R260/270/280/290/290x Review thread

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BallaTheFeared

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Still means the R290X has more horsepower.

I think after seeing the specs most of us expected it to do well at 4k, the problem with 4k is it doesn't matter.

Hopefully the card is well balanced and continues this trend downward to resolutions that actually matter.

That said I'm still very elated that AMD has seemingly finally caught Nvidia on a node, sad it isn't going to create the revenue GK110 did but it's still good to see. Hopefully AMD continues this mentality going forward.
 

TerryMathews

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I think after seeing the specs most of us expected it to do well at 4k, the problem with 4k is it doesn't matter.

Hopefully the card is well balanced and continues this trend downward to resolutions that actually matter.

That said I'm still very elated that AMD has seemingly finally caught Nvidia on a node, sad it isn't going to create the revenue GK110 did but it's still good to see. Hopefully AMD continues this mentality going forward.

The thing with resolution is that it doesn't matter until it does.

I remember when 1080p didn't matter. And 1440p.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Considering how little market share 1440/1600 have, and the price difference (1440 is gaining with cheap Korean panels) it's unlikely $3,500 panel performance numbers will matter in the typical life cycle of a high end product such as this.

I should add I'm not trying to detract from AMD here. A win is a win, I just don't feel the numbers we've seen so far are significant. If it continues to do this down to 1600/1440/1080 and has enough OC headroom to combat the 780 which has a pretty decent amount in its own right... Well that is what matters, at least to me, so IMO
 
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GaiaHunter

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Considering how little market share 1440/1600 have, and the price difference (1440 is gaining with cheap Korean panels) it's unlikely $3,500 panel performance numbers will matter in the typical life cycle of a high end product such as this.

I doubt that the performance of the R290X will be inferior to the GTX780 at lower resolutions if these 4K numbers are accurate.

The performance gap might be smaller as the R290X is bottlenecked.

A similar situation to CPUs performing very close when in GPU limited situations while in lower resolutions differences are bigger.
 

BallaTheFeared

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A similar situation to CPUs performing very close when in GPU limited situations while in lower resolutions differences are bigger.


I wouldn't call that similar at all, more like a Haswell processor might destroy a Ivy Bridge processor in AVX with support for AVX2 and FMA3, but is only 10% faster in legacy code.

Apples to Oranges.

Design differences may get AMD a greater advantage at 4k, but the only reason that would shrink is because of the design itself that gave it the advantage in the first place.
 

GaiaHunter

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I wouldn't call that similar at all, more like a Haswell processor might destroy a Ivy Bridge processor in AVX with support for AVX2 and FMA3, but is only 10% faster in legacy code.

Apples to Oranges.

Design differences may get AMD a greater advantage at 4k, but the only reason that would shrink is because of the design itself that gave it the advantage in the first place.

That is because you chose to pick oranges and apples.

Now, going back to what I was talking about.



A 14% difference between the 4770K and the 8350 at 1024x768 becomes a 3% at 1920x1200.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Which has nothing to do with why the R290 might be faster at 4k but not quite as fast at 1600, there will be no cpu limitation to slow down R290 at 1600 for most tests because most testers are using 4.6-4.8GHz processors which are not bottlenecking the gpu in either case.

Your example is pointless and has nothing to do with what causes the i7 to be faster at low res than it is at high res.

If you could add infinite GPU power the i7 would have the same performance advantage at 600p as it would at 4k.
 
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chimaxi83

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Yeah, it's quite possible the gap shrinks as we get down to resolutions we actually care about. I still see 290x leading though (until 780Ti). Need those reviews asap.
 

GaiaHunter

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Which has nothing to do with why the R290 might be faster at 4k but not quite as fast at 1600, there will be no cpu limitation to slow down R290 at 1600 for most tests because most testers are using 4.6-4.8GHz processors which are not bottlenecking the gpu in either case.

Your example is pointless and has nothing to do with what causes the i7 to be faster at low res than it is at high res.

So what would be limiting it then?
 

