R520 in September

[Creig]

Originally posted by: g3pro
I'll just wait until the G80 comes out before I make any final decision. After all, the G70 was supposed to compete with the X800, which it totally nuked out of the water. So the R520 is supposed to compete with the G80. I can deal with that.

The X800 series is competing with the 6800, not the 7800. Where have you been the last year?

 

[BigfootKevin]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

Originally posted by: m21s
ATI is still making video cards...interesting...

ROTFL!

and they still have a higher market share than nvidia:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1649564&enterthread=y

Yay for integrated... well atleast it keeps them floating nicely financially.

Not really, I believe they reported $9 million loss last quarter while nVidia reported record profits?

And then ATi have their new chipsets, XBox 360 and R520 to be released.
(Which also might suck up some money in research above what nVidia may comparably have to invest)

Don't forget they're also doing the Nintendo Revolution as well.

 

[BillyBobJoel71]

Originally posted by: BigfootKevin

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

Originally posted by: m21s
ATI is still making video cards...interesting...

ROTFL!

and they still have a higher market share than nvidia:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1649564&enterthread=y

Yay for integrated... well atleast it keeps them floating nicely financially.

Not really, I believe they reported $9 million loss last quarter while nVidia reported record profits?

And then ATi have their new chipsets, XBox 360 and R520 to be released.
(Which also might suck up some money in research above what nVidia may comparably have to invest)

Don't forget they're also doing the Nintendo Revolution as well.

But the PS3 will sell more than the revolution and xbox360 combined for nvidia.

 

[AndyBogard]

Originally posted by: SuperTyphoon

Originally posted by: BigfootKevin

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

Originally posted by: m21s
ATI is still making video cards...interesting...

ROTFL!

and they still have a higher market share than nvidia:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1649564&enterthread=y

Yay for integrated... well atleast it keeps them floating nicely financially.

Not really, I believe they reported $9 million loss last quarter while nVidia reported record profits?

And then ATi have their new chipsets, XBox 360 and R520 to be released.
(Which also might suck up some money in research above what nVidia may comparably have to invest)

Don't forget they're also doing the Nintendo Revolution as well.

But the PS3 will sell more than the revolution and xbox360 combined for nvidia.

Proof of that?

I don't think Sony will stay on top in the next round, not with Microsoft making such impressive inroads in the industry and going after the Japenese market this time. Also Microsoft will have a large lead on the PS3. Halo 3 is expected to launch the same day as the PS3, to counter the PS3 launch. Microsoft can cut the price of the 360 in fall 2006, while Sony will have to continue selling at the launch price. Also Sony has already stated the PS3 will not be cheap, and will be more expensive than past consoles. The word is Sony may sell the console at $500, which will turn many away. Oh and also Sony still has no concrete online solution, although it looks like they may "copy" Xbox Live.

I think sales of the 360 alone should help out ATI, more so than sales of the PS3 helping Nvidia. Also when you do factor in the Revolution, ATI will profit alot more than Nvidia from the consoles.

 

[orwell84]

They need to just show us the card and get some reviews out there.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
I don't think Sony will stay on top in the next round, not with Microsoft making such impressive inroads in the industry and going after the Japenese market this time.

Everything you said is speculation. The factis that while Xbox had gotten their sales close to PS2 at the end of last year, PS2 has sold far more units and we can't really predict what will happen with the Xbox 360 and PS3.

 

[AndyBogard]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
I don't think Sony will stay on top in the next round, not with Microsoft making such impressive inroads in the industry and going after the Japenese market this time.

Everything you said is speculation. The factis that while Xbox had gotten their sales close to PS2 at the end of last year, PS2 has sold far more units and we can't really predict what will happen with the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Wow Rollo, great way to read my post. Did I ever mention that I had some time machine to see into the future, No. I said my opinion, opinion = speculation. No need to post after me and point that out, because all you've done now is to make it look like I absoulutely believe that with a biased opinion, or that I have some knowledge of the future.

Apparently though you have biased opinion everyone knows you have the most biased opinion here: PRO NIVIDIA all the time, ANTI ATI all the time, <- thats you Rollo. You probaly only go where Nvidia does.

