<<Respect that u came back. Takes big person to admit error. Most would just let the thread fade gracefully into oblivion.>>
Now I like debating, thats for sure. And debating does not include escaping reality and Im sticking to that. If Im wrong, I admit it, no hard feelings. I learn by my mistakes and next time I'll be smarter when I get into a situation similar to this.
<<When I first started learning about PCs, was misled by ppl who talked like they knew what they were talking about, but (in reality) were simply talking out their arse's. Cost me money (that I work hard for). So maybe I'm a bit sensitive to bs (talking about things u don't know about, like u do). I don't usually drive the point home so hard .. unless someone is defending an obviously weak position, and refuses to admit it. Influencing how ppl spend their hard-earned money is not something that should be taken lightly.>>
I agree. But just to let you know Im not a person that likes to fool around with your hard earned money when I make recommendations. I, myself, is a very poor person barely built this machine so I can enjoy this debate. When I make recommendations I always look at whats best for the money, I know what sucks and what doesnt, thats why I avoid Abit motherboards. I use to be very zealous about Intel, but realized that its wrong, so I dont tell people to buy P3s anymore because it's not worth your hard earned money. Like I said Im not the most knowledgable guy, nor the most intelligent, nor the most experienced. Im just happy that I visited my friend who works at a computer shop so I got a chance to work with CUSL2 and 815EPro, we built a few machines with those boards and we found out that the MSI worked better.
<<(I think) ppl should try to limit their replies to what they *know* (for sure) at these forums. First-hand experience is always superior to 2nd-hand knowlwdge. Hard to know something with any real depth if u don't spend some time with it. Obvious point to me. If I comment on something I don't know for sure, I'll preface with, "I don't actually have one, but this is what I heard .." .. so the readers know I'm not talking about 1st-hand experience.>>
But its NOT what I heard, it's what I experienced, even if the experience was brief it still counts. I do agree 1st hand is always better than 2nd hand. But it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out which board works better right out of the box. Now think about it, do Anandtechs own those boards? Do other web sites who reviewed these products also own them? Probably not since the products were given to them. Do they spend months and experiment with them before writing the review? No. Your point is only owners who have spent a lot of time with the product are qualitied to comment or make recommendations? That would make this forum mighty boring considering many people only have experience with a few certain hardware. Again I believe everyone who's had some experience should comment(well of course we dont want BS from somebody whos totally talk out of their ars), I was merely stating what I experience and my point of view, and I figured the MSI would be better for his money.
<<Take the Iiyama Vision Master Pro 450, for example .. you know, the one with the DiamondTron NF tube? the 300MHz dot clock? 1920x1440 max rez? recommended rez of 1600x1200 @85Hz? with 5BNC connectors?>>
Yea, my counter example was the
Samsung SyncMaster 900NF, DiamondTron NF tube, the 240MHz pixel frequency, 2048x1536@69Hz max rez, recommended rez of 1600x1200 @85Hz(89Hz max), with 5BNC connectors, and a price tag of $150 lower than Iiyama.
Pricewatch: Iiyama VisionMaster 450 Pro -$602
Onvia.com(didnt have Iiyama): Samsung SyncMaster 900NF -$445
<<Know the one? I have this monitor. So I feel qualified to talk about it with folks who wanna know what's sup with it. I would never say that it's better than another monitor, cuz it's the *only* one I have. But, since I've had this monitor since it first came out in Dec, '97 (~2 yrs ago) I (obviously) know it pretty well. It's a beautiful monitor, and would be a shame to see someone miss out on such a sweet piece of hardware cuz somebody bad mouths it. Catch my drift?>>
Great, Im glad you bought yourself a good monitor. You sure are qualitied to talk about it and people should respect your comments because you're a 1st hand owner. While I may not be an owner of the Iiyama, but that doesnt mean I should not comment. I have full knowledge of what Im talking about, I have seen both Iiyama and Samsung, in fact a lot because Fry's is right across my street. Now Im can't provide info on how reliable they are or the kinds of problems they have because I dont have any long time experience with them. But I can tell you which is a better buy base on the sources I gathered. Specwise they're almost identical, image quality wise they're equal because both have DiamondTron NF tube. Warranty, well, I dont know about the Iiyama but I know for a fact that the Samsung one is very good. Pricewise, well you know what I mean, $150 difference. It is clear to me that Samsung is a much better buy than Iiyama for your hard earned money. Does it take an owner to figure that out? I dont think so. Unless you own both monitors, my suggstion will be as good as yours.