Originally posted by: edmundoab
what happened to 24 pipelines??
geez
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
geez... as i've stated over and over, # of pipes mean nothing without considering the rest of the architecture.. and we don't really have that information at this time... if the IQ is good, and performance is "on par" to the 7800's, then wtf difference does it make?
still amazes me how some folks seem to live and die by which manufacturer's product is faster... :roll:
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
geez... as i've stated over and over, # of pipes mean nothing without considering the rest of the architecture.. and we don't really have that information at this time... if the IQ is good, and performance is "on par" to the 7800's, then wtf difference does it make?
still amazes me how some folks seem to live and die by which manufacturer's product is faster... :roll:
Well, for those folks that like to o/c, how much further do you think they will get the already cranked to the balls R520?
Originally posted by: dfloyd
Hmm seems many need a course in logic.
Like several above have said, if the card goes as fast as Nvidias high end then what does it matter how many pipes it has? I would not care if it had one pipe, if it ran games as fast as the 7800 and was cheaper.
Relativity people, come on, think about it. And on that note right now we dont know how anything stands. I seriously doubt they will release a slower product. I am guessing they are getting some impressive numbers with sixteen pipes is why they are going that route. And later on they will use the upgrade path to bring in cards with more pipes. So just because one card, maybe the first will have sixteen pipes is by no means a gurantee that other cards on the same chip will not have more.
So keep speculating, but drawing conclusions based on this kind of info is just silly.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
At any rate, I'm going to have to call BS on this one myself.
Have any of you seen the side by side photo of the R480 and the R520 cores?
They are just about identical in size, yet the R480 is 130nm, and the R520 is 90nm.
If they just shrunk a 16 pipe core to 90nm, it would be a lot smaller than that even with the extra SM3.0 transistors. My 2 cents.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
At any rate, I'm going to have to call BS on this one myself.
Have any of you seen the side by side photo of the R480 and the R520 cores?
They are just about identical in size, yet the R480 is 130nm, and the R520 is 90nm.
If they just shrunk a 16 pipe core to 90nm, it would be a lot smaller than that even with the extra SM3.0 transistors. My 2 cents.
I'm hopping that extra size is to accommodate FP blending with AA, screw more pipes as long as they can make the ones they have fast enough to keep up with the compititioin.
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
geez... as i've stated over and over, # of pipes mean nothing without considering the rest of the architecture.. and we don't really have that information at this time... if the IQ is good, and performance is "on par" to the 7800's, then wtf difference does it make?
still amazes me how some folks seem to live and die by which manufacturer's product is faster... :roll:
What's wrong with that?OMG. 16 "extreme" pipelines was every ATI fans worst nightmare. I hope this isn't true.
Having crazy amount of stages, like the Prescott, is different than pipelines vs clockspeed.quote:
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Originally posted by: AmberClad
So the R520 is the GPU world's version of the Prescott?
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Yep, think "inefficient design"
I don't think so. The inquirer comments on rumors. How often are rumors true. Very.Don't get to cocky guys, The Inquirer is RARELY correct. This just looks like rumours/spec. Once it's confirmed in an interview or by an official, then I'll believe it, otherwise this is bs.
Of course, that couldn't have anything to do with ATI changin their estimates do to poor yields.Yeah I saw that too. First they say 32, then 24, now 16. As most people say, the INQ is 50% correct. I find this true because sometimes they have links to back it up, most of the time they just type random sh*t and hope people believe it.
No. if it lacks in pipes it can make up in clock speed.Won't the 16 pipe R520 get creamed by the 24 pipe 7800 GTX when AA/AF settings and resolution are cranked all the way up? Or can that 700MHz make up for the missing pipes even at extreme AA/AF settings?
Haven't seen you in a while - good post.geez... as i've stated over and over, # of pipes mean nothing without considering the rest of the architecture.. and we don't really have that information at this time... if the IQ is good, and performance is "on par" to the 7800's, then wtf difference does it make?
still amazes me how some folks seem to live and die by which manufacturer's product is faster...
We'll see when the time comes about this. Your link sucked, you had to sign in.Performance maybe equal but the R520 is making use of an inefficient design.
high MHz = high heat = dual slot cooling = high noise
And look at AMD's Venice.A smaller process means zilch, just look at PressHot - 90nm and it's still hot and inefficient. Bear in mind that Intel is 1000 times bigger than ATI and Intel took sometime to master the 90nm process.
Originally posted by: LostTime77
I bet you that ATi's R520 will end up slightly faster than the 7800GTX but then Nvidia, to keep to be the top performer will release an ULTRA card. This could be a 7800GTX clocked at 500 mhz , it can be a 7800GTX clocked at 500 mhz and have 32 pipes or it can be a 7800GTX clocked at the standard speed and have 32 pipes. My belief is that Nvidia will release an ULTRA, and ATI will have no legs to stand on. Remember, I wouldnt hold it against Nvidia because they have had basically no yield problems and they brought out the 7800GTX with 24 pipes.
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: McArra
Dual slot cooler doesn't mean loud, look at the AC Silencer for example.
Perhaps but looking at pics of the R520 from the ATI Launch Event in Sydney, the dual slot cooler is identical to the X850 PE and everyone knows that the X850 PE is bloody loud
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
At any rate, I'm going to have to call BS on this one myself.
Have any of you seen the side by side photo of the R480 and the R520 cores?
They are just about identical in size, yet the R480 is 130nm, and the R520 is 90nm.
If they just shrunk a 16 pipe core to 90nm, it would be a lot smaller than that even with the extra SM3.0 transistors. My 2 cents.
I'm hopping that extra size is to accommodate FP blending with AA, screw more pipes as long as they can make the ones they have fast enough to keep up with the compititioin.
Think X800Pro vs X800XL
You can OC a Pro to death while the XL won't go 50mhz above stock, but the XL will come out on top everytime.
Originally posted by: Matt2Pipes are very important. They make for a more efficient design.
If R520 had 24 pipes for example, they could drastically lower clock speeds and get the same performance. Then, when you wanna get the R520XT PE Ultra Mega I pwn j00 7800GTX Edition, the capability for the insane clock speeds are still there.
Originally posted by: monster64
You people don't get it. The r520 can actually have a BETTER fillrate than the 7800gtx. Think:
16pp x lets say 700mhz will be 11200. The gtx has 24pp x 430=10320. Which has the better fillrate? As for memory, pp don't matter, and ATI's memory will be faster, so naturally it will be better. I'm don't really take sides when it comes to video cards (I've owned just about as many AIT cards as Nvidia ones, both have been great.) Just think about it. Everyone whose saying "OMG 16 pp sucks" obviously don't know how fillrate works.