"The Reason":Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Oh man I hope apoppin doesn't read that. :lips:Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's not what you have most of the time, but how you use it I guess.
so you made *sure* i wouldn't notice
and ...
Why?
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Well, don't forget... the 8800GTX does render that porn star in real time. I ran it on my PC and it ran kinda poorly, although I was forcing 16x Quality AA and 16x Quality AF at the time, which I'm QUITE sure the original program did not ask for .
* Tell me baby.. Do you like Quality AA? AF?
* Oh yeah talk to me dirty.. Tell me about SPs..
Originally posted by: jim1976
Way too early for such a discussion..
Originally posted by: SexyK
Unfortunately I'm just not buying the idea that they're holding back R600 so that they can do a top-to-bottom launch. If that were the case, what would be the logic in scheduling a major release party then having to cancel it? It just doesn't add up to me. I'm with apoppin on this one.
I understand the idea that ATI/AMD can't always be in a reactionary position as they were with the 7800/7900/x1800/x1900 generation, but I still don't believe that's a sound reason to delay the R600 launch if R600 competes well with G80. Look at it this way - at this point, ATI/AMD knows that nVidia is ready to respond to the R600 launch with new high end and midrange DX10 parts. That isn't going to change in the future just because ATI/AMD is launching a broader lineup.
In this situation, if R600 actually outperforms G80, ATI/AMD would launch it with or without the midrange parts because 1) R600 itself would eat into nVidia's high-end DX10 sales and 2) it would give midrange DX10 buyers a reason to wait for midrange R600 parts rather than jumping on nVidia midrange parts immediatly on launch. Sure, they'd be in a better position with a full lineup, but they're just not competing at all right now which is a serious, serious problem.
I guess what I'm saying is, bottom line I believe ATI/AMD would not have cancelled the launch if R600 were at least on par with G80. They are not competing AT ALL in the DX10 market and high-end DX9 market right now. They have nothing to lose by launching a better-performing part as quickly as possible even if nVidia immediatly responds with new high-end and midrange parts. I'm convinced that either they've found some kind of show-stopping bug or R600 just doesn't compete like they'd hoped at this point.
Originally posted by: SickBeast
"The Reason":Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Oh man I hope apoppin doesn't read that. :lips:Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's not what you have most of the time, but how you use it I guess.
so you made *sure* i wouldn't notice
and ...
Why?
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Well, don't forget... the 8800GTX does render that porn star in real time. I ran it on my PC and it ran kinda poorly, although I was forcing 16x Quality AA and 16x Quality AF at the time, which I'm QUITE sure the original program did not ask for .
* Tell me baby.. Do you like Quality AA? AF?
* Oh yeah talk to me dirty.. Tell me about SPs..
Originally posted by: jim1976
Way too early for such a discussion..
Originally posted by: apoppin
i still don't get it
i had jim1976 answering himself ... i didn't post *anything* ... not even a comment
Originally posted by: jojo29
Ok, This question is only that, a question. Im looking to upgrade my computer, actually not even upgrade, build my second rig, and by the looks of things, the market has changed quite a bit since i've built my last system. So here are my perceptions/questions:
Intel is now the gaming processor of choice over AMD 64 FX??? This is what surprised me the most as when i built my system ( even then it wasnt the best ) AMD clearly had the lead in gaming performance over Intel. If this is true when and what processors did Intel "take the lead"? Also if i was going to build a system NOW, what would be the the best MIDDLE and best HIGH END processor from Intel/AMD??? or just Intel?
Now this subject is a bit different. ATI and NVID have always been back and forth. I take it from the amount of people upset by ATI's delays that although there was strong competition between ATI and Nvidia, ATI might have been overall better? Now though it seems that Nvidia is kicking ATI's ass as well? Again ive only built one system, my current system and i too went with ATI, at the time i bought a ATI 9800Pro and upgraded some time ago so the ATI 1600Pro ( i still have an AGP board( it was my first comp build), dont laugh i plan to only upgrade only when i need to, but when i do upgrade it will be major
Anyways on my thoughts on why AMD/ATI has fallen behind, i think is because of their merge. Whenever companies merge it is always a mess, something always falls behind and i have confidence that they will pick up steam. I work for a company called Medtronic Minimed, MRG merged with Medtronic, and man it was such a mess, for i believe 2-4 years some product fell behind. WHy? people forget to realize that some people in a company have to PHYSICALLY be transferred to the new company, as well as equipment, supplies, etc...and look now, Medtronic is one of the leading companies in diabetic technologies. Maybe ATI/AMD are going through a similiar process?? I hope so, i really like supporting what in my eyes are the "underdogs" in this marketplace as Intel is known all over more so than AMD and same with Nvidia over ATI.
