R350 to outperform NV30

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Mem

Lifer
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Oh please. Nvidia has been a "top dog" for about 5 years, killing us with its monopoly.

And im happy that its all in the past now. Go ATI.


LOL.. nobody is forcing you to buy either Nvidia or ATi cards,the fact remains both ATI and Nvidia are always fighting for top spot,the fact that Nvidia up to now has had the edge is not important, also it was only a matter of time before ATi would get their turn ,most people buy a new video card because their old one is not fast enough for gaming not because they want the fastest card in town.


If you want to talk about top dog,I can remember before Nvidia was around but that means showing my age .

Btw if you read my previous post I said "no video card remains top dog " not brand .
 

rogue1979

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Originally posted by: majewski9
In my mind there is no real reason to buy a Nvidia card right now. ATI owns the top high end! They got the best card in the near top end of the market performance/price ratio with the 9500. The bottom low end they rule with the 9000. All of Nvidia's offerings the TI 4600, TI 4200, and the GFMX series are far inferior to the ATI solutions. Not only that but the ATI solutions are cheaper other than the 9700 series. Why buy a Nvidia card? I can buy a 9500 128 meg card for 160$ and even without modding it or ocing it is still better than anything Nvidia has @ 160.

At least Nvidia is doing real well in the Athlon chipset market!

Radeon does own the top end for now. I have both Radeon and Nvidia cards in the house, Radeon 9000, Radeon 8500 64MB, retail Radeon 8500 128MB, Geforce 4 Ti 4200 128MB and now a Radeon 9700 non-pro. I also had a Radeon 9500 128MB that failed the 9700 mod because of 3D corruption. I bought the Asus 8420 Deluxe GF4 with 128MB of BGA 3.3ns ram for $99 refurbished. I haven't tested the 9700 yet, but I like the GF4 more than the others, some of them costing much more. I am sure the 9700 will be faster, but using the Omega 1.1.82 Detonator driver the overall image quality is better than ATI's. At 300/640 using 1600 x 1200 no FSAA, the GF4 runs Unreal Tournament averaging 165 fps. Not sure if I need a faster video card yet, at these speeds image quality is my personal priority.

 

Auric

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The headline should be: Geforce FX is a turd! *CONFIRMED*

more info

NVIDIA has nothing. More important than their inability to claim the fastest card despite the addition of a vacuum cleaner is they have no competitive low or mid range products. The 4200 seems to be clinging precariously to a niche between the 8500 and 9500/Pro but that's about it. When are their new mainstream products going to be available?

BTW, always nice to see some new avatars. I might have to try out the clown for awhile, although nothing beats the mighty platypus
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Leon
The fact that the R350 at 400/800 would be able to outperform the NV30 at 500/1000 shows that the ATi design is a more efficient and smarter design

Let's twist is the other way. The fact that GeForce FX will outperform Radeon 9700, despite having 16Gb of bandwidth vs 19.6Gb on Radeon 9700 (128bit 500Mhz DDRII vs 256bit 310Mhz DDR) shows that Nvidia design is more efficient and smarter one.

you totally missed the point of this thread didn't you? We are comparing what the R350 will be to what the GFFX will be...not the 9700Pro because as we all know that if Nvidia's latest can't beat ATI's older design then something is f'ed up!
 

daywalker

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Originally posted by: Mem
Oh please. Nvidia has been a "top dog" for about 5 years, killing us with its monopoly.

And im happy that its all in the past now. Go ATI.


LOL.. nobody is forcing you to buy either Nvidia or ATi cards,the fact remains both ATI and Nvidia are always fighting for top spot

Correction: ATI was struggling & Nvidia didnt have a care in the world.

It is NOW that they are INDEED fighting
 

PliotronX

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*****CONFIRMED***** PlayStation 3 to be more powerful than Xbox, Nintendo announces GameCube 2 and will be faster than original GameCube!

