R520 in September

[fstime]

Not to long ago, Rollo was trying to tell people how wonderfull 6600GT SLI was.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Not to long ago, Rollo was trying to tell people how wonderfull 6600GT SLI was.

Gee, who else was too?

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njk2LDg=

When looking at the big picture, we can?t keep from going back and focusing on our GeForce 6600 GT SLI gaming experience. It took our gaming to levels that we had not even hoped for.

Almost across the board, the 6600 GT SLI delivered a better quality gaming experience than did a Radeon X800Pro or a GeForce 6800 GT. There is more bang for the buck value in a GeForce 6600 GT SLI configuration than anything comparable.

Need me to link you to 6600GT SLI beating a 6800GT at high res, high AA, high AF Doom3, HL2, and Halo? Or 20X15 0X16X most anything?

Can you link us to ONE useful post you've made?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Can you link us to ONE useful post you've made?

Super boring. Now what would be useful here is some of your inside info on the r520 or even if Nv has a cracker driver in waiting to completely flatten Ati's launch. :beer:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Not to long ago, Rollo was trying to tell people how wonderfull 6600GT SLI was.

Gee, who else was too?

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njk2LDg=

When looking at the big picture, we can?t keep from going back and focusing on our GeForce 6600 GT SLI gaming experience. It took our gaming to levels that we had not even hoped for.

Almost across the board, the 6600 GT SLI delivered a better quality gaming experience than did a Radeon X800Pro or a GeForce 6800 GT. There is more bang for the buck value in a GeForce 6600 GT SLI configuration than anything comparable.

Need me to link you to 6600GT SLI beating a 6800GT at high res, high AA, high AF Doom3, HL2, and Halo? Or 20X15 0X16X most anything?

Can you link us to ONE useful post you've made?

From Guru3D:
Today's products tested worked excellent in our test setup. We really did not run into big time issues or anything. It performs as expected and planned. I do have one problem with it though and that's not from a technical or compatibility point of view though. Bare with me here ...

Why would you not buy a similar priced GeForce 6800 GT instead of two 6600GT in SLI mode? You will pay the same price and performance wise the 6800 GT will be better in higher resolutions as it has 256-bit memory in an actual 256 MB configuration. From that point of view you can't beat the 6800 GT.

Link: http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/186/11/

6600 GT SLI gets beat in just about every benchmark (sometimes badly) by a single 6800 GT. It makes no sense whatsoever to recommend buying 6600 GT SLI. I don't know what the circumstances was behind you two arguing about it but from a consumer standpoint it would be idiotic to want to purchase 6600 GT SLI over a single 6800 GT.

 

[fstime]

it would be idiotic to want to purchase 6600 GT SLI over a single 6800 GT.

Rollo is an idiot but I think it has more to due with him being biased, theres nothing like Rollo pushing SLI on these forums and telling us we cant live without Softshadows.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why would you not buy a similar priced GeForce 6800 GT instead of two 6600GT in SLI mode? You will pay the same price and performance wise the 6800 GT will be better in higher resolutions as it has 256-bit memory in an actual 256 MB configuration. From that point of view you can't beat the 6800 GT. [/i]

Link: http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/186/11/

6600 GT SLI gets beat in just about every benchmark (sometimes badly) by a single 6800 GT. It makes no sense whatsoever to recommend buying 6600 GT SLI. I don't know what the circumstances was behind you two arguing about it but from a consumer standpoint it would be idiotic to want to purchase 6600 GT SLI over a single 6800 GT.[/quote]

5150:
The 6800GT is a better overall solution than a 6600GT SLI rig. What I was doing back in the days Bouzouki is referring to is posting benchmarks that showed the 6600GT SLI isn't as bad as people made it out to be.

Usually the difference was in running 2X8X instead of 4X8X.

In any case, I've got 6600GT SLI and 6800GT SLI, so I pretty much know what's going on with 6600GTs and 6800GTs.

Bouzouki is making a lame attempt to question my credibility by hissing "Rollo didn't bash 6600GT SLI with the rest of us- he MUST be crazy!". It's the price I pay for not running panting down the path of "I've read 10 reviews, averaged the scores, found card X beats card Y by an average of 2.19FPS in 54.2% of games benched, I hereby declare card X superior!" <spankspankspank>

You apparently haven't heard there's no greater sin than trying out a card just because you like to try out cards.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

it would be idiotic to want to purchase 6600 GT SLI over a single 6800 GT.

