R590, R600 Stuff

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
jsut have to say this,

no flames! sign of this place returning to normal? they shouldnt lock the AEG thread...its keeping the usual fanboys busy

Wait till the G71 is released...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
jsut have to say this,

no flames! sign of this place returning to normal? they shouldnt lock the AEG thread...its keeping the usual fanboys busy

Wait till the G71 is released...

 

[tuteja1986]

lol

 

[Steelski]

This is a big suprise. Most people thought the R590 was going to be fully featured. Maybee it still will be????? My guess for next ATI top card is still a R580 with higher clock and gddr4.

 

[Doctorweir]

Hmmm...would be nice if the disabled stuff could be unlocked again => helluvabang4buckcard

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
80nm R600

im all for progress but 90 -> 80nm seems abit, well, pointless

My limited understanding is that it will be cheaper to make and likely use less power. So I guess it is one way to pay for a respin? I am surprised so quick though. Hopefully this means the 7900 is coming along nicely and ati needs more to compete.

No respin needed! This is all TSMC's doing and neither Nvidia or ATI have to do a thing except agree to let them do it. I hope they pass the savings on to us with cheaper cards!!

 

[yacoub]

I'm sure this won't be the ONLY card using the R590 core.
I'm betting X1800GTO, X1950XT, maybe another card as well.

Also, regarding the drop to 80nm, think about it from the end user perspective. Benefits:

Less power consumption
Runs cooler (overclocking, hello! :] )
More per wafer means slightly cheaper production cost, could be passed on to consumer.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
80nm R600

im all for progress but 90 -> 80nm seems abit, well, pointless

My limited understanding is that it will be cheaper to make and likely use less power. So I guess it is one way to pay for a respin? I am surprised so quick though. Hopefully this means the 7900 is coming along nicely and ati needs more to compete.

i know, but will 10nm drop, make all that much of a difference? i would of thought they'd drop to 65nm next, then 45nm or something.

if it makes a good difference then, they should go for it, but retooling a fab for minimal gains seems odd

~15% more transistors, higher clockspeed ceiling, likely more power consumption (but thats kind of a given)

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: yacoub
I'm sure this won't be the ONLY card using the R590 core.
I'm betting X1800GTO, X1950XT, maybe another card as well.

Also, regarding the drop to 80nm, think about it from the end user perspective. Benefits:

Less power consumption
Runs cooler (overclocking, hello! :] )
More per wafer means slightly cheaper production cost, could be passed on to consumer

Or most obviously bigger profits for ATi....

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: yacoub
I'm sure this won't be the ONLY card using the R590 core.
I'm betting X1800GTO, X1950XT, maybe another card as well.

Also, regarding the drop to 80nm, think about it from the end user perspective. Benefits:

Less power consumption
Runs cooler (overclocking, hello! :] )
More per wafer means slightly cheaper production cost, could be passed on to consumer

Or most obviously bigger profits for ATi....

Mostly true. They would never pass the savings on to the customer, unless it was to undercut the competition's price.

Also there are some initial costs that need to be covered by moving to a different process.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: yacoub
I'm sure this won't be the ONLY card using the R590 core.
I'm betting X1800GTO, X1950XT, maybe another card as well.

Also, regarding the drop to 80nm, think about it from the end user perspective. Benefits:

Less power consumption
Runs cooler (overclocking, hello! :] )
More per wafer means slightly cheaper production cost, could be passed on to consumer.

Might not be using low-k so it might not be that great at ocing.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Steelski
This is a big suprise. Most people thought the R590 was going to be fully featured. Maybee it still will be????? My guess for next ATI top card is still a R580 with higher clock and gddr4.

I thought so too, and so far there's no indication that the r590 will not also include a higher clocked r580. Also, I was thinking about how those xtx's are cherry picked cores, and it's possible that Ati will release a new bios that clocks the xtx at 700mhz core/850mhz mem, without having to release a new high end card. But that depends on how competitive the 7900gtx turns out, and it may or may not be necessary to release a newer high end x1900.