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308nato

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Originally posted by: Auric
The headline should be: Geforce FX is a turd! *CONFIRMED*

more info

NVIDIA has nothing. More important than their inability to claim the fastest card despite the addition of a vacuum cleaner is they have no competitive low or mid range products. The 4200 seems to be clinging precariously to a niche between the 8500 and 9500/Pro but that's about it. When are their new mainstream products going to be available?

BTW, always nice to see some new avatars. I might have to try out the clown for awhile, although nothing beats the mighty platypus



Your confirming it as a turd based on these 2 benches? Botmatch being cpu limited they will all score the same. Flyby it has a roughly 30% advantage with their settings. It may very well be a turd, but, I'll wait for someone without a purple hat and red nose to inform me officially.

 

chizow

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
In other news: ATI R350: early details emerge...

Yup, looks like early summer 2003 if it's .15-micron or sometime after that if it's .13-micron. However, if it's just a core clock speed increase (as we suspected), then I can't see it defeating the GeForceFX, though it'll be in the ballpark probably.

That's a comment from someone reputable who we KNOW for a FACT has seen what the GF FX can do. I take that to be good news for those waiting on the GF FX

Chiz
 

Hockeyfan6781

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I know i've set it before but i truely think the NV35 due out in september, will be a souped up GFFX with a 256 memory controller....

wow tough crowd!!!! you ati fanboys are starting to really sound like the nintendo kids over in the gamespot forum, who argue with PS@ and XBOX owners....thinking your card will always be on top and nobody could ever make something better.... you guys really get offensive when somebody mentions something other than ati... you do know your arguing over 2 cards that arent even out yet.... WTF!!!!!
 

Gog

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Frankly speaking I don't see anything redundant about this thread... when the Radeon 8500 first came out, on paper it was supposed to wipe the floor with the Geforce 3, but did it? Absolutely not. It seems that the ball has been in ATi's court ever since it aquired ArtX.

Secondly the NV35 will definitely not have 256bit memory as it would require a serious revamping of the FX's memory architecture. When you think about it, it appears that NVidia was completely caught off guard by the R300 and had to make last minute changes to make the NV30 top it, ANYWAY possible. You could see this by simply checking out the monstrousity they call a heatsink/fan.
 

Ruckas

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What I've done since pentium2 300mhz days is the same. Probably will always be the same too. I purchase the card that's got all the technology for the newest game/s ((doom3) raedon 9500).) So that I'll be able to play the new stuff, AND! there's got to be an 'and' huh? I can play old school stuff with orgasmic quality. I've had Nvidia video cards since early p3 days. However it's my opinion that ATI is gonna smash nvidia. It's sad, because I've been an Nvidia whore almost all my adult life. Ati sucker punched them with the 9700. Now this r350 is gonna be the straw.. ATI does make some killer video cards though. Now if ATI were to smash Nvidia, we will all be paying atleast 400 bucks for the stripped down version of the best chip out. That said, I'd like them to keep fightning it out.

Ruckas-
 

tazdevl

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Cool, a paper product beat a yet unreleased product....in 8 of 10 tests no less. WooHoo

Technically the FX is a paper product as well. Your point is?
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: tazdevl
Originally posted by: rbV5
Cool, a paper product beat a yet unreleased product....in 8 of 10 tests no less. WooHoo

Technically the FX is a paper product as well. Your point is?

No, its not. There's working silicon all over the place right now, only reason for no benchies is an NDA. Reports that the cards have been in production have been circulating fro some time as well. R350 has taped out, but there are no working samples to speak of.

Chiz
 

bunnyfubbles

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I was hoping to get a good taste of nVidia with their replacement for the GF4, because judging from the past it seemed as if nVidia would easily be able to cook up something that could kick the sh!t out of the R300. I also thought that ATI would have to wait for its R400 before it would be able to give nVidia another chase, I never expected a refresh of the R350 to give the NV30 that chase with even the R300 close behind.

