R520 has 16pipelines

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Who cares whether it has 16 pipes or 32? As long as it is competitive, that is all that matters. Bring on the competition and bring down the price.

No kidding, wait until you see the card. This 16 pipe thing has been floating around for months and most expect the 7800gtx to be slightly faster, but with possibly lower image quality. Still as the local nvidia crowd has been promoting - not all pipelines are created equal and other features do exist.

 

[dfloyd]

Hmm seems many need a course in logic.

Like several above have said, if the card goes as fast as Nvidias high end then what does it matter how many pipes it has? I would not care if it had one pipe, if it ran games as fast as the 7800 and was cheaper.

Relativity people, come on, think about it. And on that note right now we dont know how anything stands. I seriously doubt they will release a slower product. I am guessing they are getting some impressive numbers with sixteen pipes is why they are going that route. And later on they will use the upgrade path to bring in cards with more pipes. So just because one card, maybe the first will have sixteen pipes is by no means a gurantee that other cards on the same chip will not have more.

So keep speculating, but drawing conclusions based on this kind of info is just silly.

 

[MBrown]

hmm. Interesting.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Don't get to cocky guys, The Inquirer is RARELY correct. This just looks like rumours/spec. Once it's confirmed in an interview or by an official, then I'll believe it, otherwise this is bs.

although, the INQ apparently was good enough to feed your inner fanboy in the past with their artcile on the "badass" DSI CrossFire motherboard.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1643861&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Obviously. This boards going to own the SLI

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Don't get to cocky guys, The Inquirer is RARELY correct. This just looks like rumours/spec. Once it's confirmed in an interview or by an official, then I'll believe it, otherwise this is bs.

IIRC it was the Inquirer who said it would be 32 Pipes though.

Seems they are changing their mind.

-Kevin

 

[KeepItRed]

Well we know this DFI board exists and is functional so where's your point? There was backup to other review sites showing it works and performs well. We don't see a working R520 do we? Go here and find me any backup the INQ has on this.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Don't get to cocky guys, The Inquirer is RARELY correct. This just looks like rumours/spec. Once it's confirmed in an interview or by an official, then I'll believe it, otherwise this is bs.

although, the INQ apparently was good enough to feed your inner fanboy in the past with their artcile on the "badass" DSI CrossFire motherboard.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1643861&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Obviously. This boards going to own the SLI

LOL good one.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: dfloyd
Hmm seems many need a course in logic.

Like several above have said, if the card goes as fast as Nvidias high end then what does it matter how many pipes it has? I would not care if it had one pipe, if it ran games as fast as the 7800 and was cheaper.

Relativity people, come on, think about it. And on that note right now we dont know how anything stands. I seriously doubt they will release a slower product. I am guessing they are getting some impressive numbers with sixteen pipes is why they are going that route. And later on they will use the upgrade path to bring in cards with more pipes. So just because one card, maybe the first will have sixteen pipes is by no means a gurantee that other cards on the same chip will not have more.

So keep speculating, but drawing conclusions based on this kind of info is just silly.

This is very true, but if ATI didn't change anything aside from clock speed, it WON'T be faster than the 7800 series. So it better cost less, and chances are it WON'T.

I was REALLY hoping for ATI to drop a bomb, so I hope this news is incorrect.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
This doesn't mean it could still be an R4xx core does it? Just super oc'ed? ATI needs to have SM3.0 now. They can't not have it. If they pull something like that, Might as well say goodbye to them. Now the Power of 3 marketing of Nvidia did not make sense to me before, but if the R520 is nothing more than a super clocked die shrunk R480, the power of 3 marketing would make a lot more sense.

WTF is going on anyways.?????

Stupid marketing. You can quote me here: the vaccine for marketing is knowledge.

Let's wait for benchies eh?

I would agree, but we can't have benchies without a card.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Don't get to cocky guys, The Inquirer is RARELY correct. This just looks like rumours/spec. Once it's confirmed in an interview or by an official, then I'll believe it, otherwise this is bs.

IIRC it was the Inquirer who said it would be 32 Pipes though.

Seems they are changing their mind.

-Kevin

Yeah I saw that too. First they say 32, then 24, now 16. As most people say, the INQ is 50% correct. I find this true because sometimes they have links to back it up, most of the time they just type random sh*t and hope people believe it.

 

[McArra]

Yep, I was hoping ATi to have a 32pipe killer, but with 16pipes clockspeeds must be very very high to compete with Nvidia if they release the 32pipe Ultra; and seeing how many problems they have had with the R520 yields...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Don't get to cocky guys, The Inquirer is RARELY correct. This just looks like rumours/spec. Once it's confirmed in an interview or by an official, then I'll believe it, otherwise this is bs.

It might be BS, but so far we have 2 "sources" saying 16pipes. Not just the INq.
And nobodies getting cocky, as a matter of fact, most of us are quite pissed off even at the thought of this being true. Oh, and keep it green.

 

[KeepItRed]

Hahaha it's only green for now unless they use 24+ pipes and have decent clocks

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: McArra
Yep, I was hoping ATi to have a 32pipe killer, but with 16pipes clockspeeds must be very very high to compete with Nvidia if they release the 32pipe Ultra; and seeing how many problems they have had with the R520 yields...

How high would you say a 6800Ultra/GT would have to be clocked to equal the performance of a 7800GTX? We know that a 6800Ultra is near it's max clock as it is, but just numbers wise, and assuming the 6800U could o/c indefinitely, how high would someone have to clock it to equal a 7800GTX. Single card against single card.