I am not biased, I will get all three next gen consoles, and I currently own all three current gen consoles. I think the PS3 will sell good, its got the brandname, but I don't think it will sell as well as most think. I (wait, let me BOLD this one) think Microsoft will be able to surpass Sony in the next round for the reasons I have previously stated.

And here comes another post from Rollo shouting his propoganda, bias, and ignorance.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AndyBogard

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
I don't think Sony will stay on top in the next round, not with Microsoft making such impressive inroads in the industry and going after the Japenese market this time.

Everything you said is speculation. The factis that while Xbox had gotten their sales close to PS2 at the end of last year, PS2 has sold far more units and we can't really predict what will happen with the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Wow Rollo, great way to read my post. Did I ever mention that I had some time machine to see into the future, No. I said my opinion, opinion = speculation. No need to post after me and point that out, because all you've done now is to make it look like I absoulutely believe that with a biased opinion, or that I have some knowledge of the future.

Apparently though you have biased opinion everyone knows you have the most biased opinion here: PRO NIVIDIA all the time, ANTI ATI all the time, <- thats you Rollo. You probaly only go where Nvidia does.

I am not biased, I will get all three next gen consoles, and I currently own all three current gen consoles. I think the PS3 will sell good, its got the brandname, but I don't think it will sell as well as most think. I (wait, let me BOLD this one) think Microsoft will be able to surpass Sony in the next round for the reasons I have previously stated.

And here comes another post from Rollo shouting his propoganda, bias, and ignorance.

Of the two of us, I bet I'm the only one who will own/use both a 7800GTX and a R520. Who's biased again?

 

[fsstrike]

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

Originally posted by: m21s
ATI is still making video cards...interesting...

ROTFL!

and they still have a higher market share than nvidia:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1649564&enterthread=y

Yay for integrated... well atleast it keeps them floating nicely financially.

Not really, I believe they reported $9 million loss last quarter while nVidia reported record profits?

It's always "interesting" when peeps think ATI or nVidia makes all their profits from low end products with low margin profits from OEMs. When in reality....mid-range and upper range products sold as upgrades really brings in the "profits".

Both ATI (last quarter) and nVidia ~1 year ago said they didn't do well because they sold too many low priced products and not enough higher priced (i.e., high profit margin) products.

 

[AndyBogard]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: AndyBogard

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
I don't think Sony will stay on top in the next round, not with Microsoft making such impressive inroads in the industry and going after the Japenese market this time.

Everything you said is speculation. The factis that while Xbox had gotten their sales close to PS2 at the end of last year, PS2 has sold far more units and we can't really predict what will happen with the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Wow Rollo, great way to read my post. Did I ever mention that I had some time machine to see into the future, No. I said my opinion, opinion = speculation. No need to post after me and point that out, because all you've done now is to make it look like I absoulutely believe that with a biased opinion, or that I have some knowledge of the future.

Apparently though you have biased opinion everyone knows you have the most biased opinion here: PRO NIVIDIA all the time, ANTI ATI all the time, <- thats you Rollo. You probaly only go where Nvidia does.

I am not biased, I will get all three next gen consoles, and I currently own all three current gen consoles. I think the PS3 will sell good, its got the brandname, but I don't think it will sell as well as most think. I (wait, let me BOLD this one) think Microsoft will be able to surpass Sony in the next round for the reasons I have previously stated.

And here comes another post from Rollo shouting his propoganda, bias, and ignorance.

Of the two of us, I bet I'm the only one who will own/use both a 7800GTX and a R520. Who's biased again?

Of the two of us, who's the only one who likes to rub it in other peoples faces that they have the money to do so.

I don't have as much money to waste as you, I don't need both cards because I don't have two computers. I am contemplating upgrading and have been quite tempted by Nvidia's offering, although I remain patient to see what ATI can do.

You tell me how I'm biased for just getting one, if I don't need two.

Oh and to answer your question, you are.

 

[ddogg]

hopefully theyll release it in September unlike previous rumors throughout this year. im really looking forward to seeing this card perform next 2 a GTX.

