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JMWarren

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Hmm, I thought there had been a few studies done that showed microwaves destroyed a higher percentage of anti-oxidants than regular cooking?

EDIT: Just looked up the study and it doesn't really seem to be any worse than boiling....
 

BudAshes

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Originally posted by: ironwing
6. Hippopotamuses can not be placed in a microwave oven. They are too big.

You forgot something key here; baby hippos!

10 minutes in the micro and you got some delicious hippo ready to eat.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: quasi
Yes, and a book does not fall under my primary source requirement, but thanks for reading the thread. :roll:

I didn't need anyone's help to research the topic, but I'd rather not BS an interview (not because I'm lazy, but I do have some morals).

If you people want to continue to bitch at me because I have a low post count and ask about something school-related, which obviously means I'm lazy and unwilling to do some work myself, I'll gladly send my paper to you (not that it would change anything).

Did you know that books can often contain primary sources in them?

Who in the hell asks an internet forum questions to satisfy a primary source requirement for a project? You may as well ask the homeless bum off of the street these questions. How are you going to cite it? How are you going to show that the person you're citing is an expert in the field, or an authority on the subject?
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Since when is a book not a primary source? Perhaps the OP could post the actual instructions for this project.
 

DrPizza

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Re: several people said that you can't put conductors (i.e. metal) inside a microwave. That's incorrect. In fact, I have an older microwave that I salvaged in my classroom. The entire inside of the microwave is lined with metal (stainless steel, I believe.) What you can't have in the microwave is a really thin piece of metal, or sharp pointy metal. These will result in arcing. But, a larger smooth piece of metal has little effect.

Example: Get a cup of campbell's soup - the kind in the microwave dish. The rim is metallic.
Get a metal ball, i.e. a ball from a pinball game. Put it in the microwave with a bowl of water. Cook the water. When you're done, the water will be hot, the ball won't be.

BUT, there is something to the conductor thing: Here's one of my favorite experiments: get a grape. Slice it in half, but not completely through the skin, so you can fold it open and leave the two halves attached; sort of like a pair of bongo drums. Place in the microwave and set the timer for about 20 seconds. This doesn't work well if you have a turntable inside the microwave; remove the turntable. Also, it takes a little experimenting to find a "hot spot" to place the grape at.

If you search the internet, I'm certain you can find videos of a grape in a microwave...

Also, you can check for leaks using a small fluorescent light bulb. (Although, I'm not sure how severe the leak has to be.)
 

Rubycon

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The problem with most metals is they can cause arcing which can start fires. A fork in a microwave will not short it out rendering it useless as some believe. :laugh:

If an oven is leaking sufficiently to light a fluorescent lamp it should be unplugged!

This guy likes to microwave everything BUT food. :Q
 

uberman

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In the movie "The Core" the earth's electromagnetic field was disrupted and the microwaves cooked and melted the Golden Gate Bridge. See Picture.

Golden Gate Bridge Microwaved

"The Core" is used as an example of bad science. It's not possible, but could be cited as an example of bad science.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: uberman
In the movie "The Core" the earth's electromagnetic field was disrupted and the microwaves cooked and melted the Golden Gate Bridge. See Picture.

Golden Gate Bridge Microwaved

"The Core" is used as an example of bad science. It's not possible, but could be cited as an example of bad science.
The first hint is that the digging thing is made of "unobtanium."

 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: uberman
In the movie "The Core" the earth's electromagnetic field was disrupted and the microwaves cooked and melted the Golden Gate Bridge. See Picture.

Golden Gate Bridge Microwaved

"The Core" is used as an example of bad science. It's not possible, but could be cited as an example of bad science.

Ugh. There were so many things wrong with that movie it wasn't funny. Especially how they got power for the ship at the very end by attaching two wires to the hull! :laugh:
 

uberman

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: uberman
In the movie "The Core" the earth's electromagnetic field was disrupted and the microwaves cooked and melted the Golden Gate Bridge. See Picture.

Golden Gate Bridge Microwaved

"The Core" is used as an example of bad science. It's not possible, but could be cited as an example of bad science.

Ugh. There were so many things wrong with that movie it wasn't funny. Especially how they got power for the ship at the very end by attaching two wires to the hull! :laugh:

Actually, I read a review in this book "Hollywood Science." It gives good tips on Science Fiction Classics to rent from Netflix.

Science Fiction in Hollywood

 

Eli

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You people saying that a microwave doesn't strip food of nutrients are wrong.


The act of cooking something in general strips food of nutrients, especially when talking about plant matter.

And who said that a microwave emits photons?

Originally posted by: Eeezee
I don't believe any of the posts have well-answered the quesitons. I gave a lecture on magnetrons and microwaves last year for an upper division undergraduate E&M course at my university, so I should be able to shed some light on this subject.
<snip>

Photons?

Hmm.. I have never heard of this, and furiously googling has not provided me with any answers.

I will assume you know what you're talking about tho. More info appreciated.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Eli
And who said that a microwave emits photons? :laugh:


Um, they do.

