just a matter of candidate A scored a 98 and candidate B scored a 94. There could be a ton of reasons to take candidate B, and some are subjective. Black people have been frozen out of positions for years.

Have you taken a look at the list of federal judges Trump has put up? Almost all white. Do you honestly think people of color are not qualified? AA would say go out and find some people of color to fill these positions.

Look at this administration. Do you honestly think Trump's kids are the best people for their jobs? Hell no its just because of daddy. I don't see you objecting to that.

Poorly administered AA programs are bad for all. Unqualified people should not be chosen just based on race.

Trump putting those close to him in charge of certain positions may not be what either you or I agree is best, but I don't see it as racism either. I think he has a very tight circle of those he trusts, he puts a lot of value on that and appoints those he trusts. I don't think he's passing over any one based on skin color so much as just using what he values (close people he can trust).
 

HomerJS

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Trump putting those close to him in charge of certain positions may not be what either you or I agree is best, but I don't see it as racism either. I think he has a very tight circle of those he trusts, he puts a lot of value on that and appoints those he trusts. I don't think he's passing over any one based on skin color so much as just using what he values (close people he can trust).
I guess that explains all the federal judges.
 

umbrella39

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I'd like to think he was the best person for the job. I'd like to think our national security would be entrusted to who we think is the best, not for a checkbox on a race spreadsheet. I don't care if the best person for the job is a woman, skin color / race doesn't matter, LGBT or not, what religion, etc. None of that matters... if someone can do the job well, they should have a shot at it. But no one should get appointed or chosen for a job because of skin color, and that is what affirmative action does.

No, it doesn't. People getting chosen for a job because of skin color exists since the first job ever and will continue until the last job ever. That's all the AA you need to know. Trying to change that fact is a fools game. The only reason AA exists is to give the guise of a level playing field. Don't fret, you will 99% of the time STILL get chosen over an all things being equal black person. Stop crying about that 1% FFS...
 

fskimospy

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I think every human on earth that has ever lived that has met other races has done something that could be considered racist out of ignorance. Not a single person has never had a racist thought, I'm sure Trump is not special. The thing of it is, what is the trend, does he embrace racist thoughts or try and think in a higher manner? I don't think Trump is a racist. Hope that helps.

What thing do you think Trump did that was racist, specifically?
 

SlowSpyder

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What thing do you think Trump did that was racist, specifically?

So you are saying he is racist because of the judges he's appointed? I doubt it, but I don't think it matters what he does, the left is going to crucify him anyway.
 

SlowSpyder

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No, it doesn't. People getting chosen for a job because of skin color exists since the first job ever and will continue until the last job ever. That's all the AA you need to know. Trying to change that fact is a fools game. The only reason AA exists is to give the guise of a level playing field. Don't fret, you will 99% of the time STILL get chosen over an all things being equal black person. Stop crying about that 1% FFS...


You are defending racist policies, saying it isn't that bad, even good for soceity. That is no different than racists before you. If anything I'm less racist than you, I go one more race that I don't think should get discriminated against.
 
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umbrella39

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What the fuck are you on? I called you nothing. I defended nothing. You are perpetually stuck on trying to label people though... Maybe that's part of your problem. Move on already...
 

HomerJS

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So you are saying he is racist because of the judges he's appointed? I doubt it, but I don't think it matters what he does, the left is going to crucify him anyway.
I'm asking you why does he not think blacks are qualified for these positions?

AA would dictate go out and get some qualified minority candidates.
 

SlowSpyder

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I'm asking you why does he not think blacks are qualified for these positions?

AA would dictate go out and get some qualified minority candidates.

He should hire or appoint whomever he feels is best for the job. That includes minorities. And it seems he has put some minorities into positions as well as a fair number of women. People should not get a job just for being a minority, but minorities should in no way be excluded.
 

HomerJS

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He should hire or appoint whomever he feels is best for the job. That includes minorities. And it seems he has put some minorities into positions as well as a fair number of women. People should not get a job just for being a minority, but minorities should in no way be excluded.
Only 2 people in top advisory positions, Omorosa and Ben Carson and one of them is gone.

Seems in Trump world only white people need to apply. As I stated almost all his federal judges are white. In fact he has highest percentage of white people in decades.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blacks-judges-20171113-story.html
President Donald Trump is nominating white men to America's federal courts at a rate not seen in nearly 30 years, threatening to reverse a slow transformation toward a judiciary that reflects the nation's diversity.

Now unless the ability of blacks to do this job all of a sudden declined Trump is implicitly excluding blacks. This is how it has worked for so many years in this country. This is why we need AA.

AA would correct the problem Trump has brought back.
 
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Only 2 people in top advisory positions, Omorosa and Ben Carson and one of them is gone.

Seems in Trump world only white people need to apply. As I stated almost all his federal judges are white. In fact he has highest percentage of white people in decades.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blacks-judges-20171113-story.html


Now unless the ability of blacks to do this job all of a sudden declined Trump is implicitly excluding blacks. This is how it has worked for so many years in this country. This is why we need AA.

AA would correct the problem Trump has brought back.
It's your thread, foam on.
 

SlowSpyder

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Only 2 people in top advisory positions, Omorosa and Ben Carson and one of them is gone.

Seems in Trump world only white people need to apply. As I stated almost all his federal judges are white. In fact he has highest percentage of white people in decades.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blacks-judges-20171113-story.html


Now unless the ability of blacks to do this job all of a sudden declined Trump is implicitly excluding blacks. This is how it has worked for so many years in this country. This is why we need AA.

AA would correct the problem Trump has brought back.

Bolded and underlined. Some of what you said directly contradicts itself. You said only whites need apply, yet admit he has hired black people into high positions. It just isn't as many as you want, so you think racist policy needs to exist.
 

fskimospy

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I was making comments about humanity in general. I don't have any specific examples of Trump.

You're not aware of a single statement or action he's made in his entire life that you think was racist? Wow. Just wow.

That basically says everything that anyone would need to know about how you view Trump though. Thanks for confirming.
 
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