AMD moved to squash mumbles of manufacturing problems with the R600 GPU, which has been delayed "a few weeks". It wheeled out a teraflop-capable desktop working off GPU-enabled "stream computing". Researchers at Stanford were already writing supercomputing applications for the beast, which has two R600s on board.
"R600 is doing very well and there's a reason we're going to launch it when we're going to launch it...I'll take the blame", Richard said.
Launching Direct X 10 chipsets piecemeal was not welcome with AMD's OEMs, and would not give the best economic value for the firm, despite the clamour for new kit from hardcore gamers and computing enthusiasts, he added.
The benefits of the ATI swallow filtering down the product range will pile pressure on Intel, he claimed. "We are the one with the balanced story. There's a leadership position in terms of what we've done with the ATI merger."
Originally posted by: Creig
Interesting... Perhaps the "delayed for marketing purposes" idea isn't totally bogus.
AMD moved to squash mumbles of manufacturing problems with the R600 GPU, which has been delayed "a few weeks". It wheeled out a teraflop-capable desktop working off GPU-enabled "stream computing". Researchers at Stanford were already writing supercomputing applications for the beast, which has two R600s on board.
"R600 is doing very well and there's a reason we're going to launch it when we're going to launch it...I'll take the blame", Richard said.
Launching Direct X 10 chipsets piecemeal was not welcome with AMD's OEMs, and would not give the best economic value for the firm, despite the clamour for new kit from hardcore gamers and computing enthusiasts, he added.
The benefits of the ATI swallow filtering down the product range will pile pressure on Intel, he claimed. "We are the one with the balanced story. There's a leadership position in terms of what we've done with the ATI merger."
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/28/amd_690g_launch/
Originally posted by: Creig
Interesting... Perhaps the "delayed for marketing purposes" idea isn't totally bogus.
AMD moved to squash mumbles of manufacturing problems with the R600 GPU, which has been delayed "a few weeks". It wheeled out a teraflop-capable desktop working off GPU-enabled "stream computing". Researchers at Stanford were already writing supercomputing applications for the beast, which has two R600s on board.
"R600 is doing very well and there's a reason we're going to launch it when we're going to launch it...I'll take the blame", Richard said.
Launching Direct X 10 chipsets piecemeal was not welcome with AMD's OEMs, and would not give the best economic value for the firm, despite the clamour for new kit from hardcore gamers and computing enthusiasts, he added.
The benefits of the ATI swallow filtering down the product range will pile pressure on Intel, he claimed. "We are the one with the balanced story. There's a leadership position in terms of what we've done with the ATI merger."
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/28/amd_690g_launch/
Originally posted by: Creig
Interesting... Perhaps the "delayed for marketing purposes" idea isn't totally bogus.
AMD moved to squash mumbles of manufacturing problems with the R600 GPU, which has been delayed "a few weeks". It wheeled out a teraflop-capable desktop working off GPU-enabled "stream computing". Researchers at Stanford were already writing supercomputing applications for the beast, which has two R600s on board.
"R600 is doing very well and there's a reason we're going to launch it when we're going to launch it...I'll take the blame", Richard said.
Launching Direct X 10 chipsets piecemeal was not welcome with AMD's OEMs, and would not give the best economic value for the firm, despite the clamour for new kit from hardcore gamers and computing enthusiasts, he added.
The benefits of the ATI swallow filtering down the product range will pile pressure on Intel, he claimed. "We are the one with the balanced story. There's a leadership position in terms of what we've done with the ATI merger."
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/28/amd_690g_launch/
Originally posted by: Creig
Interesting... Perhaps the "delayed for marketing purposes" idea isn't totally bogus.
AMD moved to squash mumbles of manufacturing problems with the R600 GPU, which has been delayed "a few weeks". It wheeled out a teraflop-capable desktop working off GPU-enabled "stream computing". Researchers at Stanford were already writing supercomputing applications for the beast, which has two R600s on board.
"R600 is doing very well and there's a reason we're going to launch it when we're going to launch it...I'll take the blame", Richard said.
