There is a lot more to a video card than just gaming. How about media capabilties? Image quality? How about 2nd quality on a flat panel or even good ole CRTS. There is a lot more to a video card than just gaming.
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: classy
Disappointing? It was a wash is Half-Life. Doom 3 went to Nvidia, Far Cry to Ati, and Nvidia did get the win in SC. It will come down to price. Plain and simple. But Nvidia doesn't have a commanding lead in performance.
When you consider the 7800GTX wins more benches than it loses, and the ones it loses are very close, I don't think ATI has a chance even if this card did launch a $125 below MSRP so it could compete on price.
The 7800GTX wins are more substantial, it's losses are much smaller percentage-wise.
If those benches are representative of R520 performance, you'd have to be on crack to buy one at the same price as a 7800GTX. Those benches merit a 10-15% price discount to justify purchase of this card.
Wait.
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Wait.
I wasn't going to buy one of these anyway (unless it absolutely kicked ass), so I don't need to wait. Don't you think I've done my part to help out the economy already? It's the red team's turn to empty their wallets now.
Didn't actually read through the thread, did we now?
Originally posted by: classy
Disappointing? It was a wash is Half-Life. Doom 3 went to Nvidia, Far Cry to Ati, and Nvidia did get the win in SC. It will come down to price. Plain and simple. But Nvidia doesn't have a commanding lead in performance.
Originally posted by: Therk
I am actually very suprised of how well a 16 piper does against a 24 piper. I would love to see a 24 piper R520 against a GTX
Originally posted by: ddogg
Originally posted by: classy
Disappointing? It was a wash is Half-Life. Doom 3 went to Nvidia, Far Cry to Ati, and Nvidia did get the win in SC. It will come down to price. Plain and simple. But Nvidia doesn't have a commanding lead in performance.
LOL you're talking about a win in Far Cry that was about 1fps!!! i dont think its a win there...but NV doesnt obviously have a commanding lead as the GTX wasnt double the speed of a 6800U.
Originally posted by: ddogg
Originally posted by: Therk
I am actually very suprised of how well a 16 piper does against a 24 piper. I would love to see a 24 piper R520 against a GTX
look at the difference in clockspeeds between the two cards....theres almost 200mhz between the two and the GTX is factory clocked at 1200MHz on the memory which can be bumped easily to 1300mhz. i would love to see a GTX clocked at 600/1400 against this.
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: ddogg
Originally posted by: Therk
I am actually very suprised of how well a 16 piper does against a 24 piper. I would love to see a 24 piper R520 against a GTX
look at the difference in clockspeeds between the two cards....theres almost 200mhz between the two and the GTX is factory clocked at 1200MHz on the memory which can be bumped easily to 1300mhz. i would love to see a GTX clocked at 600/1400 against this.
It's all apples and oranges. Why not apple to apple ?
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Again, you are assuming these performance numbers are accurate. There is zero way to verify this, at this time.
Making assumptions that there is nothing to "justify" the purchase of this card at this time and point is silly.
Of course this is true. However, if ATI is going to go on record as saying the results are false, why not produce their own benchmarks? Notice that ATI never said their benchmarks were better, just that thet weren't even close. No, I don't beleive that they are worse, I was simply making the point that ATI is spreading FUD, and not backing it up. It's their card, their company, and their choice, but if was ATI and these number were way low, I would put up my own numbers... What would they lose?
I read your post a few pages back about the small increase of 6 FPS over the X850XTPE, and I agree that is kind of surprising. Did you happen so see my post about the 78% increase in Doom3 at 1024x768? Honestly, I doubt that these numbers are from an OC'ed X850XTPE. It would seem to me that ATI would have worked a bit on OpenGL performance this past year, and it looks like it paid off. Their DirectX9 performance was always excellent, and now (if these are legit) they have OpenGL performance to match it.
If these are legit, I honestly don't see where this card is bad. I think the only people truely disappointed with this card are those holding out for a GTX killer, and there simply haven't been many indications that this was going to happen... I also doubt that it will stay at $599 for any amount of time, regardless of availability. The going price for a top end video card right now is about $450-475, period. The market simply won't sustain a $600 card that isn't faster than a GTX.
Originally posted by: ddogg
Originally posted by: Therk
I am actually very suprised of how well a 16 piper does against a 24 piper. I would love to see a 24 piper R520 against a GTX
look at the difference in clockspeeds between the two cards....theres almost 200mhz between the two and the GTX is factory clocked at 1200MHz on the memory which can be bumped easily to 1300mhz. i would love to see a GTX clocked at 600/1400 against this.
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: ddogg
Originally posted by: Therk
I am actually very suprised of how well a 16 piper does against a 24 piper. I would love to see a 24 piper R520 against a GTX
look at the difference in clockspeeds between the two cards....theres almost 200mhz between the two and the GTX is factory clocked at 1200MHz on the memory which can be bumped easily to 1300mhz. i would love to see a GTX clocked at 600/1400 against this.
LOL, I'd love to see you try clocking a gtx to 600/1400, even with a voltmod and watercooling. Not gonna happen, just like the A64 wont reach 4ghz no matter what.
It's only drivel to you. I believe my statement was accurate. So it sticks.Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Sorry, I dont believe that ATi's newest card is just 6 frames fater than its last.
You don't believe anything you read on the internet anyway. So what's new?
Dont put words in my mouth, thanks. I never said that.
What I have said several times, is that I dont believe everything on the internet, like a lot of people do. Just because there is a link somehwere saying something, they count is as the Gospel. Do you really think ATi's new card is just 4fps faster in HL2@1600x1200 4x/8x? A few "articles" that I have read from this hardware site are pretty poor, ignorant, and very bias. The simle fact that they even test the highest end cards, and SLI at 1024x768, tells me a lot. Which is why I do not believe these results. Perhaps they are right, and I am wrong. If you want to believe everything you read on the internet, have at it. I however, wont.
Congratulations
I believe that I see you type the same thing over and again. "Don't believe everything you hear on the web". You do this for everything. You're a broken record. Only when it's advantageous for ATI however.
Continue with this drivel of trying to troll me, and you wont get another response.
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: classy
Disappointing? It was a wash is Half-Life. Doom 3 went to Nvidia, Far Cry to Ati, and Nvidia did get the win in SC. It will come down to price. Plain and simple. But Nvidia doesn't have a commanding lead in performance.
When you consider the 7800GTX wins more benches than it loses, and the ones it loses are very close, I don't think ATI has a chance even if this card did launch a $125 below MSRP so it could compete on price.
The 7800GTX wins are more substantial, it's losses are much smaller percentage-wise.
If those benches are representative of R520 performance, you'd have to be on crack to buy one at the same price as a 7800GTX. Those benches merit a 10-15% price discount to justify purchase of this card.
There is a lot more to a video card than just gaming. How about media capabilties? Image quality? How about 2nd quality on a flat panel or even good ole CRTS. There is a lot more to a video card than just gaming.
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Wait for the 80 forceware drivers.
You make it sound like ATI is here to teach us a lesson.ATi isnt spreading FUD. They refuted some alleged numbers. Why would they release numbers, and reward this kind of childish behavior? So that it can happen every time? Doubtful.
We'll all know in a few weeks, I can wait.