Question on Lcd Tv

phillyman36

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Hey can someone please explain a couple of things to me? I see sony has a tv (lcd) with specs that say

8-bit display panel with 10-bit processing


Also i see some tv say something about 120hz ( i guess thats response time?)

What do these to things mean and how do they help? I trying to understand the specs so i know what make a better tv.

Thanks for any help
 

Wuzup101

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The bit depth of the panel and processor are what determines the gradations of color that the TV can display. Higher bit depth displays can display finer levels of color, though I'm not sure what the direct benefit of having 10-bit processing w/ an 8 bit panel is.

120hz is the refresh rate (the number of times the picture is redrawn every second). Standard LCDs refreshed 60 times per second (60hz). 120 hz sets are capable of doing double that. DVD/HD-DVD/BR media is generally recorded at 24fps (for film). Many other sources are 30fps. 120hz sets have the benefit of being able to display both of these formats without a conversion because 120/24 = 5 and 120/30=4. On a 60hz TV a 3:2 pulldown is needed to display 24fps media. This means that in 1 second there are 24 normal frames from the source. If we number these frames 1 to 24... each of the odd frames are trippled and displayed and each of the odd frames are doubled and displayed.... this creates 60 frames per second for the 60hz TV. Meaning that you get 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-5-5-5-6-6-etc... generally, this is not noticeable during a lot of the viewing; however, it can be VERY noticeable during slow pan shots in movies where the combination of very slow motion and non-uniform display time allow the problem to be easily spotted. A 120hz TV would simply display every frame of a 24fps source 5 times (for a total of 120fps). Similarly, 30fps sources get a 4x multiplier for 120fps on the 120hz set).

Note: 120hz is fairly new tech. There were only a handful of TVs last gen to feature this (most notably the samsung 71F series and sony's XBR 4/5). There still are problems to be worked out, and what you get does depend on personal preference. Some people don't like the way that 120hz sets make pictures look, some love it... I personally think that it looks good, but the price difference last gen was too much for me (so I bought a 60hz samsung instead of the 120hz sammy that was $600 more at the 40" size at the time). I'm very happy with it.
 

phillyman36

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Wuzup101 thanks alot for the help i appreciate it these are the tvs i was looking at

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm...m/ccd/productDetail.do


http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm...m/ccd/productDetail.do


http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm...m/ccd/productDetail.do


CC doesnt carry the newer Samsung a650 in a 32 inch size which has that 120hz. My Westinghouse has a line in it after 4 months and when lookng at othe tv like samsung and sony the quality difference is very noticable imo. Your info helped so right now i think im going with the 32 inch 550 Samsung. I do some light ps3 gaming but i watch more dvd/ blu ray and cable tv more than anything
 

phillyman36

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One more question. How many of you have your tv sets to fill the full screen so there is no black 4x3 cropped image? I dont want any burn in /image retention so i guess im suppose to make sure the image fills the screen?
 

phillyman36

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Originally posted by: Shadowknight
LCD's don't get burn in, so you needn't worry about that.


Thats what i thought until the thin black line from the top to the bottom of my Westinghouse 32 inch lcd appeared after only 4 months of watching it an average amount of 6 hours a day. The best buy techs exact words were people think that lcd dont get burn in but they do and even with the extended warranty i brought they wont fix it
 

Baked

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Note to self: don't buy cheap LCD TV made by westinghouse.

I've 2 LCD TVs in the house right now, both made by Sharp, both are about a year old. We watch maybe 4 hours of TV a day, no burn in stamps.

What exactly were you watching that's causing the burn in stamp?
 

phillyman36

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Originally posted by: Baked
Note to self: don't buy cheap LCD TV made by westinghouse.

I've 2 LCD TVs in the house right now, both made by Sharp, both are about a year old. We watch maybe 4 hours of TV a day, no burn in stamps.

What exactly were you watching that's causing the burn in stamp?

In the morning i get up and put ABC world news on for about an hour. Then when i get home from work the tv is on from 2pm until about 8pm. Im watching regular network stations abc,cbs fox etc ect. My cable company is comcast and their digital feeds of network station are 4x3, picture in the middle with all black on the sides.
This isnt an image from my tv as my camera phone quality isnt good but this is where the line is the bottom picture is how i usually watch it

http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=croppedmu0.jpg
 

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I have comcast too, and I have the digital cable box w/ HD programming as well. Yes some channels have black bars on the side, but they shouldn't cause burn in. Something's wrong w/ your TV.
 

phillyman36

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Originally posted by: Baked
I have comcast too, and I have the digital cable box w/ HD programming as well. Yes some channels have black bars on the side, but they shouldn't cause burn in. Something's wrong w/ your TV.


EXACTLY. Baked I have been arguing with Best Buy for almost a week and they still wont wont fix or replace the tv even thought I brought the extended warranty. These are the steps that best buy screwed me


1) Sales guy said between lcd and plasmas lcd dont have burn in. (well it did)
2) Sales tech said buy warranty if anything goes wrong it get fixed or replaced which i would never buy a plasma or lcd without a warranty (well they arent fixing anything)

3 tech came out and said they cant fix nor replace (ive seen other threads were people got theirs replaced)

4)called again next day to complain and sent email lady said she would put in notes to either fix it or replace and someone would call me to set it up (they didnt got an email saying that my tv cant be fixed and they would refund me the warranty pro rated what about my other 500 bucks)

sorry for the rant but everyone who is buying a tv make sure you do your homework




 

Baked

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That's just piss poor service on BB's part. There's no reason why they can't just replace the TV entirely if the repair cost is high. Did you read the fine print on the warranty and the limitation of the repair. And have you taken the complain to the BB store manager?
 

Javichal

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The phenomenon is called "image sticking" or image retention. It results from charge buildup within the liquid crystals due to showing the same pattern over long periods of time -- sort of like a rubber band that's been stretched for too long -- and is reversible, unlike burn-in which is permanent. However, it takes some know-how in reversing the effect. For computer monitors, the best advice is to reverse the color of your desktop (i.e. yellow => blue, etc.) for a few hours; for TVs, I guess the best would be if the black bars are replaced with white bars, but that's probably difficult to arrange. Otherwise, try an all-white screen, or not have the bars in the first place to prevent having a prolonged black area. The black bars would best be replaced with gray bars (so that the average brightness is about the same as the average brightness of what you're watching) but that option varies by manufacturer.

Looking around online, there's a website that describes the effect:

http://www.practical-home-thea...om/image-sticking.html
 
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