R520 Definitely 16 Pipes, Confirmed at AnandTech

[coomar]

its not even close to being legal, its not allowed under anti-trust

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: Pete
S4 is ...?

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[gsellis]

Originally posted by: coomar
its not even close to being legal, its not allowed under anti-trust

Not even close to making sense...

What are you referring to?

 

[Turtle 1]

Sure its legal both vole and ati have the right to keep specifacations secret until a product release. Thats for their own priority while under development.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Ronin
Do I get to say "I told you so" again?

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You didnt do it last time. You were wrong on the 3dmark score.

Wrong, but thanks for flaming. Nice to see you come out of the woodwork to make some dickish post.

The I told you so was the "Power of 3", which I was correct about, and the R520 being initially released as a 16 pipe card.

Keep up, halfwit, it's not that hard.

 

[finbarqs]

well benchies are posted, and looks like Nvidia won this round... (and last round imo). ATi too slow with the draw with something inferior... (you gotta shoot for SLI), and when it's faster, it's not even that much faster.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Pete
Cookie Monster (and Acanthus), "DX10" = WGF2.0. WGF1.0 = DX9L.

keys, that doesn't mean 16 vertex shaders. Kris was emphasizing how pixel pipes and pixel shaders may not be coupled as closely as with previous GPUs. (Besides, 16VS at 600MHz would just be wasted die space if G70 is stuck with 8VS at <500MHz.)

Acanthus, I'm guessing its pixel pipes will still be arranged in quads for efficiency, but it's possible they'll move to a more Xenos-like arrangement. Again, 16VS is just ludicrous overkill next to 16 pixel pipes or even double ALUs per pipe. There are way more pixels than vertices per scene, so I don't believe VS power needs to be anywhere near the level of PS power.

If you have HDR implemented in shaders, you need all the shading power you can throw at it in order to push HDR + AA at a decent framerate.

Like i said 16/16 doesnt make much sense, as you would be heavily limited by resolutions over 1600x1200, but if this is the design, it would be *GREAT* for features like HDR and Soft Shadows.

We know this is probably the last product chain from both companies before they go to unified shader designs.

 

[Turtle 1]

Link to benchies other than the ones nvidia normally wins at . Lets say a full review by people that don't break the rules as they can't be trusted. To follow the rules. Their Reviews would also be squiwed If your basing your coranation on that review I would be nervous if I were you. nvidia won 3out of 4 and got close on the other one. This review site is muffed at ATI. What if they posted the only one's that nvidia won or got close to ATI X800XT on? Who was the source certainly not a Tier 1 company. But ya nvidia won ATi might as well pack her in their finished.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Ronnnn f*** off. YOu know full well that when i said perhaps 2 months that i was merely speculating based on the earlier delays. So stop bringing that crap up again. As for heat issues and low yields.... sorry but that is fact.



-Kevin

Links for the heat issue and low yields? I do know that heat issues were wild speculation a while back and they were having yield issues with what seems to have been a soft ground problem, but yields seem ok now (maybe). Actually I wasn't thinking of your two month statement or your low than maybe acceptable yields - more thinking of what fun you have calling ati fanboys douche bags - so was just teasing.

Sorry, i know it isn't an excuse but i was really tired and annoyed (as you can tell).

Links for the heat issue and low yields?

When a companny tapes out a product MULTIPLE time it has problems. Additionally, ATI is running the absolute fastest memory available (which already has very low yields), and they are using an extremely new 90nm fab process. While i agree, that yields might be fine right now, the fact is that they weren't.

As for the 2 month statement, my other post says it clearly. I was merely estimating based on previous reports, and the time that had elapsed thus far. No one in their right mind could honestly say, unless they had had inside information, that the R520 was truly ready.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Link to benchies other than the ones nvidia normally wins at . Lets say a full review by people that don't break the rules as they can't be trusted. To follow the rules. Their Reviews would also be squiwed If your basing your coranation on that review I would be nervous if I were you. nvidia won 3out of 4 and got close on the other one. This review site is muffed at ATI. What if they posted the only one's that nvidia won or got close to ATI X800XT on? Who was the source certainly not a Pier 1 company. But ya nvidia won ATi might as well pack her in their finished.

