R600 delays point to problems

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingo

I havent pulled any figure, the $50m figure I quoted for direct from Nvidia. What I didnt do was jump to conclusion like you did claiming it was $50m of profit. :laugh:

lol, where'd you quote it direct from nVidia? What I didn't do was multiply the 400k units shipped and multiply it by the $125 per chip number (someone pulled from their ass) to get total revenue from G80. :laugh:

Listen to their Nvidia's CC. Its 400k units shipped and $50 million of revenue from G80. Thats how you get to $125 per chip. Sorry, no pulling anything from anyone's ass. Unless you are habituated to it, dunno seems like you jump the gun though. :laugh:

This is a fun new trend. :laugh:

I love to put people in their place, especially those who spread FUD.

*Strange* ... you are still with us... in video ...

... in this place

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Funny attempt failed completely.

I never proved you were spreading FUD, did I? If I come across such an occasion and see that no one has responded to it, I'll gladly do the honors.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Zebo
This childish and tired "DAAMIT" phrase needs to end. First of all it wasnt a merger but AMD bought ATI so it should be called AMD. Second no one knows what the hell they mean outside super geeks.

we're "super geeks" !!??!!
:Q



and i don't remember you proving much of anything, crazydingo

:laugh:

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
and i don't remember you proving much of anything, crazydingo

:laugh:

This thread is a good example.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
I love to put people in their place, especially those who spread FUD.

Rofl, you still haven't referenced your source, who's spreading FUD? There wasn't a link to the CC transcript anywhere on NV's site and revenue figures for G80 aren't in any of their financials or press releases. You could've easily just said 50M in Revenue or Income instead of using an ambiguous term like "made". Either way, that 50M and any future G80-based revenue minus production costs is "profit" since R&D is a sunk cost anyways.

But we can cut through all the FUD by stating some facts:

1) G80 is the first and only DX10 compliant part on the market.
2) G80 is the fastest consumer GPU available today.
3) R600 is late and still hasn't launched.
4) AMD/ATI posted operating losses in the last quarter.
5) NV has posted record earnings in the last quarter.

Feel free to continue with your FUD and anti-viral marketing though.

:thumbsup:

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingo
I love to put people in their place, especially those who spread FUD.

Rofl, you still haven't referenced your source, who's spreading FUD? There wasn't a link to the CC transcript anywhere on NV's site and revenue figures for G80 aren't in any of their financials or press releases. You could've easily just said 50M in Revenue or Income instead of using an ambiguous term like "made". Either way, that 50M and any future G80-based revenue minus production costs is "profit" since R&D is a sunk cost anyways.

But we can cut through all the FUD by stating some facts:

1) G80 is the first and only DX10 compliant part on the market.
2) G80 is the fastest consumer GPU available today.
3) R600 is late and still hasn't launched.
4) AMD/ATI posted operating losses in the last quarter.
5) NV has posted record earnings in the last quarter.

I have already stated that the figure is mentioned in the Nvidia's latest CC. You have to listen to it as it was stated in a Q&A session. Your repeated attempts to ignore this simple peice of information suggests a lot about your take on things. You are here simply to spin your arguments. First you argued that G80 made a "profit" last quarter, then questioned the $50m figure, which is in fact straight from Nvidia. :rolleyes; Now you are onto "G80 is the fastest GPU" stuff which by the way is well known fact. You dont have to repeat it in order to sound like you arent spreading FUD. :laugh:

1. G80 is the fastest GPU (DX9 & DX10) available on the market today.
2. R600 or any competing GPU is late to the market.
3. Points 1 and 2 lead to only one conclusion; Nvidia HAS to do well in that segment.
4. Nvidia had some major Vista driver troubles, fixed to an extent but some still existing.
4. Nvidia is in fact doing very well in that segment, a niche which is traditionally less than 10% of the overall GPU market.

Originally posted by: chizow
Feel free to continue with your FUD and anti-viral marketing though.

Now I know what flips out you. I'm glad the shills were smoked out of their holes. :laugh:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingo
I love to put people in their place, especially those who spread FUD.

Rofl, you still haven't referenced your source, who's spreading FUD? There wasn't a link to the CC transcript anywhere on NV's site and revenue figures for G80 aren't in any of their financials or press releases. You could've easily just said 50M in Revenue or Income instead of using an ambiguous term like "made". Either way, that 50M and any future G80-based revenue minus production costs is "profit" since R&D is a sunk cost anyways.