 

[Intelia]

Don't count on picking up a x1000xt pe for under $650 dollars. When you see this card you will understand. The performance of 2x 7800 for the price of 1 thats bang for the buck. Befor you nvidia fans start slaming me I suggest you wait and see. The cheaper cards from Ati will compete with the Nvidia 7800 ultra's.

Crossfire for the X1000 XT pe will be a waste of money. 1 card is going to be CPU limited. If you want crossfire the cheaper models of the R520 will do nicely as some benchieshave already leaked the performance of the mainstream X950 dang chinamen break all the rules. 4 weeks left and the Sh1t is going to hit the fan.

Do you really think ATI would introduce their next generation GPU with a small 50% increase in performance?( not)

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: Budarow

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

Originally posted by: m21s
ATI is still making video cards...interesting...

ROTFL!

and they still have a higher market share than nvidia:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1649564&enterthread=y

Yay for integrated... well atleast it keeps them floating nicely financially.

Not really, I believe they reported $9 million loss last quarter while nVidia reported record profits?

It's always "interesting" when peeps think ATI or nVidia makes all their profits from low end products with low margin profits from OEMs. When in reality....mid-range and upper range products sold as upgrades really brings in the "profits".

Both ATI (last quarter) and nVidia ~1 year ago said they didn't do well because they sold too many low priced products and not enough higher priced (i.e., high profit margin) products.

If you look at ATI's financial report you'd see that they were actually profitable for this last quarter however they had to expense employee stock options. Only after they expensed the options did they come out slightly negative. nVidia has yet to had to do this as this is a new law. I believe nVidia will have to write down their options next quarter.

Also ATI makes almost nothing on their integrated parts. The only player profitable in that end is Intel. ATI has very little market share in chipsets right now and the margins there are extremely low. Low margins is what burned this last quarter for ATI so that's not the market they want to be successful in.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Of the two of us, who's the only one who likes to rub it in other peoples faces that they have the money to do so.

Yeah, I'm always boasting of my "riches"... :roll:

You tell me how I'm biased for just getting one, if I don't need two.

Oh and to answer your question, you are.

The point is, if I were "biased" against ATI, it's not too likely I'd spend $100s on their R520, like I did on their X800XT PE, their 9800Pro, their 9700Pro, their 8500, their Radeon VIVO, their MAXX, their Rage Fury, etc..

Starting to get the picture Sparky? For someone you complain about being "anti-ATI" I sure buy a lot of their stuff don't I? Sort of contradicts you, IMO.

 

[5150Joker]

So what if you buy their products? Doesn't mean you aren't biased. I own a 7800 GTX and freely admit I still prefer ATi over nVidia. Problem with you Rollo is that you try to convince people you aren't biased as if they're too stupid not to see the obvious (that you are completely infatuated with nVidia); Andy is right, you tend to love rubbing in peoples faces that you have SLI or whatever else flavor of the month hardware you get.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Of the two of us, who's the only one who likes to rub it in other peoples faces that they have the money to do so.

Yeah, I'm always boasting of my "riches"... :roll:

You tell me how I'm biased for just getting one, if I don't need two.

Oh and to answer your question, you are.

The point is, if I were "biased" against ATI, it's not too likely I'd spend $100s on their R520, like I did on their X800XT PE, their 9800Pro, their 9700Pro, their 8500, their Radeon VIVO, their MAXX, their Rage Fury, etc..

Starting to get the picture Sparky? For someone you complain about being "anti-ATI" I sure buy a lot of their stuff don't I? Sort of contradicts you, IMO.

Every product you mention from ATI after the 9700 pro was claimed to be superior to the nvidia products. Yet you always maintained that nvidia was superior how do you explain that or was everone else wrong and you and your side kick were right lol!

If ati comes out with PPU onboard you nvidia fans well say that no games support it. Ya just like SM 2VS.3 their was no need for it till now. But nvidia was first . So thats all anyone said well nvidia supports 3 and ATI only supported 2.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
The point is, if I were "biased" against ATI, it's not too likely I'd spend $100s on their R520, like I did on their X800XT PE, their 9800Pro, their 9700Pro, their 8500, their Radeon VIVO, their MAXX, their Rage Fury, etc..