Yes because the one time ATI is merely competitive (albeit late) they should just through their hands up and flip up on their belly. Gimme a break turtle. Seriously, learn the topic you are posting about before you post about it.

-Kevin

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Sure its legal both vole and ati have the right to keep specifacations secret until a product release. Thats for their own priority while under development.

actually, if you have a history of giving proprietary information to multiple downstream competitors you can't simply favor one over another when dealing with such proprietary information. so, no, it isn't legal.

of course, MS might be able to claim that, if DX 10 is some part of xbox 360, that the information was released for those purposes only, and there is no history of giving xbox 360 apis to nvidia

 

[Sithtiger]

Take these with a grain of salt but here are the first benchmarks of the Radeon X1800 XT and Pro: http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813.1/

They are vs the 7800 GTX, GT and Radeon X850 XT.

If these are the real deal then the X1800 XT is nothing special! The official word from ATi is that this is a hoax yet they can confirm they are fake. Here's the fallout: http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3069

I personally believe they are real or they are very close to what it represents. I believe it enough that I went ahead and bought an eVGA GeForce 7800 GTX w/BF2 for only $496 at Monarch Computer. I had enough to buy a 250GB Seagate SATA HD too with the money I saved. Had I bought the R520 XT, I wouldn't have been able to buy the HD. Of course if I knew for sure the R520 would own the G70, I would have waited. I no longer believe the R520 is "good enough" to wait for!

There is some info in the link with the Guru3D discussion with ATi above. They make mention that no partners currently have any R520 XT cards at the moment. If that's true then that's not good. If the R520 is scheduled to be released in October then it seems to be there will be few to none R520 XT's at launch. I think ATi is pulling another X800 XT launch and you'll be lucky to find one two months after the official launch!

 

[Turtle 1]

Its possible their real . I personnally don't care anymore about the R520 or the G70's as they are not WGF 2.0 compliant . I keep my video cards a lot longer than 1 year and I do want Vista so I will stay out of the market till all the garbage is gone.
My next purchase will be Conroe if it measures up. If not X2 5200. R600 with crossfire Running on an intel motherboarded if I buy Conroe.
I keep hereing performance per cost here a lot.
Yet you people seem to buy every new release that comes out. I see zero value in that. If you already have SLI I can see it a little bit . But if you buy crossfire now and 2 x1800. Than upgrade. When vista comes out both AMD and Intel users will need M/B DDR2 Memory and new GPU'S in one years time. What is that . Right around $2000. No way no real value for the $$$ there.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Ronin
Do I get to say "I told you so" again?

?

You didnt do it last time. You were wrong on the 3dmark score.

Wrong, but thanks for flaming. Nice to see you come out of the woodwork to make some dickish post.

The I told you so was the "Power of 3", which I was correct about, and the R520 being initially released as a 16 pipe card.

Keep up, halfwit, it's not that hard.

Holy hypocritical posts.

You say I flamed, by saying that you were wrong. Then call my post diskish? Then continue to insult me by calling me a halfwit? Wow, just wow. Ive seen you time and time again, tell others to stop name calling and flaming. Way to lead by example. Dont be mad because you were wrong about a silly 3dmark score.

Yeah you (and many others) were correct about the power of three. Perhaps you should have made yourself more clear in your last post? As you have posted something before, and been wrong, as I pointed out.

 

[Turtle 1]

Ok I missed it . whats the power of 3

 

[Sithtiger]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Ok I missed it . whats the power of 3

DUH Charmed.....everyone knows the Halliwell sisters and the power of 3!