 

[LostTime77]

I bet you that ATi's R520 will end up slightly faster than the 7800GTX but then Nvidia, to keep to be the top performer will release an ULTRA card. This could be a 7800GTX clocked at 500 mhz , it can be a 7800GTX clocked at 500 mhz and have 32 pipes or it can be a 7800GTX clocked at the standard speed and have 32 pipes. My belief is that Nvidia will release an ULTRA, and ATI will have no legs to stand on. Remember, I wouldnt hold it against Nvidia because they have had basically no yield problems and they brought out the 7800GTX with 24 pipes.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: McArra
Yep, I was hoping ATi to have a 32pipe killer, but with 16pipes clockspeeds must be very very high to compete with Nvidia if they release the 32pipe Ultra; and seeing how many problems they have had with the R520 yields...

How high would you say a 6800Ultra/GT would have to be clocked to equal the performance of a 7800GTX? We know that a 6800Ultra is near it's max clock as it is, but just numbers wise, and assuming the 6800U could o/c indefinitely, how high would someone have to clock it to equal a 7800GTX. Single card against single card.

Just by doing maths 645Mhz, and give it 15Mhz more from optimizations done in the core, so around 660Mhz LOL!!

 

[nRollo]

Hmmm.

This will make things VERY interesting for the ATI Faithful who have been proclaiming for weeks:
A. "Wait a few more weeks! It's taped out!"
B. "Rumored specs have the R520 destroying the 7800GTX!"
C. "You guys who bought 7800GTXs will be crying when the R520 comes out and smokes it!"
Etc.

I think:
1. ATI wanted R520 to be a 24 or 32 pipe card and couldn't pull it off.
2. These re-tapes have been them re-engineering to get what they have fast enough to even be competitive.
3. That producing no industry leading chips ever, and buying a company who has produced one, has left people with unrealistic expectations that ATI can just start pulling industry leading tech out of their a$$es. They've never done it before, and although their ArtX refugees did once, it's hardly a track record of anything but 2nd and 3rd place.
4. This would somewhat explain their execs dumping 40% of their stock when they knew this and the Xbox deal was coming.

Sometimes waiting for the next big thing isn't the best strategy.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Well we know this DSI board exists and is functional so where's your point? The INQ had backup to other review sites showing it works and performs well. We don't see a working R520 do we? Go here and find me any backup the INQ has on this.

First of all it's "DFI", not "DSI"...

We all know that the INQ is sometimes right and sometimes wrong, we don't need you to tell us that. The point of my post is that you use the INQ on one hand to support your beliefs and are ready to sink money into an ATI product that is "going to own the SLI" which has not yet been released or tested, but when they post some FUD about ATI's new core, it's all lies...

 

[DRavisher]

I was under the impression that the inquirer nearly always is correct when they give info such as this. Most people seem to miss the point when the inquirer is not certain or is speculation/conveying rumours... At least most times when people show inquirer articles that were wrong it was pretty obvious that they werent certain, just saying what theyd heard. In this case they seem to be pretty certain...

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Won't the 16 pipe R520 get creamed by the 24 pipe 7800 GTX when AA/AF settings and resolution are cranked all the way up? Or can that 700MHz make up for the missing pipes even at extreme AA/AF settings?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Hmmm.

This will make things VERY interesting for the ATI Faithful who have been proclaiming for weeks:
A. "Wait a few more weeks! It's taped out!"
B. "Rumored specs have the R520 destroying the 7800GTX!"
C. "You guys who bought 7800GTXs will be crying when the R520 comes out and smokes it!"
Etc.

I think:
1. ATI wanted R520 to be a 24 or 32 pipe card and couldn't pull it off.
2. These re-tapes have been them re-engineering to get what they have fast enough to even be competitive.
3. That producing no industry leading chips ever, and buying a company who has produced one, has left people with unrealistic expectations that ATI can just start pulling industry leading tech out of their a$$es. They've never done it before, and although their ArtX refugees did once, it's hardly a track record of anything but 2nd and 3rd place.
4. This would somewhat explain their execs dumping 40% of their stock when they knew this and the Xbox deal was coming.

Sometimes waiting for the next big thing isn't the best strategy.

Most people will buy the best card for their money that is available when they buy.

Waiting for next gen is always cheaper. Of course playing shinny with your kids is cheaper yet. Anyways all this sounds like Ati is finally getting closer to releasing some cards - should be interesting.

I was going to comment on points 3 and 4, but realized that I must pay more attention to the American sense of humour and appreciate your jokes. (Is difficult, but I am starting to catch on)

From what the inquirer says, should be a scrap - so lets hope that Nvidia solves their IQ problem.

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
Won't the 16 pipe R520 get creamed by the 24 pipe 7800 GTX when AA/AF settings and resolution are cranked all the way up? Or can that 700MHz make up for the missing pipes even at extreme AA/AF settings?

No, because of the 7800's 24 piipelines only 16 can output simultaneously. ATI could easily do more per pipeline and they have higher clocks.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
Won't the 16 pipe R520 get creamed by the 24 pipe 7800 GTX when AA/AF settings and resolution are cranked all the way up? Or can that 700MHz make up for the missing pipes even at extreme AA/AF settings?

Experience at many parties suggests that it is what you put into your pipe that is important.

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: Rollo
3. That producing no industry leading chips ever, and buying a company who has produced one, has left people with unrealistic expectations that ATI can just start pulling industry leading tech out of their a$$es. They've never done it before, and although their ArtX refugees did once, it's hardly a track record of anything but 2nd and 3rd place.

Well it is true that the ATi engineers don't have a very good trackrecord, but the ArtX engineers are still working for ATi, right? Would think they know what they are doing, since they have proven themselves with the R300. I hope the R520 is just a tad slower than the 7800GTX (since I want competition, but I am a long time nvidia fanboy, and i own a 7800GTX )

 

[Killrose]

These will no doubt be the 520XL, the 24-pipe 520XT may never see the light of day

Or may show-up in silicon re-spin #xx