Starting to get the picture Sparky? For someone you complain about being "anti-ATI" I sure buy a lot of their stuff don't I? Sort of contradicts you, IMO.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1626929&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: Rollo
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/fear_beta_performance/page9.asp
Where's all that "wonderful" ATI DX9 performance? 28 fps AVERAGE on a X850 XT PE, if you're lucky enough to have a FX55 pushing it? Uh Huh.

This game is basically unplayable on any ATI card at modern settings.

Another good reason to join me in the satisfied 7800 customers.

I dunno, sounds like a pretty biased statement to me.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
The point is, if I were "biased" against ATI, it's not too likely I'd spend $100s on their R520, like I did on their X800XT PE, their 9800Pro, their 9700Pro, their 8500, their Radeon VIVO, their MAXX, their Rage Fury, etc..

Starting to get the picture Sparky? For someone you complain about being "anti-ATI" I sure buy a lot of their stuff don't I? Sort of contradicts you, IMO.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1626929&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: Rollo
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/fear_beta_performance/page9.asp
Where's all that "wonderful" ATI DX9 performance? 28 fps AVERAGE on a X850 XT PE, if you're lucky enough to have a FX55 pushing it? Uh Huh.

This game is basically unplayable on any ATI card at modern settings.

Another good reason to join me in the satisfied 7800 customers.

I dunno, sounds like a pretty biased statement to me.

PWNED!!! :Q

 

[AndyBogard]

To the last 4 posters above me, THANK YOU.

I'm glad to see others also notice how biased Rollo is.

What Rollo doesn't seem to understand, is that it doesn't matter if he owns those ATI products also, his actions and words are always against ATI and for Nvidia, thats what makes him biased. He won't accept the fact that ATI "might" have a superior product.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

 

[jasonja]

Rollo is without a doubt biased and constantly uses that line "i buy lots of ATI cards" all the time as he defense, which is probably his sole reason for buying the cards. Why else do you buy them Rollo if they are so pathetic and games are unplayable on them?

BTW... FEAR played pretty well on my "pathetic" X800 AIW

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: Rollo
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/fear_beta_performance/page9.asp
Where's all that "wonderful" ATI DX9 performance? 28 fps AVERAGE on a X850 XT PE, if you're lucky enough to have a FX55 pushing it? Uh Huh.

This game is basically unplayable on any ATI card at modern settings.

Another good reason to join me in the satisfied 7800 customers.

Holy crap, I cannot believe the 7800GTX got outdated THAT fast! A stunning 29FPS at 16x12 with 4xAA/8xAF!

 

[ronnn]

Back to the much more interesting subject of the r520 (too many threads end up as discussions about individuals who seem to seek attention)......... Looks like it will be soon anyways. Not sure how Ati intends to compete with a 16 pipe card, will take insane clock speeds, which tend to make for noise and low yields. Likely Ati has bought enough time here to get the mid range out and the r580 close to completion. Will be an interesting next couple of months.

 

[knyghtbyte]

in light of a possible september release, im gonna hold of upgrading my card...lol

if it turns out to be a paper launch i'll be mildly frustrated, but at least 7800GTX prices will have come down by then...heh

possibly...lol

tbh, as i play Source a lot i'd prolly be better off with an ATi, but to be honest, both top end cards will play Source and any other games i currently own without a problem....so happy days are here

im totally non-biased (however there is nothing wrong in being biased, if you like something then you like it.....whats wrong with that?) as each time i've updated my computer i've swapped to a different company....heh......well, except at one point....but it works otherwise...lol

Voodoo 3 3000 - GF2 Ultra - GF4200Ti - 9800XT - 680GTO - ?

 

[g3pro]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: g3pro
I'll just wait until the G80 comes out before I make any final decision. After all, the G70 was supposed to compete with the X800, which it totally nuked out of the water. So the R520 is supposed to compete with the G80. I can deal with that.

The X800 series is competing with the 6800, not the 7800. Where have you been the last year?

I don't know where you've been the past year. I see the 6800 long replaced by the 7800, and I see the X800 series as the latest from ATi on the market. If ATi releases its r520 at the end of 2005, the G80, due next year, will be the product from nVidia to compete with the r520. I'm sorry, but ATi has been passed up for a generation of hardware. ATi now has to play catch-up.

pwned.