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Sure its legal both vole and ati have the right to keep specifacations secret until a product release. Thats for their own priority while under development.

actually, if you have a history of giving proprietary information to multiple downstream competitors you can't simply favor one over another when dealing with such proprietary information. so, no, it isn't legal.

of course, MS might be able to claim that, if DX 10 is some part of xbox 360, that the information was released for those purposes only, and there is no history of giving xbox 360 apis to nvidia

THATS correct and if you read about the required specs. for WGF2.0 and SM4.0 You will see that the R500 falls within those specs. I also believe that WGF 2.0 and SM4.0 would be required for the Unified shaders in the R500 in order for it to be operational.

 

[Sithtiger]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Its posiable there real . I personnally don't care anymore about the R520 or the G70's as they are not WGF 2.0 compliant . I keep my video cards a lot longer than 1 year and I do want Vista so I will stay out of the market till all the garbage is gone.
My next purchase will be Conroe if it measures up. If not X2 5200. R600 with crossfire Running on an intel motherboarded if I buy Conroe.
I keep hereing performance per cost here a lot yet you people seem to buy every new release that comes out. I see zero value in that. If you already have SLI I can see it a little bit . But if you buy crossfire now and 2 x1800. Than upgrade when vista comes out both AMD and Intel users will need M/B DDR2 Memory and new GPU'S in one years time what is that . Right around $2000. No way real value for the $$$ there.

You might want to rethink about Crossfire. If have an LCD monitor your fine but if you have a CRT monitor and want to play at 1600x1200 then the highest your refresh rate can be is 60Hz. Forgive me if you've already read that....here's the original info about it. http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33828812

I'll upgrade once more, actually in 2007 so it just happens to fall nicely on WinVi. If it's out buy an A64 X4. You know AMD wants to make a quad core CPU in 2006 or 2007. Anyway the big thing is the video card actually and that just sux that todays hot cards will run like crap on WinVi!

 

[Turtle 1]

Well we all know 1 partner has them Sapphire has the gpu as they will be producing them for ATI . Partners have them. Powercolor has them. Visiontek has them.
As for that review it really is not creditable as the reviewer passed along here say benchies and wouldn't give the source. As for aTi saying there fake I can understand that either way. But for them to say there not even close thats another deal all together. KEy words being NOT EVEN CLOSE

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Link to benchies other than the ones nvidia normally wins at . Lets say a full review by people that don't break the rules as they can't be trusted. To follow the rules. Their Reviews would also be squiwed If your basing your coranation on that review I would be nervous if I were you. nvidia won 3out of 4 and got close on the other one. This review site is muffed at ATI. What if they posted the only one's that nvidia won or got close to ATI X800XT on? Who was the source certainly not a Pier 1 company. But ya nvidia won ATi might as well pack her in their finished.

Yes because the one time ATI is merely competitive (albeit late) they should just through their hands up and flip up on their belly. Gimme a break turtle. Seriously, learn the topic you are posting about before you post about it.

-Kevin

Drugs are really bad for you

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Sithtiger
You might want to rethink about Crossfire. If have an LCD monitor your fine but if you have a CRT monitor and want to play at 1600x1200 then the highest your refresh rate can be is 60Hz. Forgive me if you've already read that....here's the original info about it. http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33828812

Running an LCD at 60 Hz sucks too because the input feels slow.

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: Sithtiger

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Its posiable there real . I personnally don't care anymore about the R520 or the G70's as they are not WGF 2.0 compliant . I keep my video cards a lot longer than 1 year and I do want Vista so I will stay out of the market till all the garbage is gone.
My next purchase will be Conroe if it measures up. If not X2 5200. R600 with crossfire Running on an intel motherboarded if I buy Conroe.
I keep hereing performance per cost here a lot yet you people seem to buy every new release that comes out. I see zero value in that. If you already have SLI I can see it a little bit . But if you buy crossfire now and 2 x1800. Than upgrade when vista comes out both AMD and Intel users will need M/B DDR2 Memory and new GPU'S in one years time what is that . Right around $2000. No way real value for the $$$ there.

