R520 Definitely 16 Pipes, Confirmed at AnandTech

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Turtle 1

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I said 4core . I will just keep this pc for data storage as their are to many good parts that won't work correctly in my next up grade so i will have to do a complete rebuild/
Parts I have that really won't cross over are
M/B Cpu . Dual raptors 36Gb sata 1 DDRmemory 2x512 510watt 20 pin AC power and cooling P/S
so data storage is the best thing I can do . I know I can't go on line with it as I am using my neighbors pc to be on line I have WiFi and link threw his PC and I believe he has all the user filled that he's allowed
My neighbor is into the ORB bigtime he has A kickass Dothan set up running a 3GHz
 

Pete

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Turtle1, that would be SM4, not S4. Shader Model 4. And it's Tier 1, not Pier 1. :lol:

MBrown,

Acanthus, HDR is not easily implemented in shaders without FP blends, and I don't think vertex shaders are involved, as this is a per-pixel effect. AA is also not affected by shader power, but mainly by bandwidth and the number of AA samples per cycle/pass. Anyway, I believe R520 has FP blends, like the GF 6- and 7-series.
 

Sithtiger

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Originally posted by: Turtle 1
I said 4core . I will just keep this pc for data storage as their are to many good parts that won't work correctly in my next up grade so i will have to do a complete rebuild/
Parts I have that really won't cross over are
M/B Cpu . Dual raptors 36Gb sata 1 DDRmemory 2x512 510watt 20 pin AC power and cooling P/S
so data storage is the best thing I can do . I know I can't go on line with it as I am using my neighbors pc to be on line I have WiFi and link threw his PC and I believe he has all the user filled that he's allowed
My neighbor is into the ORB bigtime he has A kickass Dothan set up running a 3GHz

Yeah I know you did and my reply to that was well what do I even need a dual-core proc either but I have one. It sux when you have to buy all new parts when you only want to upgrade a specific few. That's the case with me this time as well. Because of the fact that I'm building my son's first computer, I've had to completely replace everything. The only old part I get to keep is my old Sound Blaster Live card. I don't need a floppy but I still like to have one just in case. I could do a BIOS update with a CD and in fact I will from now on. I don't like using floppy's for that.

Hehe, I like the Intel codenames. Dothan makes me think of Batman because it sort of sounds like Gotham City...hehe. That's a nice rig he has there! I bet you'll be glad to be able to get online for yourself huh.
 

Turtle 1

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No I like being online threw his Pc. Its actually A server as his Play pc is also networked threw it. And I save 50% on cost for high bandthwidth. I don't no how many of us are using this but its quit a few. I know he has 5 phone lines coming into his house. Its a pretty slick settup he has. Its really fun when we game . He helped me with myPC build
I bought all my parts from him very reasonable. I was the first one that shared his link. One thing lead to another. Now I think almost everyone in our village are online threw his connections. He also built everybodies pc around here. Very cool guy and if you have problems he's right there helping you out. Very good neighbor.
 

Sithtiger

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Lucky to live near a neighbor like that! I'm just glad to get a vid card that will run any games for the next two years. I wanted the X1800 XT but I don't think it will be quite as good as the 7800 GTX. I think the R580 is what ATi really wanted, but the R520 seems like more of a stopgap than anything and they've just given nVidia time to respond properly. I expect nVidia will be able to answer the R580 will something probably faster now. Oh well, that's the way it works....there's always something faster.
 

Turtle 1

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Ya I think your right About that . I think R520 will end Being the superior card but R580 coming in right behind it ? Just makes more since for people that have to have ATI to wait for R580. I will wait for SM4. ATI or Nvidia either one . I just take ATI'S side here because a lot of the nvidia fanboys here are very rude and not very knowlegdeable. Take this cross fire thing I think its laughable but the nvidia fanboys are having a field day with it. I remember when SLI came out it had way more problems than crossfire . I just love selective memory. Or lack of memory at all. I am glad Rollo is a Nvidia fanboy he hurts them more than he helps. Other than SLI ATI has won every round so far since R300 and the G70 R520 round isn't over yet.

I think when you finely up grage to LCD your going to kick yourself in the butt.
I have a 21" sony CRT and I am trying to sell that. My LCD is way better. It's more about desk space and appearance though.
 

