R520 has 16pipelines

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Well we know this DSI board exists and is functional so where's your point? The INQ had backup to other review sites showing it works and performs well. We don't see a working R520 do we? Go here and find me any backup the INQ has on this.

First of all it's "DFI", not "DSI"...

We all know that the INQ is sometimes right and sometimes wrong, we don't need you to tell us that. The point of my post is that you use the INQ on one hand to support your beliefs and are ready to sink money into an ATI product that is "going to own the SLI" which has not yet been released or tested, but when they post some FUD about ATI's new core, it's all lies...

*Typo* How am I using the INQ on my hand? The INQ is 50/50 and they were right about that motherboard because it's been tested. On the other hand, right now I'm saying the INQ is bs because ATI is keeping their mouth shut, so how is this "official", it's nothing but speculation.

 

[CaiNaM]

geez... as i've stated over and over, # of pipes mean nothing without considering the rest of the architecture.. and we don't really have that information at this time... if the IQ is good, and performance is "on par" to the 7800's, then wtf difference does it make?

still amazes me how some folks seem to live and die by which manufacturer's product is faster... :roll:

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: Killrose
These will no doubt be the 520XL, the 24-pipe 520XT may never see the light of day

Or may show-up in silicon re-spin #xx

Not very usual to have different chips in the same series, that is for instance x900XL, XT and so on. Not very likely that we will se more pipes from ATi before R580...

 

[KeepItRed]

Oh and keep in mind guys, the INQ said "R520 has 16 pipes", but they never said which version. I think the XL and XT will have 16, but there's always a possibility the Platinum or XTPE will have 24+

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: Rollo
3. That producing no industry leading chips ever, and buying a company who has produced one, has left people with unrealistic expectations that ATI can just start pulling industry leading tech out of their a$$es. They've never done it before, and although their ArtX refugees did once, it's hardly a track record of anything but 2nd and 3rd place.

Rollo, the R300 did not exist prior to ATI buying ArtX so stop making it sound like ArtX was responsible for the entire R300. The R300 was developed across multiple sites at ATI, not just from the old ArtX guys. You're also forgetting that NONE of the ArtX guys had anything to do with the development of the Xbox360 GPU, so obviously people outside of the ArtX guys are capable within ATI.

 

[malG]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
...if the IQ is good, and performance is "on par" to the 7800's, then wtf difference does it make?

Performance maybe equal but the R520 is making use of an inefficient design.

high MHz = high heat = dual slot cooling = high noise

ATI Launch Event in Sydney yesterday shows the actual pic R520 in dual slot.

 

[fstime]

When the official specs are out, tell me.

Until then, you guys can keep watching the inq change their minds weather it's 16, 24, or 32 pipes.

 

[McArra]

Dual slot cooler doesn't mean loud, look at the AC Silencer for example.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
When the official specs are out, tell me.

Until then, you guys can keep watching the inq change their minds weather it's 16, 24, or 32 pipes.

QFT

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
...if the IQ is good, and performance is "on par" to the 7800's, then wtf difference does it make?

Performance maybe equal but the R520 is making use of an inefficient design.

high MHz = high heat = dual slot cooling = high noise

ATI Launch Event in Sydney yesterday shows the actual pic R520 in dual slot.

Dual slot cooling doesn't mean high noise. Plenty of people pay good money for the ATI and NV Silencers.

<edit> McArra beat me to it

 

[McArra]

LOL

 

[malG]

Originally posted by: McArra
Dual slot cooler doesn't mean loud, look at the AC Silencer for example.

Perhaps but looking at pics of the R520 from the ATI Launch Event in Sydney, the dual slot cooler is identical to the X850 PE and everyone knows that the X850 PE is bloody loud

 

[Killrose]

What if Ati has widened the mem bus or have done hyper-threading? Then 16pipes could possibly be more than enough. Either way, Ati is way late to the party and everyone is already plowed under drunk by 7800GTX's and Sli. Whatever they got, they better just lay it down.

 

[nitromullet]

*Typo* How am I using the INQ on my hand? The INQ is 50/50 and they were right about that motherboard because it's been tested. On the other hand, right now I'm saying the INQ is bs because ATI is keeping their mouth shut, so how is this "official", it's nothing but speculation.

You're actually going to comment on me using the "on one hand" expression as if it doesn't make sense, and then say "On the other hand" in the next sentence!?! Have you been eating lead paint chips? That makes about as much sense are your double standard for the INQ depending on your current point of view.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Killrose
What if Ati has widened the mem bus or have done hyper-threading? Then 16pipes could possibly be more than enough. Either way, Ati is way late to the party and everyone is already plowed under drunk by 7800GTX's and Sli. Whatever they got, they better just lay it down.

A. You cannot employ hyperthreading on a GPU. Completely differen't architecture.

B. You will not see a 512bit architecture. The cost would be insane, not to mention the heat generated from another 4x 64bit controllers with their logic.

I agree with you on the last part though. Enough waiting, just play your card(s).