BallaTheFeared

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So what would be limiting it then?

The uarch/design itself, as I stated previously.

Meaning, if the extra ROP/Bandwidth power is giving the R290 a slight advantage at 4k, moving down to 1600p the demand on those parts will not be as great. Then other aspects of the uarch come into play, such as TMU and Shader power. If these don't have more power than what is offered by the 780 than the gap will shrink significantly.

Look at it another way.

Assuming the GTX 780 is ROP/Bandwidth limited in its performance at 4k, than it is the fault of the uarch/design itself for that resolution. The shader/TMU are not operating at their peak potential because the they can not be properly fed by the ROPs/Bandwidth allotted to them.


AMD wants to make R290X a 4k card, because of its design. Its advantage in ROPs and Bandwidth are seen clearly at 4k, most likely the waters will muddy at lower resolutions where the bottleneck becomes the TMUs/Shaders.
 
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Rvenger

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AMD wants to make R290X a 4k card, because of its design. Its advantage in ROPs and Bandwidth are seen clearly at 4k, most likely the waters will muddy at lower resolutions where the bottleneck becomes the TMUs/Shaders.



But the performance will still be more than acceptable at the lower resolutions. It may lose a couple % or trade blows at the worst.
 

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Considering how little market share 1440/1600 have, and the price difference (1440 is gaining with cheap Korean panels) it's unlikely $3,500 panel performance numbers will matter in the typical life cycle of a high end product such as this.
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Depends, and we need to find out at some point. There's those who buy one high-end card every 5 or so years in the hope the next one lasts an eternity, and there's others buying a handful high-end cards per year.
 

rgallant

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all I have to say the last few posts re high res don't matter is base on what 5 year old console ports used in the benches .
come ps4-xbone for my money I think 4 k high res. is a good indication of a cards horse power that might be useful in the next gen of ports or maybe not depending on the port gods.
 

taq8ojh

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all I have to say the last few posts re high res don't matter is base on what 5 year old console ports used in the benches .
come ps4-xbone for my money I think 4 k high res. is a good indication of a cards horse power that might be useful in the next gen of ports or maybe not depending on the port gods.
Excuse me? I can't understand anything you wrote.
 

krumme

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Excuse me? I can't understand anything you wrote.

Many benchmarks is on old engines intended for consoles. The point is the 4k bm could be a better representive of the comming games 2014.

I think its a very good point. I mean what is the meaning of testing ue on 1080p with a brand new highend card? Its wrong. I think its good reasoning to think many rops will be more beneficial gaming 2014.

It also means there is reason to beliewe the difference between 280 and 290 will enlarge. Historically thats what have happened. Like eg. 6850 vs 7850 difference. Have a look at AT bench for 2012 to 2013.
 

UaVaj

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Still means the R290X has more horsepower.

correction. you are referring to memory bandwidth power.
reason why R290X is winning at 4k resolution is due to the higher memory bandwidth. not necessary the gpu.

so until launch date. horse power (aka gpu power) will remain a mystery.
with a more typical and lower resolution of 1920x1080p and 2560x1440p where memory bandwidth have lesser effect. we will find just out how much hawaii has to offer.
 

VulgarDisplay

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Possible Crossfire performance leaked out. If true, that scaling is disgusting in its efficiency.

Also difference between Uber/quiet modes looks negligible.

http://videocardz.com/46990/amd-radeon-r9-290x-crossfire-performance-leaks

As others have stated the Uber mode is likely for user tweaking. the clocks are likely the exact same as the ones in Quiet mode which is why there is negligable difference in the benchmarks. I would imagine that the few benchmarks that do show an improvement are due to the card not throttling in uber mode to maintain thermals.
 

chimaxi83

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As others have stated the Uber mode is likely for user tweaking. the clocks are likely the exact same as the ones in Quiet mode which is why there is negligable difference in the benchmarks. I would imagine that the few benchmarks that do show an improvement are due to the card not throttling in uber mode to maintain thermals.

Ah, that makes sense. Probably unlocked voltage or something.
 
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