R9 280, R9 380 or gtx 960?

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secretagent

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Say I do not care about power consumption, my PSU of 500W will not change and my budget of $300 CAD remains (give or take $50 CAD maximum)? What would be the recommended card? Just asking.
 

secretagent

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I just realised, my mobo is not SLI compatible, only crossfire. Should this be an incentive for me to go with an AMD card? Is it a waste of money to even SLI/Crossfire in the first place?
 

tential

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I just realised, my mobo is not SLI compatible, only crossfire. Should this be an incentive for me to go with an AMD card? Is it a waste of money to even SLI/Crossfire in the first place?
Given your situation and budget I wouldn't factor this in....
 

secretagent

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Given your situation and budget I wouldn't factor this in....

Well, I kinda meant "Buy a 'good for todays standards'" 4Gb card now, and in a year, slap on another one of the same card, and make it "good for todays standards" system again, because todays standards will probably become a year ago's standards in a year. Sorry for the confusion. Now that we are on the same page, is it still a bad idea?
 

Headfoot

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R9 290 if you can find one in your budget or GTX 970 if you can find one in budget but I dont think youll be able to.

I suggest you actually do the math on how much more power usage a video card makes in total kwH in a month and compare it to your actual monthly usage. The bottom line is its almost entirely immaterial because its a small power user used far less frequently than other significantly higher power using appliances. You can save the difference between a 290 and a 970 for 2 hours every day by using your drying machine 1-2 less time a month (depending on what kind of drying machine ofc). If you have more than one refrigerator or freezer you'd be vastly better served by consolidating your food items and turning one off. Putting that 3M plastic sealer over your windows is going to save way more energy than trying to micromanage a handful of watts on a video card.

Like I get at in my sig, it's literally 100% pointless to worry about video card power consumption if you are using ANY incandescent bulbs for lighting. Switch to CFL or LED and save vastly more power for vastly less $. 60w incandescent = ~15-20w CFL and ~5w LED and both have longer lifespans per bulb too. If you want the most power efficient gaming, its easiest to buy a console.

It's legit to worry about video card consumption once you've eliminated the big ticket items, but otherwise its penny wise and pound foolish.
 
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iiiankiii

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seems pretty simple to me. You want something power efficient, and low cost. The GTX 960 is your only option. With $230 to play without, that's all you can offer. A GTX 970 or R9 390 is out of the question.

The R9 380 is a little stronger than the GTX 960 but consumes 70 watts more.

Bottomline, with your budget and restriction, the GTX 960 is your best option because that's all you can afford.
 

Headfoot

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I am going to list the cards in terms of actual performance.

The best card to buy around $300 is a used after-market R9 290 (1st pick) (many of them on Kijiji). The next best card is a used GTX780 (2nd pick). Below $280, only HD7970 / 7970Ghz editions make sense as everything else is overpriced in the used market in Canada. More on that later.

If we are discussing strictly new, the next best card under $300 is an R9 280X (3rd pick).
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The next best card is the R9 380 4GB (4th pick). Can be easily found for <$300.

The next best card (5th on our list) is the GTX960 4GB.

+1 agreed.
 

crisium

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seems pretty simple to me. You want something power efficient, and low cost. The GTX 960 is your only option. With $230 to play without, that's all you can offer. A GTX 970 or R9 390 is out of the question.

The R9 380 is a little stronger than the GTX 960 but consumes 70 watts more.

Bottomline, with your budget and restriction, the GTX 960 is your best option because that's all you can afford.

A 500W PSU can handle a 380 4GB just fine. It is the fastest card within his budget based on new prices in Canada. There is no need to settle on a 960.

RS suggests looking at the used market at other cards, so that's a different factor as well worthy of discussion. That's where the PSU comes into the equation, because a 290 on a 500W can be worrisome. But there's no worry with a 380.
 

happy medium

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Bold statement but not all runs hot, mine runs well below the supposed max temperature target of 94 degrees and that's in a room that gets quite hot in the summer. Your statements are that of a fanboy. What happened to the statement "their is no such thing as overkill"?