-Kevin

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Spoonbender
Ok, just what the hell is ATI thinking these days?
Sounds like they've panicked badly for some reason.
Is the G70 really so frightening? Or is it that they had more trouble than expected with their 90nm process? With the SM3.0 capabilities? Or were all their engineers simply on vacation when this was decided?
This could easily rival NV30 for the "Most hopeless architecture" award, unless they have some major tricks up their sleeve.

im banking on a major nut sack of tricks. i dont think ATI would be daft enough to release a 16 pipe part, that does less work per mhz, and clock it insanely high.

this will probably be a quirky piece of hardware, doesnt look all that much on paper but i bet itll be at least competitive

 

[nitromullet]

Enough waiting, just play your card(s).

pun intended?

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

*Typo* How am I using the INQ on my hand? The INQ is 50/50 and they were right about that motherboard because it's been tested. On the other hand, right now I'm saying the INQ is bs because ATI is keeping their mouth shut, so how is this "official", it's nothing but speculation.

You're actually going to comment on me using the "on one hand" expression as if it doesn't make sense, and then say "On the other hand" in the next sentence!?! Have you been eating lead paint chips? That makes about as much sense are your double standard for the INQ depending on your current point of view.

Oh god "On the other hand" means "Else" "Otherwise" "Besides" FYI.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: malG
Besides the The Inquirer, the puny 16 pipelines is also confirmed by: http://www.gdhardware.com/events/idf/fall_2005/003.htm

R520 does less work per MHz due to its 16 pipelines - high MHz = high heat

0.09 micron = less heat! And there are more ways than adding pipelines to increase speed and you all forget that not all of the 7800's 24 pipelines can output simultaneously.

thats what intel thought...and look where that got them....i could fry my eggs on my mates preshott on a morning

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: nitromullet

*Typo* How am I using the INQ on my hand? The INQ is 50/50 and they were right about that motherboard because it's been tested. On the other hand, right now I'm saying the INQ is bs because ATI is keeping their mouth shut, so how is this "official", it's nothing but speculation.

You're actually going to comment on me using the "on one hand" expression as if it doesn't make sense, and then say "On the other hand" in the next sentence!?! Have you been eating lead paint chips? That makes about as much sense are your double standard for the INQ depending on your current point of view.

Oh god "On the other hand" means "Else" "Otherwise" "Besides" FYI.

Oh god "On one hand" suggests the writer knows that there is more to the discussion than just one point. Which is a rare trait around here. :beer:

 

[malG]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Who cares whether it has 16 pipes or 32? As long as it is competitive, that is all that matters.

How can it be competitive when the R520 (at 700Mhz) is making use of an inefficient design?

high MHz = high heat = dual slot cooling = high power consumption

In terms of power consumption, the R520 consumes more power than the X850XT PE due to its extremely high clock speed. The X850XT PE has already broken new records for single card power consumption. In contrast, the 7800GTX consumes LESS power than previous generation.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: nitromullet

*Typo* How am I using the INQ on my hand? The INQ is 50/50 and they were right about that motherboard because it's been tested. On the other hand, right now I'm saying the INQ is bs because ATI is keeping their mouth shut, so how is this "official", it's nothing but speculation.

You're actually going to comment on me using the "on one hand" expression as if it doesn't make sense, and then say "On the other hand" in the next sentence!?! Have you been eating lead paint chips? That makes about as much sense are your double standard for the INQ depending on your current point of view.

Oh god "On the other hand" means "Else" "Otherwise" "Besides" FYI.

no need to call me God, "Nitromullet", or even just plain "Nitro" will do...

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: nitromullet

*Typo* How am I using the INQ on my hand? The INQ is 50/50 and they were right about that motherboard because it's been tested. On the other hand, right now I'm saying the INQ is bs because ATI is keeping their mouth shut, so how is this "official", it's nothing but speculation.

You're actually going to comment on me using the "on one hand" expression as if it doesn't make sense, and then say "On the other hand" in the next sentence!?! Have you been eating lead paint chips? That makes about as much sense are your double standard for the INQ depending on your current point of view.

Oh god "On the other hand" means "Else" "Otherwise" "Besides" FYI.

Oh god "On one hand" suggests the writer knows that there is more to the discussion than just one point. Which is a rare trait around here. :beer:

Blah, not quite adjusted here yet, my bad.

 

[Intelia]

Lets assume the 1nquire article is 100% correct. It did say core speed of 700 or 800MHz. That Article we discussed a few weeks back had the pipes at 16 and the core speed @755mhz with either 1400mhz or 1600mhz memory > and the other specs looked good. You remember the one I am talking about the 1 everyone said was faked. Could be someone gave us the real specs and than photoshopped it.

Anyway according to the inquirer heres what we got that inspired this chat .

16 pipes(extreme)
700 to 800Mhz for the sake of argument lets say 750 MHz core
1400MGz memory (maybe1600Mhz)

Looks good to me

 

[KeepItRed]

Ok? You just restated the whole thread...