Questions- RDRAM vs. DDR RAM, Pentium 4 vs. Athlon

Flightsim

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I am thinking about building a new computer, but I can't decide on what type of CPU and memory to use. I plan to use my computer mostly for gaming, so how much RAM will I need, and which is better- RDRAM or DDR? I know that RDRAM isn't very popular and tends to be more expensive than DDR, but does this mean it is better? Also, is a Pentium 4 CPU really better than the latest Athlon CPU's? Athlon CPU's are usually cheaper, and I don't want to spend extra money unless it will really make a difference. I would appreciate any reply and thanks in advance.
 

Adul

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if you go with a p4, rdram is the best for it.

Depends if you want to overclock or not.

p4 1.6a is popular to overclock to 2.4 ghz speeds and have one of the fastest pcs you can have.

If you dont overclock then an athlon XP 1800+ is a nice sweet spot. it retails for just above 100 bucks, and will run todays game just fine when coupled with a geforce ti4200.

i suggest 512MB of ram if you ran windows XP has the OS.( I would suggest that OS to)
 

Hendrik

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rdram and DDR is about the same price now

No, they're not. As of today, 256 MB of RDRAM cost you between $80-100, whereas 256 MB of Crucial RAM are just $40 @ Newegg.
 

MadRat

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PC600 RDRAM is about the same price as DDR266, and PC800 is about the same price as DDR333, and finally PC1066 is about the same price as DDR400.
 

Modus

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The choice between RDRAM and DDR only applies to P4 systems; Athlon-based systems don't support RDRAM.

On the P4, RDRAM has consistently edged out DDR in performance. But DDR memory controllers are constantly improving, to the point where the DDR333 SiS 645 could challenge the PC800 RDRAM i850, and the new VIA P4X333 and i845G almost match the i850 with PC1066 RDRAM. The trade-off for this extra ~5% RDRAM speed boost is more expensive motherboards and memory. Pricewatch currently lists RDRAM at over twice the cost of DDR. PC1066 RDRAM is also quite scarce, though most current PC800 modules should overclock to that speed.

If you do get a P4, the added cost of RDRAM and a supporting board is probably not worth the miniscule performance difference. Anand called it "intangible", which is true, except when the bill arrives. Pick up a good VIA P4X333 board and pop in some PC2700 DDR. Or wait for the i845G to make it into motherboards.

If you're looking for the highest possible performance, the P4 is on top at the moment with 2.4 GHz chips readily available, while AMD maxes out with the Athlon XP 2100+. Of course, seeking the highest possible performance is invariably foolish because of the innordinate cost incurred. For example, the P4/2.4 costs exactly twice as much as the P4/2.0, yet is hardly 15% faster. Unless you have some urgent life-saving need for that extra 15%, you're better off saving the cash for an even faster CPU down the road. What really matters is value -- bang per buck. In this department, the Athlon remains stronger.

The Athlon XP and the P4 Northwood (the one with 512k cache) are roughly equal at speed grades -- that is, an XP/1600+ is as fast as a P4/1600. Right now, the P4/1600 is the same price as an XP/1900+. Unless you plan to overclock, the Athlon XP is clearly the better choice.

If you do overclock, the decision becomes more complicated. The P4/1600 is all but guaranteed to hit 2000, yet the XP/1900 can also hit that performance level. Many P4/1600's have reached 2400, but an XP/1900 could also reach 2300 (1866 MHz) with some extra effort. One issue to consider is that the P4's multiplier is locked, meaning that overclocking requires raising the FSB to very high levels. This improves performance but can render sensitive peripherals unstable. The Athlon XP can be unlocked to keep the FSB steady. All in all, an overclocking system would be well served by either processor.

Modus
 

oldfart

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P4's multiplier is locked, meaning that overclocking requires raising the FSB to very high levels. This improves performance but can render sensitive peripherals unstable
Most every decent i845x board locks the PCI/AGP@ 33/66. High FSB speeds are no longer an issue. Be sure to choose a board that has that feature.
The P4/1600 is all but guaranteed to hit 2000,
Its actually closer to 2200. 2400 is pretty easy also. Once you get past that, it may take a little work and a little luck (a good chip). BTW, this is all done with a stock HS/Fan. No need to add in a $40 - $50 often noisy cooling setup.
 

SteelCityFan

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Originally posted by: Hendrik
rdram and DDR is about the same price now

No, they're not. As of today, 256 MB of RDRAM cost you between $80-100, whereas 256 MB of Crucial RAM are just $40 @ Newegg.

Yes, but only if you are talking 266 DDR or lower. Who wants to run sloooow Ram when there are plenty of DDR333 boards available.

...and 256MB of RDRAM is $83 on googlegear for Samsung. Quite a distance from $100.

 

oldfart

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Thanks for the clarification, Oldfart.
You are welcome! It is so easy to overclock one of these setups (with the right components) it's almost silly. Reminds me of the old 300A @ 450 days.
 

wfbberzerker

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looking at a price standpoint, i would definitely have to choose an athlon over a p4. although the gap between the two processors is widening a bit, athlon still has the lead in price/performance ratio. however, if you choose a p4, i would recommend using ddr-ram over rdram, as the performance difference between the two isnt very big, and you will save a lot of money using ddr.
 

microAmp

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Originally posted by: Hendrik
rdram and DDR is about the same price now

No, they're not. As of today, 256 MB of RDRAM cost you between $80-100, whereas 256 MB of Crucial RAM are just $40 @ Newegg.

You also have to buy RDRAM in pairs, so 2x256 MB RDRAM (Samsung) $83x2= $166 ; or 2x256 MB DDR PC2700 (Samsung) 2x $75.00 = $150; or 1 x 512 MB (Samsung) $148

Just a hair of difference.....

 
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