RampantAndroid

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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2556&p=9

The X1600 XT fairly consistently performs much worse than the 6800 GT and a little better than the 6600 GT. The X1300 Pro doesn't perform nearly as well as the 6600 GT in our tests (though it costs nearly the same), doesn't perform at playable framerates over 1024x768 in high quality modes, and enabling antialiasing is simply not an option.

The X1800 XT will be good competition for the 7800 GTX, besting it in many cases when antialiasing is enabled at higher resolutions. The X1800 XL competes fairly well with the 7800 GT, but the NVIDIA card generally comes out on top in the tests that we ran. OpenGL games are still a hurdle for all the ATI cards to overcome, but it seems as if the X1600 XT is more highly capable of mitigating the impact of a non-Microsoft API on performance.

Oops, doesn't look good! The NV40 series outdoes the newest ATI??? HAHAHA! Thats sad. If you look at the tests, sometimes even the 7800GT kills the 1800XT...
 

Sithtiger

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On it's on merits, the R520 is a very nice card; however when you compare it to the G70 and factor in the time that has passed since the G70, it's a failure in my eyes. Why? Although the R520 beats the G70 in 3DMark2005, it's only equal (at best) with the G70 in real world tests.

The R520 is faster than the G70 in some D3D games, but the G70 is faster than the R520 in all Opengl games save perhaps the COD 2 demo which is an anomaly it seems. Anyway the G70 is as fast and sometimes faster in some D3D games as well. Keep in mind that this is at default clock speeds for both cards. The G70 is giving up nearly 200MHz with it's core and 300MHz with it's memory! ATi has said the R520 can O/C quite well. The G70 can do the same too!

By all accounts the R520 should utterly dominate the G70 in everything, but it doesn't! So what's left? Possibly the IQ, ATi's Avivo tech, the 512-bit Ring Bus and the 512MB of GDDR3 it has. Still, looking at screenshots from both cards and trying to see which has better IQ is difficult. What that says to me that even if the IQ is superior on the R520, you shouldn't have to sit there and stare at a two pics for 5 minutes to see that. If that's the case (and it has been for me) then it doesn't matter because if it takes time to see just a little difference in still shots, how are you going to possibly see it at 60, 80 or 100 FPS? Then there's the price and availability!

Had the R520 come out at the same time as the G70, and the price was the same then I would probably declare the R520 slighter better. Even if the price drops rapidly to match the G70, nVidia is still the champ. People say, but the R520 is faster in 3D05...well so what?!? If it can't match that in the real world, it means nothing! The most important scores are real world scores. If synthetic benchmarks support that then it's a slam-dunk. The R520 only wins clearly on 3D05 but changes drastically with real world tests.

The bottom line is the R520 is too little, too late! I'd like to see how the R520 would fare against a G70 with the same core and memory speeds. I do think clock for clock, the R520 is actually more efficient. After all it does only have 16 pipes compared to 24 with the G70. If the R520 had 24 pipes though, there would be no debate whatsoever as it would dominate the G70 in all D3D and probably all Opengl games as well. I think perhaps the R580 will do this. If there is a 32 pipe version of the R580 then oh my...that would be truly amazing.

Still I can't imagine ATi releasing a card that powerful in the Spring of 2006. Most if not all Spring cards are refresh cards of the previous fall. I think the R580 will probably be a 20 pipe card with only slightly raised core and memory speeds. That would definitely be faster than the R520, yet not give everything ATi has. I think ATi will hold back until the R600 and then release 24 and 32 pipe cards. The R600 will be the first ATi card that will have full Windows Vista functionality I believe. If ATi can do with the R520 architecture as they did with the R300 architecture, the R600 will probably be the most impressive card since the 9700 Pro! I think the R580 could be that before the R600 but I think ATi will hold back because like I said the Spring usually brings refresh cards and ATi will save the best for the Fall. Let's hope they don't pull what they did this year.

Don't count nVidia out either as it's track record for coming back from 2nd place is legendary. I'm not saying nVidia is in 2nd place now. Some reviewers have said that with the release of the R520. I'm saying the R580 has the potential to blow nVidia away and I think they know that. Rest assured they'll have something planned to combat the R580. I think nV is looking toward Fall of 2006 though and I think they'll surprise everyone....much like they did with the 6800 series!
 

Sithtiger

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Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: Sithtiger
I post on dead threads.

I just replied to this thread because someone else posted and I got an email. So yeah I posted on this seemingly dead thread but then again, it seems you post on dead threads too!
 
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