R520 has 16pipelines

[Fozzik]

I don't think we're talking about how many pipelines the R520 HAS... more like how many will be working.

I'll join in the speculation party -
I think R520 has 32 pipes, and they've been re-spinning it over and over to try and get a decent number of chips off the line that have at least 16 of those 32 working as advertised. Ever since ATI first started hyping the R520, the rumored specs have been getting worse and worse. Sounds to me a lot like marketing writing checks that engineering and manufacturing can't cash.

"Our next GPU will score 35,000 on 3Dmark05!!!"
*whispers to engineer* "Get to work, we need a GPU that scores 35k."

I don't think ATI deserves any respect for not paper launching. The only reason they aren't is because Nvidia had cards on shelves on launch day, and ATI would look like schmucks if they did another paper launch.

I think ATI tried to get really fancy with the SM3.0 implementation, probably adding their own little twists (SM 3.12c...only on ATI! hurray!), and all they managed to do was balloon the transistor counts out of control and create a design that they couldn't build. We'll get something, and it will probably be competitive...but I don't think it will be anything like what ATI wanted to put out...which doesn't give me the best feeling.

Time will tell.

 

[gwarbot]

I wonder, whats the performance? Who cares about numbers. My Gforce 6200 has 8 great pipelines, and my games look fine.
To many people these day's are stuck in the numbers game. Get something to satisfy your needs.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: gwarbot
I wonder, whats the performance? Who cares about numbers. My Gforce 6200 has 8 great pipelines, and my games look fine.
To many people these day's are stuck in the numbers game. Get something to satisfy your needs.

No kidding, am seriously thinking of getting a next gen console, so not always chasing a moving target. Buy the game and you know it will run as intended (as least in theory).

 

[Compddd]

I hope its competitive. The IQ with this 7800 is awful in my eyes compared to my old X850XT. Not to mention it seems like World of Warcraft actually runs slower on this thing then my old card, the only game that really shines for me on my 7800 is BF2. I also have way more issues with these Nvidia drivers then I ever did with Ati drivers. Whoever said Nvidia drivers were more stable is full of sh*t.

 

[gwarbot]

Originally posted by: Compddd
I hope its competitive. The IQ with this 7800 is awful in my eyes compared to my old X850XT. Not to mention it seems like World of Warcraft actually runs slower on this thing then my old card, the only game that really shines for me on my 7800 is BF2. I also have way more issues with these Nvidia drivers then I ever did with Ati drivers. Whoever said Nvidia drivers were more stable is full of sh*t.

It's because it's a new card. Wait a little while for it to be more supported.


Ati=good windows
Nvidia= alright windows

Ati-crappy linux
nvidia= awesome linux

 

[Fenuxx]

It almost seems that ATi is pulling a 3DFX. How? When 3DFX released the Voodoo, it continued with essentially the same architecture through the Voodoo5. Sure, there were things that were added, but the same BASIC architecture remained throughout. It seems that ATi is doing the same thing. They came out with an excellent core in the R300, and ever since then, they have been just adding a few new things such as pipelines and clockspeed to the same basic core. With R520, they are continuing this, but are adding SM3.0 support (supposedly) to the mix.

Some can argue that NVIDIA is doing the same thing, but the GF7 is from what I've read a bit more different from the GF6 than ATi's X800 was from its 9800...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: gwarbot
I wonder, whats the performance? Who cares about numbers. My Gforce 6200 has 8 great pipelines, and my games look fine.
To many people these day's are stuck in the numbers game. Get something to satisfy your needs.

No kidding, am seriously thinking of getting a next gen console, so not always chasing a moving target. Buy the game and you know it will run as intended (as least in theory).

That actually sounds like an appealing idea these days.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: gwarbot
I wonder, whats the performance? Who cares about numbers. My Gforce 6200 has 8 great pipelines, and my games look fine.
To many people these day's are stuck in the numbers game. Get something to satisfy your needs.

No kidding, am seriously thinking of getting a next gen console, so not always chasing a moving target. Buy the game and you know it will run as intended (as least in theory).

That actually sounds like an appealing idea these days.

Actually you can more or less do the same with PC games. It's just us who are far to concerned about running everything on max before being able to play a game.

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: biostud
Actually you can more or less do the same with PC games. It's just us who are far to concerned about running everything on max before being able to play a game.

LOL. That's why alot of us do a complete system overhaul every 6 months (not me )...

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: gwarbot

Originally posted by: Compddd
I hope its competitive. The IQ with this 7800 is awful in my eyes compared to my old X850XT. Not to mention it seems like World of Warcraft actually runs slower on this thing then my old card, the only game that really shines for me on my 7800 is BF2. I also have way more issues with these Nvidia drivers then I ever did with Ati drivers. Whoever said Nvidia drivers were more stable is full of sh*t.

It's because it's a new card. Wait a little while for it to be more supported.


Ati=good windows
Nvidia= alright windows

Ati-crappy linux
nvidia= awesome linux

No. I would hardly call Nvidia drivers alright for windows. Both ATI and Nvidia drivers are excellent in windows.

As for linux, unfortunately that is correct. ATI has plenty of room to improve, and all signs show that they are doing their best with the man power they have to improve those.

-Kevin