Then I found out about the 128 bit memory architecture of the NV30. The first thing that came to my mind was, "omg, wtf is nVidia thinking?" 500 MHz core and 500 MHz DDRII ("1000 MHz") does sound very impressive, the 256 bit architecture of the R300 is definately the win. No matter how memory efficient the NV30 is, I seriously don't see how it could possibly compete with the high memory bandwidths of the R300/R350. Sure, the GeForce FX will be extremely fast with low resolutions and low AA and AF, but I don't care about that, I want a card that will be able to push the high res and the high eyecandy and still obtain those respectable frame rates (60+). The moment I read about the 128 bit memory architecture, that moment was when I had some serious doubts about the GF FX.

While we can go back and see that the GeForce 2 Ultra and the GeForce 3 shared equal memory bandwidths, we do know which card was superior, even when the GeForce 3 GPU was clocked slower than the GF2 Ultra. In this case what will come of the GeForce FX when its core is far superior with inferior memory bandwidth?

I'm not counting the GF FX out yet, but I do have some serious doubts.

Whatever happens I think my next board will be ATI as I can see hope for nVidia to compete as far as performance goes, but not with price.
 

tazdevl

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Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: tazdevl
Originally posted by: rbV5
Cool, a paper product beat a yet unreleased product....in 8 of 10 tests no less. WooHoo

Technically the FX is a paper product as well. Your point is?

No, its not. There's working silicon all over the place right now, only reason for no benchies is an NDA. Reports that the cards have been in production have been circulating fro some time as well. R350 has taped out, but there are no working samples to speak of.

Chiz

Can you buy one? Can I? Right now. No. It's a paper product until it's in the hands of the consumers.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: tazdevl
Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: tazdevl
Originally posted by: rbV5
Cool, a paper product beat a yet unreleased product....in 8 of 10 tests no less. WooHoo

Technically the FX is a paper product as well. Your point is?

No, its not. There's working silicon all over the place right now, only reason for no benchies is an NDA. Reports that the cards have been in production have been circulating fro some time as well. R350 has taped out, but there are no working samples to speak of.

Chiz

Can you buy one? Can I? Right now. No. It's a paper product until it's in the hands of the consumers.

Wrong. Sounds like you are confusing paper product with paper launch. Once a product goes from the drawing board (hence paper) to working silicon (reality), it is no longer a paper product. And yes, you and I both can surely purchase it, right here. . If Nvidia had officially named a launch date of today, it would be a paper launch, but as of now it is neither. Its a very real product that will be on shelves shortly, but is nonetheless, not a paper product.

Chiz
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: PliotronX
*****CONFIRMED***** PlayStation 3 to be more powerful than Xbox, Nintendo announces GameCube 2 and will be faster than original GameCube!

REDUNDANT!!!

touchez!
 

Lonyo

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REMEMBER THERE IS AN R350 AND AN RV350!!!!!!


One is an update of the R300, faster clocks etc, that should be out beginning of March, the other (RV350) is going to be the next generation card that will come later in the year. Or at least that's what I thought was happening, correct me if I'm wrong, as I have seen both being talked about in terms of different cards and release dates.
 

Keysplayr

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It's only a paper product before it is benched.

You cant put a piece of paper in an AGP slot and run Quake 3 can you?

 

SectorZero

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I can't believe anyone would refer to the GF FX as "A work of art".

Let's face facts people, the GF FX is over volted, over clocked and has a ridiculus cooling solution on it.

Nvidia HAD to release it this way to be competitive with the 9700 pro.
Nvidia has had some truley superior and ground breaking products in the past, but the GF FX is not one of them.

People talk about how it will run future games, I wonder if a GF FX will survive long enough to play DooM 3, before it burns itself out.

I have no doubt that Nvidia will make a come back with the GF FX2, or what ever the next gen will be called. I'll skip this generation.
 

rogue1979

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Nvidia was the king of video cards for quite some time. The Radeon 9700 ended this abruptly, and now it looks like Nvidia is desperate and rushing to reclaim the crown with the Geforce FX. The R350 looks like it will put a stop to this. From the looks of the cooling system, the FX is already pushing close to the max and overclocking might not be very good. I have seen many people volt-modding their 9700 Pro's and running 450/750 or more, which is probably fast enough to beat a stock FX, even before you can buy one.

Nvidia lost this round, perhaps they can regain the performance title on the next try.
 
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