R600 Delayed AGAIN!

[Zebo]

Opteron FWIW most should hit 3ghz which is about a E6600/E6700 stock, not that it makes any difference in games when video card takes over and precedence.

 

[Gstanfor]

I'm not an overclocker. Have no problems with purchasing the performance levels I desire. Also want to tinker with dual-core.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Well, I'm looking to retire the oldest of my Socket-A rigs very soon now, and I've decided I'll give AMD one last chance (as much as I think AMD has made some idiotic decisions lately, I would still rather give them my money than intel --for now--). Let us all hope there is some fiendishly clever master plan we have yet to see or this (A64 X2 6000+) may be the last AMD CPU I ever purchase, which would be sad -except for an IBM blue lightning 486 every x86 CPU I've ever owned has been AMD and I've sold many thousands more to consumers over the years.

there is some sadness ... or ,maybe even regret in that post
:Q

would you say the *most* idiotic decision AMD made was to acquire ATi?
:Q

it still ain't *played out* ... i am also hoping for AMD's "fiendishly clever master plan" to start working ... they have proved most resilient in the past and their latest stock doubling plan IS a good way to stave off a hostile takeover [which is not in the works, afaik]
[they *are* thinking ahead]

i wish them well although i am also willing to give you a "realistic assessment" of their dire situation.

 

[Gstanfor]

would you say the *most* idiotic decision AMD made was to acquire ATi?

That was certainly one of them, but by no means all. The "Quad core" package (2 separate cpu's) was another stunning success -- not.

I'm quite sure AMD will survive. They survived K5 & K6, this wouldn't be much of a problem if they weren't dragging the carcass of another company around behind them.

You already know I'm not exactly fond of ATi - just imagine what I'll think of them if they succeed in destroying AMD...

Oh and some trivia - remember prior to the buyout ATi said they & AMD had been in discussions approximately 1 year. I seem to recall ATi's CEO Ky HO departed ATi around that point in time...

 

[apoppin]

more *news*

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38006

AMD issues revenue warning
CHIP MAKER AMD has warned it's unlikely to hit its target of revenues mid $1.6 billion to $1.7 billion for its first calendar quarter, reported Dow Jones.

We reported last Saturday that it plans to double the number of common stock shares available, subject to shareholder approval.

AMD CEO is making a presentation at a Morgan Stanley technology conference in San Francisco later today.

looking forward to that presentation

 

[chrismr]

Sigh, I was hoping on getting the R600. Just got some money though and if I don't buy a card now I will just land up spending it on other stuff, so my 8800gtx will be arriving shortly.

If I knew when ATI was bringing their card out (a specific date) then I may have waited, but I get sick of all the secrecy and delays.

These days I don't much card for either AMD/ATI or NVidia. I feel that they all skrew around with the end users.

I just hope the 8800 drivers are in ok working order for the games I am currently playing.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin
more *news*

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38006

AMD issues revenue warning
CHIP MAKER AMD has warned it's unlikely to hit its target of revenues mid $1.6 billion to $1.7 billion for its first calendar quarter, reported Dow Jones.

We reported last Saturday that it plans to double the number of common stock shares available, subject to shareholder approval.

AMD CEO is making a presentation at a Morgan Stanley technology conference in San Francisco later today.

looking forward to that presentation

Their stock just tanked

I really hope AMD pulls out of this. The news has not been good for them since the C2D came out last year.

 

[KingstonU]

Originally posted by: apoppin

looking forward to that presentation

here is another post I made on this:

I want to hear the conference which was held at 10:30am this morning, (1:30pm eastern time) and it's 2:30pm now.

Here is the actual Technology Conference

But when I open it it says "The stream you have requested i currently unavailable..."

This MSN Money article states that it won't be avialable until 1 hour after the conference is finished.

Their stock just tanked

Yes, it had just jumped a full 1.00$ (that's a lot!) last monday, which had me all excited that things would start turning around, but alas a week later it has dropped back dwon and is even below the $14/share now.

I really hope AMD pulls out of this. The news has not been good for them since the C2D came out last year.

yep it will have been a full year that Intel has had the lead with C2D before Barcelona catches up.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

would you say the *most* idiotic decision AMD made was to acquire ATi?

That was certainly one of them, but by no means all. The "Quad core" package (2 separate cpu's) was another stunning success -- not.

I'm quite sure AMD will survive. They survived K5 & K6, this wouldn't be much of a problem if they weren't dragging the carcass of another company around behind them.

You already know I'm not exactly fond of ATi - just imagine what I'll think of them if they succeed in destroying AMD...

Oh and some trivia - remember prior to the buyout ATi said they & AMD had been in discussions approximately 1 year. I seem to recall ATi's CEO Ky HO departed ATi around that point in time...

When you think they could have bought NV for the same price and cheaper if they acted out thier globalist expansion plans a little earlier it's even more disconcerting. Now NV is worth more than ATI/AMD combined. If AMD dies it won't be C2D that kills them, it'll be servicing the debt for a lemon they bought high. They can't can't even sell the POS for any appreciable value at this point, and certainly not even close to what they paid. .

 

[Gstanfor]

AMD won't go bankrupt. nvidia won't allow it. I'm betting this will all end up with nvidia purchasing AMD within two years.

