Is the 290X reference fan the same as the 7970? Which is also the same as the 7950, right?
Or is this one louder than the 7900 cards with all three at 100%?
Or is this one louder than the 7900 cards with all three at 100%?
290X 1250/1650 1.3v on water
First I've seen of end user water results, personally I expect more tbh.
R290X so far hasn't enjoyed any significant clock speed advantage with water, it seems to be core limited by voltage and even with lower temps it isn't gaining much in the way of MHz.
I'll continue to watch as it plays out, but right now my stack looks like R290X < 780 < Titan < vmod 780 < vmod Titan (overall performance).
Presumably we'll have to add the GTX 780 Ti in there as well, and the R290 will play a key role because I think it will be close enough to the R290X and Reference 780 that it will become the price/perf choice going forward for the small group of users that pay $500 for video cards and think of price/perf first and foremost.
However the more I see, the less it seem the GTX 780 is overpriced, maybe -30 on reference and -20 on non reference? R290X doesn't come with a triple A title, and with the shortage of cards from AMD the price is going up on the R290X. From what I've seen 780 reference/AM are faster than R290X on water, and 780 vmod with 1.3 using AM like Classified or HOF are a step above even that.
As far as Mantle and BF4, G-Sync seems like a more than effective counter going forward. Granted you have to pay extra for G-Sync and obtain a new monitor but more fps locked in to the monitor refresh rate seems like a step backwards compare to less fps but smoother tear free animation on screen without the input lag.
Interesting choices to be made, for sure.
However the price different isn't all it has been cracked up to be. The R290X is $586 shipped without any games, while the GTX 780 is roughly $650 with an aftermarket cooler and Batman AO.
$579.99 - $59.99 = $520 + shipping. Let's try and mention Battlefield 4 that all 290X's sold so far have included.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is still input lag with Gsync due to the latency of the complex chip module and all.. it would probably hold true that the only way to truly remove input lag is to completely disable Vsync altogether.
Also, let's just wait and see how well the 290X performs with aftermarket cooling and water cooling before crossing the bridges.. It could very well be another Fermi for you. Keep in mind that the memory chips are rated at 6Gbps - it can be overclocked further, but one review says that it has to be overclocked after launching the game for this to work. The scaling at 512-bit bus is 33% greater than at 384-bit, so 6000MHz vs 5000Mhz is exactly like going from 6000Mhz to a whopping 8000MHz on the memory for Titan or GTX 780.
$579.99 - $59.99 = $520 + shipping. Let's try and mention Battlefield 4 that all 290X's sold so far have included.
Of course, it's your job to say that "AMD blew this"..
At least it's better than nothing. AMD gave us the biggest chip in their (and ATI's) history. They gave us something considerably faster than 7970GE at the same launch price as the original 7970. It only consumes a few more watts, and actually runs quieter in quiet mode.
And it actually beats GTX 780 at full stock "Boost 2.0" clock (higher than the officially stated Boost clock) overall. Just think of how well this beast would do with aftermarket cooling solutions that keep the temperature in check (~80C, dramatically reducing power leakage and noise and giving even better performance than Uber mode with reference cooling - likely beating Titan at max Boost 2.0 clock).
Plus it gives NV greater incentive to deliver more at competitive prices.
And that BF4 (the hottest title this year by far) has near-infinitely better replay value than Batman:AO - mainly a single player game... to Balla, Balla, Balla...
It is said to reduce input lag, there will still be input lag though, just less of it.
I'm seeing them now, go to OCN or any of the other overclocking sites people have had them for a day or two under water already.
You can already see people having issues with minor memory overclocks, and the water MHz aren't going high enough even with ASUS bios and 1.3v.
You're right I hadn't noticed that almost all models that went on sale list BF4 with them.
So $520 for reference, or $600 for 780 AM.
Oops - I meant 7600Mhz, not 8000Mhz for the GK110.. just tired today, is all!
One reviewer found that there are problems with overclocking the memory in quiet mode vs uber mode. I guess if they still want it to be quiet, they could just switch on the uber mode, and then limit the fan speed to 40% like in quiet mode?
"2. Everyone agrees you have to immediately spend money on a new cooler"
Where in there does it say what you think it says?
Custom cards will show up, AMD has a different relationship with its AIB partners than Nvidia. Custom coolers show up a bit later and pretty much completely replace reference designs.
In my defense I thought BF4 was for pre-orders only :|
As far as Call of Duty Battle Field 18, well I think that sums up my thoughts of EA let me release this DLC with the game release because we already have it but we want $10 more than the $60 we're already asking for 4 more maps.
BF4 popularity is overstated considerably, even on the PC, and it isn't even a footnote for consoles
But Arkham is the most popular game ever, right?
Most likely it's a IMC issue, like some Tahiti can do 1850Mhz, some can only do 1550MHz.
I haven't seen any R290Xs hit those numbers though except on the lower half.
Not that it will matter much at 1600p and lower, it already has a decent amount of bandwidth even at stock. The core not clocking up past 1250 on water though is of concern, since the shaders/tmus aren't nearly as powerful as the bus/rops.
I'm not saying this is the end all be all, but only of what I've seen so far that is where I see it sitting currently.
Well guys I am a little late to the R9 290X party. Nice performance for a 28nm GPU with a rather small die compared to nvidia's GK110. I'm not sure what air cooler is going to be able to keep Hawaii tamed while overclocked? I think the 450W Gigabyte windforce Rev 2.0 will be the only cooler up for the challenge, unless some new cooler desgins are implemented. The stock cooler is an embarrassment if you ask me and 95c ... whew... she's a hot one.
The aftermarket coolers will no doubt be 3 slots I imagine. No other way to get the temps down enough to keep acoustics under control.
That or they will be more than 12 inches long (Gigabyte John Holmes Edition )
Not even sure how the supply is limited, its 28nm, already years matured. Its not even a massive die.
Its sold out everywhere in Australia, too many ppl with water cooling setups snapping these up, the backlog is huge. I talked to a rep at the new-egg equivalent here in AUS, guy says order now, get it within a few weeks..
Temping... custom water cooling in a mITX Prodigy setup??
Temping... custom water cooling in a mITX Prodigy setup??
I noticed this straight away.....meh, what do I care, I certainly wouldn't want a card designed to run at 94c in my case, no matter what the performance is..
The review samples are all over the place because the this is the first time where the minimum sustained clock speed is based off of temperature, instead of being set at factory with fanspeed being used to compensate for temps at that set base.
I can find at least three different "base clock" guesses in reviews.
This means the GPU clock speed could increase from 1006MHz to 1.1GHz or 1.2GHz or potentially even higher. (Kyle saw a GTX 680 sample card reach over 1300MHz running live demos but it could not sustain this clock.)
Card is great. Hate the cooler and the engineers who put it there.
What are you talking about? That is not what he asked.
What he is saying is, AMD "should have" charged more money for the card and put a much better cooler on it. People would have paid it. I don't know man it just seems like AMD isn't confident enough that they could've gotten 599.00 for the card with a kick ass cooler on it. Performance speaks for itself in it's current crippled state so I could imagine, and I SURELY would have paid more for a better cooler. Card would have been even faster than it is.
Whole point. Acknowledge it.