Microwave radiation = electromagnetic radiation = photons, more or less.

 

Red Squirrel

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Do a youtube search on "is it a good idea to microwave this?" Hours of educative fun. If you try any of these make sure it's not your own microwave.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Eli
And who said that a microwave emits photons? :laugh:


Um, they do.

Microwave radiation = electromagnetic radiation = photons, more or less.
Bah, see my edit. I've just never heard it put like that before. All electromagnetic radiation is photons?

That makes sense. I just wasn't thinking correctly. Damn those wave like particles.

I've honestly never thought about it before. I was thinking that a microwaves output was more like radio waves.

Edit: But they're part of the electromagnetic spectrum too, correct? So does my radio receive photons?

Clearly I don't know much about this.
 

Rubycon

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Of course they emit photons. Unless the bulb is burned out. Then you cannot see anything! :laugh:
 

Paperdoc

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Eeezee's answer got it almost all right. I don't design microwave ovens. But 40 years ago I did research in Physical Chemistry using microwaves to measure molecular properties, so I know the underlying reason that the ovens work.

Molecules naturally rotate in space. Moreover, some parts of molecules also rotate with respect to the rest of the moleulce, and this usually is faster because the parts are smaller than the whole molecule. Now, moleulces are composed of many atoms linked together by sharing electrons in bonds, but the sharing is not always equal - some atoms pull electrons to themselves harder than others. The result is that in many molecules there is an uneven distribution of electons, and the moleule has an "electric dipole". That is, one end tends to be more positive, and the other end more negative. This is NOT the same as ions. Now we put those dipolar molecues into a rotating electric field, and the dipoles will try to line themselves up with the field. Well, more precisely, they are tumbling around anyway. But if the frequency of the applied field is very similar to the rotational frequency of the molecule anyway, the field will temporarily couple with the molcule to make it align a little better. In doing so the field does work on the molecule (by applying a torque force over a non-zero distance), thus increasing the molecule's rotational energy. Now, both rotational and linear vibrational energy are the forms we experience as the heat in an object, so increasing rotational energy means it gets hotter.

It happens that the natural rotational frequency of many small- to medium-sized organic molcules in the liquid state is between 1 and 10 GHz. That is called the microwave region because the wavelengths are 30 to 3 cm. For smaller parts (substituent groups in organic chemical parlance) the frequency may be up into the 50 GHz region (6 mm wavelength). For liquid water it's from 0.5 to 2 GHz. So if you apply an electric field at microwave frequencies to water and food, the molecules will absorb energy from the applied field and get hot.

Let me add a few things to others' posts.

6. Not in a microwave oven - mostly metals for two reasons. One is that they will get hot from the electric currents induced in them. But that can actually be used - there's a thin film of metal in the bottom of microwave popcorn bags. But the other problem is that they generate reflected microwave signals in the oven, and those reflections can upset the operation of the magnetron tube with the possibility of damaging it.

7. Hotspots also can result from different food components. For example, fats are very good at absorbing microwaves and getting hot. But they do not boil off as steam when they reach 100 C, so they can actually get much hotter than that.

9. Efficiency. Microwave absorption by food is complete - 100% of the microwave energy output from the magnetron is absorbed by the food. BUT the magnetron tube itself is less than 50% efficient in converting household electricity to microwaves. So compared to a conventional oven (which converts 100% of its electricity supply to infrared heat), the microwave oven is is less efficient when operating, but it may operate over a much shorter time. You may use it for 2 minutes to heat up a burger, but you'd never heat that burger in a regular oven in only 4 minutes. On the other hand, if you're cooking a roast for an hour in a microwave vs. 3 hours in a regular oven (regular ovens do not run their heating elements all the time), the microwave oven uses up more electrical energy.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Eli
And who said that a microwave emits photons? :laugh:


Um, they do.

Microwave radiation = electromagnetic radiation = photons, more or less.
Bah, see my edit. I've just never heard it put like that before. All electromagnetic radiation is photons?

That makes sense. I just wasn't thinking correctly. Damn those wave like particles.

I've honestly never thought about it before. I was thinking that a microwaves output was more like radio waves.

Edit: But they're part of the electromagnetic spectrum too, correct? So does my radio receive photons?

Clearly I don't know much about this.

Yes, all EM radiation is photons. Photons are the carriers of the electromagnetic force! Your radio receives photons, your cell phone emits + receives photons... they're simply everywhere and have all sorts of wavelengths. Most electromagnetic radiation is harmless... high energy stuff can be nasty (cosmic rays, gamma rays) due to ionizing effects. Even so, your body is being showered with cosmic rays from space all the time.

Microwaves create long wavelength photons. People like to associate these photons with X-rays and other short wavelength photons, but they are really quite different. Long wavelength photons have much less energy than, say, an X-ray photon. They're essentially harmless. At worse, they can be used to warm you up a little (and I've read some health studies suggesting a higher chance of developing vision problems if you have a leaky microwave).
 
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