That will be a good thing, and AMD might finally start to realise their potential under comeptent management.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
AMD won't go bankrupt. nvidia won't allow it. I'm betting this will all end up with nvidia purchasing AMD within two years.

That will be a good thing, and AMD might finally start to realise their potential under comeptent management.

now that's an *interesting* thought :light:
:Q



and 'no' ... i don't think the current market will let bankruptcy happen to AMD at this point ... but we should seem them "scale back" if they can't cut it with Barcelona and R600.

not too many stocks are really doing well this week

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
AMD won't go bankrupt. nvidia won't allow it. I'm betting this will all end up with nvidia purchasing AMD within two years.

That will be a good thing, and AMD might finally start to realise their potential under comeptent management.

Except for that fact that there will only be one manufacturer of high-end discrete graphics. That would be a very bad situation IMO. Innovation is a good thing. Six months with one company on top will be bad enough and that's just relating to pricing.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
AMD won't go bankrupt. nvidia won't allow it. I'm betting this will all end up with nvidia purchasing AMD within two years.

That will be a good thing, and AMD might finally start to realise their potential under comeptent management.

Except for that fact that there will only be one manufacturer of high-end discrete graphics. That would be a very bad situation IMO. Innovation is a good thing. Six months with one company on top will be bad enough and that's just relating to pricing.

intel will also make discreet gfx ... so 2

 

[Matt2]

I'd love to see Nvidia buy AMD and turn them around.

Although ElFear is right though. Unless Intel could come up with a viable GPU rather quickly, we are the ones that will lose.

 

[Gstanfor]

So now the fanatics want to blame nvidia for ATi's inability to compete effectively??? Why am I not surprised? :frown:

Oh and I'm quite sure nvidia would refuse to purchase undesirable portions of AMD's business if they did buy them out in the future. I'll leave as an exercise for the reader to determine which parts nvidia might deem undesirable...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
So now the fanatics want to blame nvidia for ATi's inability to compete effectively??? Why am I not surprised? :frown:

Oh and I'm quite sure nvidia would refuse to purchase undesirable portions of AMD's business if they did buy them out in the future. I'll leave as an exercise for the reader to determine which parts nvidia might deem undesirable...

Too much hate bud. That's got to be unhealthy. Anyway, It would be a bit difficult for a 10billion dollar company to buy another 10 billion dollar company. Wouldn't it? IF ANYTHING!!! Merger would be the only way I can see that happening, and Nvidia despises the word merger almost as much as you hate everything ATI.

 

[Gstanfor]

Thing is nvidia will keep going up, while I can only see AMD going down. Even if nvidia merely breaks even, they will still be worth well over 15 billion, pushing or exceeding 20 billion in a couple of years time.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
So now the fanatics want to blame nvidia for ATi's inability to compete effectively??? Why am I not surprised? :frown:

Oh and I'm quite sure nvidia would refuse to purchase undesirable portions of AMD's business if they did buy them out in the future. I'll leave as an exercise for the reader to determine which parts nvidia might deem undesirable...

I assume you're referring to me with that comment. Did you read what I wrote?? I was making reference to your comment about Nvidia buying out AMD one day. I don't blame Nvidia for AMD's current troubles but even you have to admit that having only one discrete graphics card manufacturer would be bad for consumers.

Where did you come up with "fanatic"? Did you figure that out from my sig? :disgust:

 

[Gstanfor]

How is that nvidia's fault though? and nv3x aside (for the sake of this argument since nv3x is only "bad" when compared to r3xx), since when has buying a nvidia card been bad for consumers?

Try blaming ATi (and all the others) for being too failing to compete effectively (and not just on performance terms either).

 

[Cooler]

If amd is sold they lose their x86 license . For that reason alone they will go under or survive on their own. Last thing we need is Intel with close to 100% of desktop CPU market.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
How is that nvidia's fault though? and nv3x aside (for the sake of this argument since nv3x is only "bad" when compared to r3xx), since when has buying a nvidia card been bad for consumers?

Try blaming ATi (and all the others) for being too failing to compete effectively (and not just on performance terms either).

It would be Nvidia's doing if they hypothetically bought AMD one day because it would put the ATI division out of business. There would be only one manufacturer of discrete graphics (barring an amazing showing by Intel) which basic economics and common sense say would be bad. Right now buying Nvidia cards isn't bad for the consumer (except for those chaps having driver issues ) but if Nvidia were the only player do you really think they would continue to sink so much money into R&D? No way. Nor would there be any competition to drive prices down as we are seeing in the high-end market currently.

ATI/AMD certainly has problems caused by their own mistakes but that's not what the issue is here. Almost everyone can see that. What myself and others are saying is that it would be bad for Nvidia to buy out AMD as consumers would get the short end of that stick.

 

[Gstanfor]

There would be ways around that, just like Cyrix can still make x86 cpu's despite being owned by VIA.

 

[apoppin]

your 'talk' is a little premature

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: apoppin
your 'talk' is a little premature

No doubt. It's funny we're arguing over something that will probably never happen.

 

[Zebo]

I don't know about "not happening" - Barcelona/Agena has to whoop not just "tie" Intels offerings cause Intel can smash AMD with low pricing all things being equal. They got boxes running why not show benchmarks... not a good sign. Same goes for R600 in both respects. AMD could well be on their way out - ATI payments gives them zero breathing/recouping room.