But we can cut through all the FUD by stating some facts:

1) G80 is the first and only DX10 compliant part on the market.
2) G80 is the fastest consumer GPU available today.
3) R600 is late and still hasn't launched.
4) AMD/ATI posted operating losses in the last quarter.
5) NV has posted record earnings in the last quarter.

I have already stated that the figure is mentioned in the Nvidia's latest CC. You have to listen to it as it was stated in a Q&A session. Your repeated attempts to ignore this simple peice of information suggests a lot about your take on things. You are here simply to spin your arguments. First you argued that G80 made a "profit" last quarter, then questioned the $50m figure, which is in fact straight from Nvidia. :rolleyes; Now you are onto "G80 is the fastest GPU" stuff which by the way is well known fact. You dont have to repeat it in order to sound like you arent spreading FUD. :laugh:

1. G80 is the fastest GPU (DX9 & DX10) available on the market today.
2. R600 or any competing GPU is late to the market.
3. Points 1 and 2 lead to only one conclusion; Nvidia HAS to do well in that segment.
4. Nvidia had some major Vista driver troubles, fixed to an extent but some still existing.
4. Nvidia is in fact doing very well in that segment, a niche which is traditionally less than 10% of the overall GPU market.

Originally posted by: chizow
Feel free to continue with your FUD and anti-viral marketing though.

Now I know what flips out you. I'm glad the shills were smoked out of their holes. :laugh:

you did get smoked out

thanks for the admission

and your *points* are all acknowledged as 'commonly known' ... nothing new ... however, only a fanboy would "rub it in" to get personal satisfaction.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
I have already stated that the figure is mentioned in the Nvidia's latest CC. You have to listen to it as it was stated in a Q&A session.

It took you 3 ambiguous replies and a reference to G80's R&D costs before referencing your source. FUD: 3 FACTS: 1

Your repeated attempts to ignore this simple peice of information suggests a lot about your take on things. You are here simply to spin your arguments. First you argued that G80 made a "profit" last quarter, then questioned the $50m figure, which is in fact straight from Nvidia. :rolleyes;

Ignore? Once again, you didn't mention the CC until your 3rd reply and someone else linked to a transcript to the CC. Not that it matters, I know G80 is kicking ass and taking names, there's nothing competing against it. I've seen even the most loyal ATI followers on this board jumping ship and starting threads asking which G80 is right for them. It was never a question of profit, it was how much and how you came up with that figure.

Now you are onto "G80 is the fastest GPU" stuff which by the way is well known fact. You dont have to repeat it in order to sound like you arent spreading FUD. :laugh:

You'd be surprised judging by the number of comments about how R600 is going to stomp G80 or advising people to wait for R600.

1. G80 is the fastest GPU (DX9 & DX10) available on the market today.
2. R600 or any competing GPU is late to the market.
3. Points 1 and 2 lead to only one conclusion; Nvidia HAS to do well in that segment.
4. Nvidia had some major Vista driver troubles, fixed to an extent but some still existing.
4. Nvidia is in fact doing very well in that segment, a niche which is traditionally less than 10% of the overall GPU market.

Save the embedded commentary for the fanboys please.

Now I know what flips out you. I'm glad the shills were smoked out of their holes. :laugh:

Funny, coming from the guy who wears his agenda on his sleeve and splits hairs over an accounting term. I guess when the facts don't weigh in your favor, the shills have got to find something right? :laugh:

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingo
I have already stated that the figure is mentioned in the Nvidia's latest CC. You have to listen to it as it was stated in a Q&A session.

It took you 3 ambiguous replies and a reference to G80's R&D costs before referencing your source. FUD: 3 FACTS: 1

It took you 3 tries to comprehend the fact that you have no ground to stand on and should start to retreat now.
TROLL: 0 FACTS: 1

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Your repeated attempts to ignore this simple peice of information suggests a lot about your take on things. You are here simply to spin your arguments. First you argued that G80 made a "profit" last quarter, then questioned the $50m figure, which is in fact straight from Nvidia. :rolleyes;

Ignore? Once again, you didn't mention the CC until your 3rd reply and someone else linked to a transcript to the CC. Not that it matters, I know G80 is kicking ass and taking names, there's nothing competing against it. I've seen even the most loyal ATI followers on this board jumping ship and starting threads asking which G80 is right for them. It was never a question of profit, it was how much and how you came up with that figure.