Launching Direct X 10 chipsets piecemeal was not welcome with AMD's OEMs, and would not give the best economic value for the firm, despite the clamour for new kit from hardcore gamers and computing enthusiasts, he added.
The benefits of the ATI swallow filtering down the product range will pile pressure on Intel, he claimed. "We are the one with the balanced story. There's a leadership position in terms of what we've done with the ATI merger."
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/28/amd_690g_launch/
Originally posted by: Creig
Interesting... Perhaps the "delayed for marketing purposes" idea isn't totally bogus.
AMD moved to squash mumbles of manufacturing problems with the R600 GPU, which has been delayed "a few weeks". It wheeled out a teraflop-capable desktop working off GPU-enabled "stream computing". Researchers at Stanford were already writing supercomputing applications for the beast, which has two R600s on board.
"R600 is doing very well and there's a reason we're going to launch it when we're going to launch it...I'll take the blame", Richard said.
Launching Direct X 10 chipsets piecemeal was not welcome with AMD's OEMs, and would not give the best economic value for the firm, despite the clamour for new kit from hardcore gamers and computing enthusiasts, he added.
The benefits of the ATI swallow filtering down the product range will pile pressure on Intel, he claimed. "We are the one with the balanced story. There's a leadership position in terms of what we've done with the ATI merger."
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/28/amd_690g_launch/
that whole article is PR FUD at is absolute lowest and worst ... shame on AMD ... i thought their standards were higher than ATi'sOriginally posted by: Zebo
Don't believe marketeers, all liars. If they had decent product they'd "preview" it to stave off huge NV migration that's going on. This is a re-tool, either they found it it too hot, too slow or some combination of both that made it second place to what NV already has out or can have out shortly..
Originally posted by: apoppin
that whole article is PR FUD at is absolute lowest and worst ... shame on AMD ... i thought their standards were higher than ATi'sOriginally posted by: Zebo
Don't believe marketeers, all liars. If they had decent product they'd "preview" it to stave off huge NV migration that's going on. This is a re-tool, either they found it it too hot, too slow or some combination of both that made it second place to what NV already has out or can have out shortly..
:thumbsdown:
my advice to them is StFU ... the more *excuses* they make, the more stupid and immature they look ... like they are really *floundering*
is this the *best* their crisis management marketing team could come up with ... after days?
:Q
AMD IS going under
they need to hire me
Originally posted by: apoppin
that whole article is PR FUD at is absolute lowest and worst ... shame on AMD ... i thought their standards were higher than ATi'sOriginally posted by: Zebo
Don't believe marketeers, all liars. If they had decent product they'd "preview" it to stave off huge NV migration that's going on. This is a re-tool, either they found it it too hot, too slow or some combination of both that made it second place to what NV already has out or can have out shortly..
:thumbsdown:
my advice to them is StFU ... the more *excuses* they make, the more stupid and immature they look ... like they are really *floundering*
is this the *best* their crisis management marketing team could come up with ... after days?
:Q
AMD IS going under
they need to hire me
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Great news: means that my X1950Pro won't get obsoleted as fast.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: apoppin
that whole article is PR FUD at is absolute lowest and worst ... shame on AMD ... i thought their standards were higher than ATi'sOriginally posted by: Zebo
Don't believe marketeers, all liars. If they had decent product they'd "preview" it to stave off huge NV migration that's going on. This is a re-tool, either they found it it too hot, too slow or some combination of both that made it second place to what NV already has out or can have out shortly..
:thumbsdown:
my advice to them is StFU ... the more *excuses* they make, the more stupid and immature they look ... like they are really *floundering*
is this the *best* their crisis management marketing team could come up with ... after days?
:Q
AMD IS going under
they need to hire me
... AMD is allowing 100% ATI management and engineering on this last card so it's not like ATI has been forced to change thier stripes, yet
I look for change to come next gen in so far as attitudes and atmospherics... and hopefully processes
ATI should have hired you a long time ago
Originally posted by: ronnn
So amd demoed the r600 crossfire making teraflops? Pretty strange, as some unheard of game would have been better.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
You mean that you have never played "teraflops". I think EA makes it. :laugh:
The controls are similar to 3dMark.
Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: Wreckage
You mean that you have never played "teraflops". I think EA makes it. :laugh:
The controls are similar to 3dMark.
:laugh: