R520 Definitely 16 Pipes, Confirmed at AnandTech

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
OMG the X1800XT is going to be the same price as the 7800GTX after a month, so stop whining. The 7800GTX was $600 or more at launch and dropped roughly 17%. Now that the X1800XT/XL have 512mbs might keep it at roughly $525 (give or take) but there are always bundles that will make the extra money worth it.

Remember you cant say that the R520 is a OCed X850XT because its not. The memory is larger and faster (1.26ns vs 1.6ns), the core is completely different, the pipes have been reworked (completely?), theres SM3.0, and all the other HD and AA/AF stuff.

Also, the reviews havent been released yet, so dont bash until you have seen theyre released.

Are you guessing all this? Or are you in the "know"? Care to share where you got this pricing info from? Or you can just bend over, spread butt cheeks, ram fist up there and pull out your next statement.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
The shaders still operate on the core SM 3.0/FP32 capabilities laid down by the NV30. Apart from FP blending for HDR, tweaking and better specs the architectures are fundamentally the same.

so NV30 was a SM3 part now?

i know they went above and beyond the call of the DX9 spec at the time, but SM3? it couldnt even handle SM2!

 

[Novercalis]

meh.. wait for bencies.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Link to a credible source that states that a 7800 is a tweaked 5800.

The shaders still operate on the core SM 3.0/FP32 capabilities laid down by the NV30. Apart from FP blending for HDR, tweaking and better specs the architectures are fundamentally the same.

It certainly did. At least it was to the post I responded to.

Nope. Read the very first question he asked which you yourself quoted. I don't know what you were responding to but it certainly had nothing to do with framebuffer sizes.

tell you what man, each to his own

IMO NV40 was a new design over NV30, NV30 still maintained the ideas that the GF4 family had. they moved away from that multitextured approach with NV40.

G70 is NV40 with more pipes, more bells, and smaller fab.

R420 was a beefed up R300, R520 is brand new

 

[MegaWorks]

LOL! Man you guys are so funny!!:laugh: The card isn?t out yet and you all make assumptions that ?this card will be this and it?ll be that!? C?mon your e-penises can wait two or three more weeks guys, can?t it?:roll:

 

[BFG10K]

but hang on NV30 was SM2, and wasnt at all suited for 32bit,

so NV30 was a SM3 part now?

It's true, it wasn't SM 3.0 but it was above the SM 2.0 spec nevertheless. Probably not the best choice of words when I made the initial post to be fair (I've edited the post so any existing quotes will probably be stale).

As for FP32, not being suited for it is not the same as not supporting it at all.

so ATI goes from 24bit and SM2 to 32bit and SM3 and its new, NV goes from 16bit/crappy 32bit and SM2 to SM3 and 32bit and its not new?

ATi's getting a brand new memory controller and adding FP32 as well. nVidia already had FP32 on the NV30.

NV30 still maintained the ideas that the GF4 family had

No way, the NV30's architecture was vastly different to the NV25, especially the shaders.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
LOL! Man you guys are so funny!!:laugh: The card isn?t out yet and you all make assumptions that ?this card will be this and it?ll be that!? C?mon your e-penises can wait two or three more weeks guys, can?t it?:roll:

no! i need to rub one out NOW!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

but hang on NV30 was SM2, and wasnt at all suited for 32bit,

so NV30 was a SM3 part now?

It's true, they weren't SM 3.0 but they were above the SM 2.0 spec nevertheless. Probably not the best choice of words when I made the initial post to be fair.

As for FP32, not being suited for it is not the same as not supporting it at all.

so ATI goes from 24bit and SM2 to 32bit and SM3 and its new
NV goes from 16bit/crappy 32bit and SM2 to SM3 and 32bit and its not new?

ATi's getting a brand new memory controller and adding FP32 as well. nVidia already had FP32 on the NV30.

ahh ok i see. sorry for the misunderstanding

NV stuck with the same (is crossbar or something? 4x64bit?) memory controller as always?
this 512bit ring bus thing has got me intrigued for sure!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
LOL! Man you guys are so funny!!:laugh: The card isn?t out yet and you all make assumptions that ?this card will be this and it?ll be that!? C?mon your e-penises can wait two or three more weeks guys, can?t it?:roll:

LOL!!! But it is all the waiting that has been done thus far that has got everyone to this point. It has been "Wait" close to "forever and a month of Sunday's" so far.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
LOL! Man you guys are so funny!!:laugh: The card isn?t out yet and you all make assumptions that ?this card will be this and it?ll be that!? C?mon your e-penises can wait two or three more weeks guys, can?t it?:roll:

no! i need to rub one out NOW!

I hope it's warm enough and ready for some action in two weeks!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
LOL! Man you guys are so funny!!:laugh: The card isn?t out yet and you all make assumptions that ?this card will be this and it?ll be that!? C?mon your e-penises can wait two or three more weeks guys, can?t it?:roll:

no! i need to rub one out NOW!

I hope it's warm enough and ready for some action in two weeks!

ill turn the central heating up!

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
LOL! Man you guys are so funny!!:laugh: The card isn?t out yet and you all make assumptions that ?this card will be this and it?ll be that!? C?mon your e-penises can wait two or three more weeks guys, can?t it?:roll:

no! i need to rub one out NOW!

I hope it's warm enough and ready for some action in two weeks!

ill turn the central heating up!

Cheers otispunkmeyer :beer:

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
LOL! Man you guys are so funny!!:laugh: The card isn?t out yet and you all make assumptions that ?this card will be this and it?ll be that!? C?mon your e-penises can wait two or three more weeks guys, can?t it?:roll:

LOL!!! But it is all the waiting that has been done thus far that has got everyone to this point. It has been "Wait" close to "forever and a month of Sunday's" so far.

You too keys :beer:

 

[Novercalis]

well, my point just gor buried.

Business Sense:

IN MY HONEST OPINION:

ATI HAS TO BE CONFINDENT AND HAVE TO MAKE SURE the R520 Will outperform the 7800 GTX by atleast 15%.
This will put Nvidia in somewhat of a decision factor:

Nvidia can:

WAIT and see if Cosumers are now buying ATI over 7800GTX.
or Release the 7800GTX UL...
But nvidia may Counter Attack ATI with: Reduce Price of the 7800 GTX and force ATI to drop the 520 price tag which will hurt ATI more due to the amount the spent trying to get it right.
Or:
to force ATI once again to release the r580.

it basically comes down to:

r580 vs Ultra 7800 GTX and the first one to release will lose "technically" with price marketting.
Ati has to be confident to the extent that the r580 will shine over the 7800 GTX in dual SLI to make the Ultra look like a joke.
If not, ATI will Fail and lose the round.

As I said:

Nvidia decision on the r520 will hold the key on what to come.
Will they play into ATI hands and release the Ultra Series?
Thereby Ati will reduce price of the r520 by 40-50% and introduce the r580 after Ultra with a price approx $75-100 less to attaract everything away from Nvidia?

This is the game that is being played out.
r520 is a trasitional card.. a PAWN. Will nvidia call its bluff and sit back if the r520 cant outperform thus ATI releases r580 and lose all money on the r520.. On top of, they will have to UP THE PRICE on the r580 to compensate the loss of r520...
which in turns brings the Ultra 7800 Lesser price, which attracts US, the Consumers.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
I removed the comment about Ultra-High resolutions and the fill rate. I tried to push too many ideas into one clever sentence and now I've just confused everyone and even myself a little. I also just got my wisdom teeth pulled today and I am hopped up on so much Codine that everything is a little too fuzzy to begin with anyway.

Kristopher

Is this now part of the NDA process? You need to have your wisdom teeth removed? Does the card ship with the Codine or is that an add-on or come in the NDA pack? With the max dosage of Codine, what is your fill rate? So, if I understand it, with a high rate of Codine, Ultra-High resolution goes away because you are just ultra-high...



No :beer: though as it does not mix!

Thanks Kristopher.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

And BFG, jesus, you've yelled at Rollo enough times before

This isn't so much as a yell at Rollo as it as against everyone who claims ATi parts are refreshes while nVidia parts are brand new. If you're going to make sweeping claims then you'd better be consistent with both vendors.

Disagree. You don't "have" to be consistent at all. Actually, it's more advantageous not to be consistent. Times change.

E.G. This card (R520) has been touted as a 32 pipe uber-card for some time. It's appropriate to be disappointed that it has 16 pipes.

E.G. When the 5800U launched, there were no DX9 games, so it was appropriate to not care about DX9 performance. These days there are several, so it's more an issue.

Your constant attempts to link us back to the 5800 are only argumentative, not informative.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Novercalis
well, my point just gor buried.

Business Sense:

IN MY HONEST OPINION:

ATI HAS TO BE CONFINDENT AND HAVE TO MAKE SURE the R520 Will outperform the 7800 GTX by atleast 15%.
This will put Nvidia in somewhat of a decision factor:

Nvidia can:

WAIT and see if Cosumers are now buying ATI over 7800GTX.
or Release the 7800GTX UL...
But nvidia may Counter Attack ATI with: Reduce Price of the 7800 GTX and force ATI to drop the 520 price tag which will hurt ATI more due to the amount the spent trying to get it right.
Or:
to force ATI once again to release the r580.

it basically comes down to:

r580 vs Ultra 7800 GTX and the first one to release will lose "technically" with price marketting.
Ati has to be confident to the extent that the r580 will shine over the 7800 GTX in dual SLI to make the Ultra look like a joke.
If not, ATI will Fail and lose the round.