Direct from Nvidia equals CC. I have never seen any company mention their finacials/revenue percentage from specific products at any other events. Only a fool would assume otherwise. :laugh:

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingoNow you are onto "G80 is the fastest GPU" stuff which by the way is well known fact. You dont have to repeat it in order to sound like you arent spreading FUD. :laugh:

You'd be surprised judging by the number of comments about how R600 is going to stomp G80 or advising people to wait for R600.

R600 doesnt exist, atleast so far it doesnt. Making purchasing decisions now based on product launches in the future is never wise, especially in segment like videocards. The people who suggest that R600 will stomp G80 are just making a fool of themselves. Nice way to side track the argument, huh?

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingo
1. G80 is the fastest GPU (DX9 & DX10) available on the market today.
2. R600 or any competing GPU is late to the market.
3. Points 1 and 2 lead to only one conclusion; Nvidia HAS to do well in that segment.
4. Nvidia had some major Vista driver troubles, fixed to an extent but some still existing.
4. Nvidia is in fact doing very well in that segment, a niche which is traditionally less than 10% of the overall GPU market.

Save the embedded commentary for the fanboys please.

Served the purpose here.

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Now I know what flips out you. I'm glad the shills were smoked out of their holes. :laugh:

Funny, coming from the guy who wears his agenda on his sleeve and splits hairs over an accounting term. I guess when the facts don't weigh in your favor, the shills have got to find something right? :laugh:

Hey, atleast I'm the not one with hidden agendas and the goal to shill a certain company. :laugh:

Life-time Nvidia user here, so save your accusations.

And the proof is in the pudding here, I dont need to waste any more of my time and energy. Back to my hibernation state until I find some one pretending to know something he doesnt.

[edit - fixed quotes]

 

[gorka]

are you two married or what?

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
It took you 3 tries to comprehend the fact that you have no ground to stand on and should start to retreat now.
TROLL: 0 FACTS: 1

It took you 3 tries to indirectly state your source after disputing someone's 225M figure was bogus. Sad you don't see the irony, being the anti-FUD activist you are.
And speaking of comprehension, what exactly was the point of comparing G80's "profit" relative to its R&D cost. GAAP much?

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Direct from Nvidia equals CC. I have never seen any company mention their finacials/revenue percentage from specific products at any other events. Only a fool would assume otherwise. :laugh:

Or press conference. Or press release. Or interview.

Originally posted by: crazydingo
R600 doesnt exist, atleast so far it doesnt. Making purchasing decisions now based on product launches in the future is never wise, especially in segment like videocards. The people who suggest that R600 will stomp G80 are just making a fool of themselves. Nice way to side track the argument, huh?

Argument? The only issue in question is your inability to back up your assertions in 3 posts or less.

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Served the purpose here.

Right, that you have the inability to distinguish facts from FUD without adding your own spin on things.

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Hey, atleast I'm the one with hidden agendas and the goal to shill a certain company. :laugh:

Life-time Nvidia user here, so save your accusations.

And which company would that be? :laugh: Life-time Nvidia/ATi/Matrox/3dfx/whoever else gets the job done at the time owner, so save your accusations.

 

[BigDH01]

The nVidia CC was quoted above. It seems that the largest growth in revenue was from MCP sales and not high end video sales. This is further evidenced when they say that ASPs for desktop GPUs are slightly down. Obviously, this indicates that more mid to low GPUs were selling as opposed to the 8800. Makes sense, doesn't it?

I've made this argument in other forums as well. The halo effect seen from these chips is not as important as we like to believe. The average consumer simply does not know who has the fastest chip. And both ATI and nVidia will make claim to that title (there are instances where the x1950xtx does beat the 8800gtx). You and I and every other geek out there will know what's the fastest, but not the average consumer. The average consumer will buy based on price and features (even if they don't know that the features mean). AMD's gpu division is not in trouble unless nVidia is ready to go with mid to low end DX10 parts. Then you'll see Dell, HP, and every other OEM tout their DX10 (Vista) acceleration at cheap prices. That's when you need to start worrying about AMD (or ATI or whatever).

BTW, I agree that the whole DAAMIT thing is old. I think it should just be called AMD from now on.

EDIT: And just so people don't get the wrong idea... I'm not an average consumer, I'm an enthusiast and purchased an 8800 for my machine . :thumbsup:

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: BigDH01
(there are instances where the x1950xtx does beat the 8800gtx).

I'm curious as to your proof of this claim.