So where does the heat go? Just because the cooler cools the card doesn't mean the card doesn't give off 250 watts of heat. I have a 500 watt space heater in my basement,I sure dont want even half of that blowing in the spring summer or fall.
 

littleg

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So where does the heat go? Just because the cooler cools the card doesn't mean the card doesn't give off 250 watts of heat. I have a 500 watt space heater in my basement,I sure dont want even half of that blowing in the spring summer or fall.

I'm looking for a small family car, nothing special, just to take the kids to school and maybe visit grandma now and again, Honda or Chevy?

happy medium: GTX970, way better than a Honda

My teeth are a bit crooked, anyone know a good dentist?

happy medium: 2GB 960 can do that

My country has suffered a massive genocide, we need food, medicine and doctors.

happy medium: Get a 980ti, the only choice really. DO NOT BUY AMD OR SEEK INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE, BUY AN NVIDIA GRAPHICS CARD.
 

Elfear

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A 500W PSU can handle a 380 4GB just fine. It is the fastest card within his budget based on new prices in Canada. There is no need to settle on a 960.

RS suggests looking at the used market at other cards, so that's a different factor as well worthy of discussion. That's where the PSU comes into the equation, because a 290 on a 500W can be worrisome. But there's no worry with a 380.

A 500W PSU is fine for a single 290, even with some overclocking. Guru3D saw ~372W for the whole system.


So where does the heat go? Just because the cooler cools the card doesn't mean the card doesn't give off 250 watts of heat. I have a 500 watt space heater in my basement,I sure dont want even half of that blowing in the spring summer or fall.

It's not 250W of extra power though. Compared to Nvidia's same class of card (GTX 970), it does use more power but the difference isn't 250W. More like 75W.
 

alexruiz

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R9 380 4GB easily.
The R9 285 is already faster than the GTX960, and the "Antigua Pro" GPU in the R9 380 is a hot clocked "Tonga Pro" in the R9 285. Many of the reviews on the web GTX960 vs R9 380 where they seem "evenly matched" pit stock clocked R9 380s vs Zotac AMPs or Palit super jetstreams, cards already clocked 10-15% higher than other GTX960s.

I propose this one:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131673
Right within your budget. That specific model is very nicely built, aluminum shroud, backing plate, very solid, runs very cool and stays quiet, oh, it also has 4GB. The 2GB version is tempting, same card, 2GB less, $40 cheaper. Take your pick. That specific model is great.

I'll post a picture of a UPS LCD screen showing power consumption at the wall. This UPS is powering a PC with an FX8320 @ 4.2 and R9 380 4GB. During BF4 or war thunder, the thing barely breaks 300W, and that is for whole system including monitor. Is the GTX 960 more power efficient? Yes it is. Is it as extreme as the hype wants you to believe? No, not at all.
 
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secretagent

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R9 290 if you can find one in your budget or GTX 970 if you can find one in budget but I dont think youll be able to.

I suggest you actually do the math on how much more power usage a video card makes in total kwH in a month and compare it to your actual monthly usage. The bottom line is its almost entirely immaterial because its a small power user used far less frequently than other significantly higher power using appliances. You can save the difference between a 290 and a 970 for 2 hours every day by using your drying machine 1-2 less time a month (depending on what kind of drying machine ofc). If you have more than one refrigerator or freezer you'd be vastly better served by consolidating your food items and turning one off. Putting that 3M plastic sealer over your windows is going to save way more energy than trying to micromanage a handful of watts on a video card.

Like I get at in my sig, it's literally 100% pointless to worry about video card power consumption if you are using ANY incandescent bulbs for lighting. Switch to CFL or LED and save vastly more power for vastly less $. 60w incandescent = ~15-20w CFL and ~5w LED and both have longer lifespans per bulb too. If you want the most power efficient gaming, its easiest to buy a console.

It's legit to worry about video card consumption once you've eliminated the big ticket items, but otherwise its penny wise and pound foolish.

Yes, you're right. There are no 290's or 970's that come anywhere near my price range. Also, I really appreciate the power saving tips! I will look into switching out my incandescent bulbs for CFL or LED, and I've ruled out console gaming a very long time ago due to undesired frame rates at undesired resolutions, pure bragging rights, and a couple other small, yet significant things. Do you have any suggestions for cards that are indeed in my price range?
 