Rollo is an idiot but I think it has more to due with him being biased, theres nothing like Rollo pushing SLI on these forums and telling us we cant live without Softshadows.

Call for BAN, request in FI

 

[fstime]

Thats funny, go for it.

You know it, I know it, your biased, period.

 

[imported_Grave]

Ok guys stop it. Don't ruin this thread. If u have something to say just use pm.

 

[MegaWorks]

Rollo I don't care how many ATI cards you own or going to buy, you're extremely bias thought nVidia. Your position is very clear to some of us here in the forums, I don?t understand why you?re trying to hide it.

 

[xTYBALTx]

/End Flamewar

 

[Regs]

Until the 7800 GTX falls under 400 dollars, ATI actually releases something other than bad news, developers start making games worth buying, and if Nvidia would tailor to 939 AGP owners, I couldn't care less about this thread.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: g3pro
I'll just wait until the G80 comes out before I make any final decision. After all, the G70 was supposed to compete with the X800, which it totally nuked out of the water. So the R520 is supposed to compete with the G80. I can deal with that.

The X800 series is competing with the 6800, not the 7800. Where have you been the last year?

I don't know where you've been the past year. I see the 6800 long replaced by the 7800, and I see the X800 series as the latest from ATi on the market. If ATi releases its r520 at the end of 2005, the G80, due next year, will be the product from nVidia to compete with the r520. I'm sorry, but ATi has been passed up for a generation of hardware. ATi now has to play catch-up.

pwned.

So how you see it is because the R520 out the X800 automatically becomes ATis next gen card? Err its been out for 6 months or more. So what your saying is that the X800 came out over 6 months ago. I would have thought ATi pwned nVidia in releasing its next gen card quite early.

But no. The X800 and the 6800 are the competing cards, the 7800 has no competition for now. the G80 is due END OF NEXT YEAR!!! just the same as the R600 is due at the same time. And you know what, ATi are ahead of nVidia in that respect as from what weve been told and learnt from the R500 for the Xbox360 is that this is going to be the R600 with quite a few tweaks. So we will be seeing ATi coming out with the end of next year GPU first.

ATi has been passed up for the next generation of cards? Please tell me how? its been ooooo about 2 months since the 7800GTX launch. What was the gap between the launch of the 5800U and the 9700Pro and the 9800Pro and 5900U? Oh about a cool 6 months. That didnt stop nVidia did it.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

Originally posted by: m21s
ATI is still making video cards...interesting...

ROTFL!

and they still have a higher market share than nvidia:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1649564&enterthread=y

Yay for integrated... well atleast it keeps them floating nicely financially.

Not really, I believe they reported $9 million loss last quarter while nVidia reported record profits?

And then ATi have their new chipsets, XBox 360 and R520 to be released.
(Which also might suck up some money in research above what nVidia may comparably have to invest)

3 tape outs on R520 = ~$12,000,000

 

[ArchAngel777]

Don't count on picking up a x1000xt pe for under $650 dollars. When you see this card you will understand. The performance of 2x 7800 for the price of 1 thats bang for the buck. Befor you nvidia fans start slaming me I suggest you wait and see. The cheaper cards from Ati will compete with the Nvidia 7800 ultra's.

Crossfire for the X1000 XT pe will be a waste of money. 1 card is going to be CPU limited. If you want crossfire the cheaper models of the R520 will do nicely as some benchieshave already leaked the performance of the mainstream X950 dang chinamen break all the rules. 4 weeks left and the Sh1t is going to hit the fan.

Do you really think ATI would introduce their next generation GPU with a small 50% increase in performance?( not)

I must say, though I rarely comment on another user, Intelia is quite anoying. I contemplated whether or not to respond to this, because it is pretty much full of BS.

Anyway, if you can picture with me, a timeline of graphics cards for the last 4-5 years, you will notice one main thing:

The performancee of the next generation cards have never been 2X the performance of the past models. You are basicaly saying that ATI will be releasing a card 2X faster than the current top of the line card, furthermore, that also means it will be 150-200% faster than it's own top of the line card - 850 XT. This simply does not line up with what we have been seeing in the last 5 years in the graphics card industry.