You might want to rethink about Crossfire. If have an LCD monitor your fine but if you have a CRT monitor and want to play at 1600x1200 then the highest your refresh rate can be is 60Hz. Forgive me if you've already read that....here's the original info about it. http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33828812

I'll upgrade once more, actually in 2007 so it just happens to fall nicely on WinVi. If it's out buy an A64 X4. You know AMD wants to make a quad core CPU in 2006 or 2007. Anyway the big thing is the video card actually and that just sux that todays hot cards will run like crap on WinVi!

Ya I have lcd and that problem won't exist on the R520+ crossfire boards. Also that info was upgraded

You do realize you will need a new M/B and memory on that next upgrade. So in less than 1 1/2 years you will have spent close to $3500 on your PC upgrades. + the cost of vista and possiable new hard drives . and of course Blu ray or HD sata optics

 

[Turtle 1]

OK I run a lot of programs at the same time but please tell me what are you going to do with a 4core cpu.

 

[Sithtiger]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1

Originally posted by: Sithtiger

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Its posiable there real . I personnally don't care anymore about the R520 or the G70's as they are not WGF 2.0 compliant . I keep my video cards a lot longer than 1 year and I do want Vista so I will stay out of the market till all the garbage is gone.
My next purchase will be Conroe if it measures up. If not X2 5200. R600 with crossfire Running on an intel motherboarded if I buy Conroe.
I keep hereing performance per cost here a lot yet you people seem to buy every new release that comes out. I see zero value in that. If you already have SLI I can see it a little bit . But if you buy crossfire now and 2 x1800. Than upgrade when vista comes out both AMD and Intel users will need M/B DDR2 Memory and new GPU'S in one years time what is that . Right around $2000. No way real value for the $$$ there.

You might want to rethink about Crossfire. If have an LCD monitor your fine but if you have a CRT monitor and want to play at 1600x1200 then the highest your refresh rate can be is 60Hz. Forgive me if you've already read that....here's the original info about it. http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33828812

I'll upgrade once more, actually in 2007 so it just happens to fall nicely on WinVi. If it's out buy an A64 X4. You know AMD wants to make a quad core CPU in 2006 or 2007. Anyway the big thing is the video card actually and that just sux that todays hot cards will run like crap on WinVi!

Ya I have lcd and that problem won't exist on the R520+ crossfire boards. Also that info was upgraded

You do realize you will need a new M/B and memory on that next upgrade. So in less than 1 1/2 years you will have spent close to $3500 on your PC upgrades. + the cost of vista and possiable new hard drives . and of course Blu ray or HD sata optics

Oh I thought it did affect R520 cards too....ok well that's better news anyway. Yeah when I upgrade, I upgrade my mobo, CPU, RAM and video card. I only upgrade the other components such as optical drives and hard drives as needed. I actually just bought a Lite-On DVD burner....ah...well you can see it in my sig. I'd like an LCD monitor too but I'm gonna wait on that until I have to upgrade. I was real happy about having to update my PSU too. I had a nice 430 Watt Antec PSU but I wanted to make sure I had plenty of power on my 12v rails for future upgrade so I bought that Enermax PSU. Now I'm ready to build my son's computer. It was my previous computer with a P4 3GHz, 1GB of RAM, 9800P vid card. Pretty nice computer for a 6 year old huh!

 

[Sithtiger]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
OK I run a lot of programs at the same time but please tell me what are you going to do with a 4core cpu.

What am I gonna do with a dual-core CPU but I have one. I was just fine with my P4. It's not about needing it....it's about having it. I don't race cars, I race PC's heh. Well not so much anymore...I used to live on 3DMark and I would reformat nearly every week, sometimes everyday. I'm done with that now. My last Windows install lasted since early 2003. That's a record for me. It's not that I had so many problems I had to reformat, I simply wanted the machine to run as crisp as it could. I can't stand reformatting now. heh.