96Firebird

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Looks like the 960 4GB and 380 4GB are both around your max budget, either one should suffice. Looks like you also care about power consumption, where the 960 wins.

Or, buy a card in the US, ship it to me, and sail over Lake Ontario and pick it up. I'll even test it out for ya.
 

xthetenth

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I'm looking for a small family car, nothing special, just to take the kids to school and maybe visit grandma now and again, Honda or Chevy?

happy medium: GTX970, way better than a Honda

My teeth are a bit crooked, anyone know a good dentist?

happy medium: 2GB 960 can do that

My country has suffered a massive genocide, we need food, medicine and doctors.

happy medium: Get a 980ti, the only choice really. DO NOT BUY AMD OR SEEK INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE, BUY AN NVIDIA GRAPHICS CARD.

I'm looking for a good card to pair with a Freesync monitor. Recommendations? :awe:
 

secretagent

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I'm looking for a good card to pair with a Freesync monitor. Recommendations? :awe:

You can't go wrong with quad Titan X SLI, now can you?

Yeah... I'm not going to take anything happy medium says seriously anymore. It seems he is just flat out lying and over exaggerating to prove his point. It does appear that the AMD cards are the outlying winners when it comes to sheer performance/price and the slightly higher power consumption doesn't justify not going with an AMD card. Then there are things like PhysX, TXAA, GSync and other Nvidia-only stuff. Are those things enough to justify going with a 960 over a 380? How about Crossfire, which is the only multi-gpu option my mobo supports? Should this be another factor which will influence AMD over Nvidia? Is it a bad idea to do it with whichever card I go with? (Not right now, of course, I mean buy another card in a year or two), and what does AMD have to offer that counters the Nvidia-only stuff?
 
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tential

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Yes, you're right. There are no 290's or 970's that come anywhere near my price range. Also, I really appreciate the power saving tips! I will look into switching out my incandescent bulbs for CFL or LED, and I've ruled out console gaming a very long time ago due to undesired frame rates at undesired resolutions, pure bragging rights, and a couple other small, yet significant things. Do you have any suggestions for cards that are indeed in my price range?
Honestly if you're purchasin in your price range currently the "bragging" rights you have are almost nonexistent.

In previous gens sure, but with us being stuck on 28nm so long and with horrible ports, you're not getting much more than consoles in terms of graphics. Imo, it's the 290/970+ when it matters and when gpus finally see a node shrink then yes it'll blow consoles away.

Otherwise, I have no idea why so many pc gamers come in thinking they are "superior" to console gamers while rocking "low end" pc gear.
 

secretagent

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I just got a r9 390 for $260.

Sorry, but that's $340.40 Cad, which is the currency I'm using, considering I'm in Canada! Notice how I started off with sorry and am now about to end in a thank you (typical stereotypical Canadian ethic), but thanks for the suggestion anyways!
 

Techhog

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Sorry, but that's $340.40 Cad, which is the currency I'm using, considering I'm in Canada! Notice how I started off with sorry and am now about to end in a thank you (typical stereotypical Canadian ethic), but thanks for the suggestion anyways!

I shouldn't laugh at this, but I did.
 

secretagent

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Honestly if you're purchasin in your price range currently the "bragging" rights you have are almost nonexistent.

In previous gens sure, but with us being stuck on 28nm so long and with horrible ports, you're not getting much more than consoles in terms of graphics. Imo, it's the 290/970+ when it matters and when gpus finally see a node shrink then yes it'll blow consoles away.

Otherwise, I have no idea why so many pc gamers come in thinking they are "superior" to console gamers while rocking "low end" pc gear.

Yeah, I do understand that, and I get that I can build a PC that is the same price as a console, but will perform just as well in games as a console could, and there won't be much of a gain gaming wise. Still, you have to consider things like other things a computer can do besides gaming, such as video editing, easily browsing the internet, and not to mention doing spreadsheets, typing out documents and those things. Either way, I'm more "I built a computer before you did" kinda guy than "My Graphics and fps are slightly better than yours" kinda guy, but that's not important.
 
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