Basically, if your saying ATI can release a single card 2X that of the current 7800 GTX, then it would be around 2.5 - 3X faster than the 850... I don't buy it and it is completely unrealistic.

Will the new ATI card be fast? Possibly. But your claims are far off... Time will prove it and just make you look like a blabber mouth.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Wag
AGP parts?

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Wag
AGP parts?

How much higher performer is the 7800 over the X850?

I stand corrected 1x is what I was tring to imply the same as the X800xt pe over the 9800Pro. Sorry about that. But thats what I expect a 1x improvement . If the 9800 pro was gettig 50FPS and the X800xt pe gets a 100fps. By my math. 1x50=50 2x50 = 100 . So I thought I was saying it right. I expect a 100% improvement to me thats 2X. I don't know but my math shows me to be correct.

Don't expect the top of the line R520 to be running at 16 pipes thats were the mainstream cards will be. 24 on the R520 maybe 32. On the R580 expect to see 32 pipes

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050807051447.html


http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20050626190852.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050614170548.html

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Rollo
5150:
The 6800GT is a better overall solution than a 6600GT SLI rig. What I was doing back in the days Bouzouki is referring to is posting benchmarks that showed the 6600GT SLI isn't as bad as people made it out to be.

Usually the difference was in running 2X8X instead of 4X8X.

In any case, I've got 6600GT SLI and 6800GT SLI, so I pretty much know what's going on with 6600GTs and 6800GTs.

Bouzouki is making a lame attempt to question my credibility by hissing "Rollo didn't bash 6600GT SLI with the rest of us- he MUST be crazy!". It's the price I pay for not running panting down the path of "I've read 10 reviews, averaged the scores, found card X beats card Y by an average of 2.19FPS in 54.2% of games benched, I hereby declare card X superior!" <spankspankspank>

You apparently haven't heard there's no greater sin than trying out a card just because you like to try out cards.

Right, just like with the 5800, you were trying too hard to convince people the 6600GT SLI setup wasn't that bad of a choice. But when there is a clearly better option, instead of saying "this is almost as good for just as much money, if not more, you decide", you come off as pimping the solution that defies logic.

The 6800GT was not only better overall for the user back in the day of your 6600GT ?pimping?, it was also cheaper and less of a hassle, but you don?t seem to understand that people might not be buying their hardware out of ?coolness? factor because they enjoy tinkering with it more than getting use out of it.

These days might be a different story; now that SLI motherboards have dropped dramatically in price as well as the fact that you can find 6600GT?s on the cheap. If you grabbed an SLI board and a 6600GT several months ago, the upgrade today would probably allow you to come ahead of a 6800GT route if not break even as opposed to being behind if you did it in the past, however there would have still been all those months you were stuck merely with 6600GT performance, so the ONLY logical reason to go 6600GT would be as an upgrade path an only if you couldn?t afford a 6800GT outright. Any other reasons would involve sillyness such as ?I like playing with my hardware more than playing because of it.?

 

[Marsumane]

Who cares if he has a slight bias towards nv. He contributes to peoples' problems on this forum more then just about any one of us and knows what he is talking about. His bias, although u think it clouds his judgments entirely, does not stop him from being a respectful, knowledgable person far back further then when even I joined these forums. You may somewhat disagree with him on some of his opinions, but the majority of time he has good reason to back them up dispite the fact that they are disputable.

I mean come on. Its not like hes saying his 5800u beats an x800xt. Usually he has some solid evidence that proves his point dispite the counter evidence that you have viewed. On top of that, usually I agree with what his opinion is. His bias generally only effects cards that are VERY close in speed and features. My point is that his contribution and shared knowledge FAR outweigh his slight bias that may occasionally lead some people to get a card that is 8% slower in 2/3 of the situations.

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Marsumane
Who cares if he has a slight bias towards nv. He contributes to peoples' problems on this forum more then just about any one of us ...

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Intelia
Don't count on picking up a x1000xt pe for under $650 dollars. When you see this card you will understand. The performance of 2x 7800 for the price of 1 thats bang for the buck. Befor you nvidia fans start slaming me I suggest you wait and see. The cheaper cards from Ati will compete with the Nvidia 7800 ultra's

it seems you have very limited knowledge about the "know-how" of GPUs and i suggest you do some reading. just because the R520 may have 32 pipes WONT MEAN THAT IT WILL DOUBLE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE GTX. the GTX has a superb architecture and it will take some doing to outbeat it. nowadays fill-rate doesnt tell much about card performance.