As I said:

Nvidia decision on the r520 will hold the key on what to come.
Will they play into ATI hands and release the Ultra Series?
Thereby Ati will reduce price of the r520 by 40-50% and introduce the r580 after Ultra with a price approx $75-100 less to attaract everything away from Nvidia?

This is the game that is being played out.
r520 is a trasitional card.. a PAWN. Will nvidia call its bluff and sit back if the r520 cant outperform thus ATI releases r580 and lose all money on the r520.. On top of, they will have to UP THE PRICE on the r580 to compensate the loss of r520...
which in turns brings the Ultra 7800 Lesser price, which attracts US, the Consumers.

get used to it. alot good points get swammped

 

[Novercalis]

true... thx... trying to approach this in a business manner than everyone else entry point of.. THIS SUX>. stupid ATI part to release at high price.. etc etc... there is a reason to everything and we all look at things in greed ("Con-sumers-Vision) than Business wise perspective.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Rollo

E.G. This card (R520) has been touted as a 32 pipe uber-card for some time. It's appropriate to be disappointed that it has 16 pipes.

E.G. When the 5800U launched, there were no DX9 games, so it was appropriate to not care about DX9 performance. These days there are several, so it's more an issue.

Your constant attempts to link us back to the 5800 are only argumentative, not informative.

Either way, you are going to get one and test it for us, right?

 

[g3pro]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sounds like a 6-month-late let down

So much for competition. We lose.

QFT.

 

[Pabster]

R520 seems doomed to suffer the Vista effect. We were promised a Mercedes and as time passed we realized eventually we would be stuck with a Ford.

 

[Creig]

Refresh, new design... What difference does it make? I'll take whichever one gives me higher performance for the same or less money than the other.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Does anyone think ATi is SO STUPID as to release a GPU that is not only 6 months late, but costs as much or more than the competition, knowing that it will barely outperform the competition...if at all?

Who says it will be 6 months late? Do you know it will barely outperform the 7800GTX, if at all? Will it be faster, slower, have more features? We dont know for sure, so it wouldnt make any sense to make a judgement already.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Disagree. You don't "have" to be consistent at all. Actually, it's more advantageous not to be consistent. Times change.

E.G. This card (R520) has been touted as a 32 pipe uber-card for some time. It's appropriate to be disappointed that it has 16 pipes.

Touted by whom? Oh yeah, the Inq, and forum goers. Which is why you shouldnt buy into everything you read on the net. Perhaps there will be one later, perhaps not, who knows.

Originally posted by: Rollo
E.G. When the 5800U launched, there were no DX9 games, so it was appropriate to not care about DX9 performance. These days there are several, so it's more an issue.

Your constant attempts to link us back to the 5800 are only argumentative, not informative.

Hmm. Seems like when the 6800 series launched, you were (and still are) very pro-SM3. Even when there were no SM3 games out. So since you said it wasnt appropriate for you to care about DX9 performance, why did you care about SM3? There were not any games out. Seems like a double-standard, again. Your defense of the 5800 was laughable when it came out, and is still today.

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sounds like a 6-month-late let down

So much for competition. We lose.

QFT.

Here we go with more ignorance, about the "truth". The only truth is, we dont know how it will perform. And you make youself look silly by thinking that you do. If you think competition is a "loss" for consumers, you really dont have a clue.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
You know the price difference from 1.26ns from 1.6? Its ALOT.
ATi retaped there core 3 times. You expect them to drop the prices?, unless you wanna see ATi losing even more money, how about no.

Like i said all things considered (Performance equal or maybe little bit faster than a 7800GTX), Heat, power, noise etc.

The 7800GTX at 480 is way more attractive than a X1800 XT at $599 or even more due to limited quantity of the higher ATi parts. Yea and thats bundles included.

Nvidia only released it as 599 because there was NO compeition and it was a chance to make lots of profit out of the situation.

Or would you buy the X1800 XT? its either your loaded with money, or just an ATi fanboy that is all.

Its not bashing either. Hey, im interested at all this internal 512bit bus ring and HDR +AA, but at a consumers point of view, economically, i dont see how a X1800XT will be better off than a cheaper 7800GTX.

If it performed no worse than a 7800gtx, and had 512mb memory, I'd say it's definiltely worth $100 more if it actually has the power to put all that memory to good use. If Nv had a 512mb gtx, you'd think they'd sell it for $499 (or even $599 MSRP)? Last time I checked, Nv had a 512mb 6800 ultra and that was selling for well over $600.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Does anyone think ATi is SO STUPID as to release a GPU that is not only 6 months late, but costs as much or more than the competition, knowing that it will barely outperform the competition...if at all?

Replace the name ATi with Nvidia and pretend this is Mar of 03.