Originally posted by: Intelia

Do you really think ATI would introduce their next generation GPU with a small 50% increase in performance?( not)

this is the most stupid comment ive read so far in this thread. did you really think Nvidia wanted to release the NV30 so that it would be inferior to the 9xxx series??(not) No company wants to release a card with small increases in performances. its just not realistically possible to get 2x+ increases all the time. chances are ATI's new card may not even have a 50% increase based on many rumors considering manufacturing probs etc etc....although we will have to wait and see.

I dont mean to flame you but your post is a load of BS.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Marsumane
Who cares if he has a slight bias towards nv. He contributes to peoples' problems on this forum more then just about any one of us and knows what he is talking about. His bias, although u think it clouds his judgments entirely, does not stop him from being a respectful, knowledgable person far back further then when even I joined these forums. You may somewhat disagree with him on some of his opinions, but the majority of time he has good reason to back them up dispite the fact that they are disputable.

I mean come on. Its not like hes saying his 5800u beats an x800xt. Usually he has some solid evidence that proves his point dispite the counter evidence that you have viewed. On top of that, usually I agree with what his opinion is. His bias generally only effects cards that are VERY close in speed and features. My point is that his contribution and shared knowledge FAR outweigh his slight bias that may occasionally lead some people to get a card that is 8% slower in 2/3 of the situations.

finally some sense in this otherwise stupid thread.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Marsumane
Who cares if he has a slight bias towards nv. He contributes to peoples' problems on this forum more then just about any one of us and knows what he is talking about. His bias, although u think it clouds his judgments entirely, does not stop him from being a respectful, knowledgable person far back further then when even I joined these forums. You may somewhat disagree with him on some of his opinions, but the majority of time he has good reason to back them up dispite the fact that they are disputable.

I mean come on. Its not like hes saying his 5800u beats an x800xt. Usually he has some solid evidence that proves his point dispite the counter evidence that you have viewed. On top of that, usually I agree with what his opinion is. His bias generally only effects cards that are VERY close in speed and features. My point is that his contribution and shared knowledge FAR outweigh his slight bias that may occasionally lead some people to get a card that is 8% slower in 2/3 of the situations.

Thanks Marsumane.

Am I alone in thinking we never really need to hear about 5800s again? Not like you can buy them very easily, or would want to.

LOL- I compare the 9700Pro to the 5800U years ago, declare the 5800U isn't as bad as people say it is, and we have to hear about it for the rest of our lives. :roll:

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: Intelia
Don't count on picking up a x1000xt pe for under $650 dollars. When you see this card you will understand. The performance of 2x 7800 for the price of 1 thats bang for the buck. Befor you nvidia fans start slaming me I suggest you wait and see. The cheaper cards from Ati will compete with the Nvidia 7800 ultra's

it seems you have very limited knowledge about the "know-how" of GPUs and i suggest you do some reading. just because the R520 may have 32 pipes WONT MEAN THAT IT WILL DOUBLE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE GTX. the GTX has a superb architecture and it will take some doing to outbeat it. nowadays fill-rate doesnt tell much about card performance.

Originally posted by: Intelia

Do you really think ATI would introduce their next generation GPU with a small 50% increase in performance?( not)

this is the most stupid comment ive read so far in this thread. did you really think Nvidia wanted to release the NV30 so that it would be inferior to the 9xxx series??(not) No company wants to release a card with small increases in performances. its just not realistically possible to get 2x+ increases all the time. chances are ATI's new card may not even have a 50% increase based on many rumors considering manufacturing probs etc etc....although we will have to wait and see.

I dont mean to flame you but your post is a load of BS.

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No problem I just believe Ati R520 is going to be around 100% faster based on benchies of the GPU before it was respun. 10500 in pc mark before respin.

Crossfire X850xt's 15540 in In pc mark 05 O/C Before respin of the crossfire chip.

Those are impressive scores .

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Intelia
No problem I just believe Ati R520 is going to be around 100% faster based on benchies of the GPU before it was respun. 10500 in pc mark before respin.

Crossfire X850xt's 15540 in In pc mark 05 O/C Before respin of the crossfire chip.

Those are impressive scores .

So do you have ANY links to proof or are all your numbers just guesses?