If the 30% core oc on the Lightning doesn't scale perfectly to overcome the Ti's 25% higher core count. Not all games are going to scale linearly with overclocking (nor with core count for that matter).
Tell me in so many words how this:
Beats this:
Also you can stop acting now, it wasn't a very good performance.
I think any critical thinker would call those results into question, considering there isn't even a consensus among the results themselves as far as where to place it. Not only that but the results look like lame duck overclocks, meaning the performance of the 780 in the tests don't line up with each other, let alone what users like myself get at similar clock speeds.
Point was the performance of the Classified didn't match the performance of it's clocks. I thought that was fairly clear from my post?
No we're still on 780 OC > R290, we just got side tracked a bit by odd ball results which don't match expectations for the clocks reported.
If the 30% core oc on the Lightning doesn't scale perfectly to overcome the Ti's 25% higher core count. Not all games are going to scale linearly with overclocking (nor with core count for that matter).
Yea, I'm weird like that I guess.
When I look at my results vs other peoples they make sense. When I look at what you posted they don't, which would you go with in my position?
Are you looking at the Pixel fillrate, Texture fillrate and Bandwidth differences? Because if you did, then what you said above here doesn't make a difference. It doesn't have to scale perfectly to overcome the Ti's core count advantage. It just has to be clocked enough. In this case, it blows the Ti away at its clocks regardless of scaling.
Two words...HELLSPAWN GTX470SLI!!!!!
Looks like the 780 OCs very well but it's not simple to do. Flashing BIOSes is not something I would personally do because that really voids the warranty whereas changing the cooler for example is allowed by some companies.
My 7950s whooped some b-u-t-t too
I already addressed this, at this point the skynet bios are a strawman.
Voltage unlock through MSI AB is the same 290 series user have to use. Else they have to flash to ASUS bios, sounds familiar though the complaints don't?
Black you can unlock 1.3v with Msi ab on the stock bios.
Power then becomes your limiting factor, luckily b1 is great for power _ not so much for clocks though.
Oh christ. Let's just skew the truth here. You don't need the SKYNET bios to overclock the GK110. You don't need a different BIOS - No review website obtained a GK110 overclock with a SKYNET BIOS. Most people don't use that nonsense. I can overclock a 780 just fine without it. Review websites are getting 15-20% better than Titan performance with +38mV, which is what all GTX 780s allow out of the box. Some allow more out of the box. Which is what the vast majority of overclockers use. And it doesn't require a different BIOS. It doesn't require any tricks in Afterburner.
Techpowerup tested nearly 10 factory overclocked aftermarket 780s with all of them being 14-20.2% faster than Titan after overclocking. With +38mV. No SKYNET bios required. No afterburner tricks required. Just the +38mV which is what ALL STOCK 780s allow. Hardwarecanucks? same thing. +38mV. No skynet BIOS. No afterburner tricks. Guru3d? Same thing. I could go on here. Point is, hardly anyone uses the SKYNET BIOS except LN2 or water overclockers who are going for world records.
As far as "voltage neutered" kepler cards, that's pretty hilarious. I seem to remember nearly every GHz edition 7970/7950 being voltage locked. That definitely wasn't voltage neutered though.
You mentioned something about me not complaining about your 7950 crossfire benches, frankly I didn't even see them, but it's hard to take OC results from random people in forums since they can be suicide runs or unstable across the board (as in your 4.8 Ghz haswell).
Each game can be quirky and it may last for 1 min or 2 hours before becoming unstable. This is why people such as Elfear (and myself to some extent) are taking data from reviewers over posters.
About the skynet BIOS, (do you have a source?) you are saying you can take a stock 780 and adjust a setting in the MSI AB config and adjust the voltage? That appears to negate the warranty voiding BIOS if so. To me that gives more credit to overvolting on the voltage neutered NV cards.
While I personally may/may not use the skynet BIOS, I think it's in another category than just normal OCing when it voids a warranty. I'm still interested but broad statements do not apply nor can really be made while using it (such as 780 rules all cards).
How many cards are you using right now Balla?
Oh please. No need to go off on a tangent.
I never said you need it just to OC (or at least that wasn't my intent), but to overvolt (beyond the piddly 38mv) to get the high clocks the 780 needs to actually pull ahead. Apparently that is now possible (for how long Idk) in afterburner. Some guys are throwing out numbers of 1300MHz plus which is basically only achievable with volt mods or on golden cards if at all.
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Black you can unlock 1.3v with Msi ab on the stock bios.
Review websites have obtained 15-20% better than Titan performance with +38mV. Period. End of story. No review websites used such methods that you're describing to overclock the GK110. The only ones using BIOS mods or afterburner modifications are end-users. Not review websites.
Let's recap here. 290X stock = Titan stock. +38mV on an aftermarket GTX 780 can get you 10-20% faster than Titan performance. Techpowerup reviewed nearly 10 aftermarket 780s which netted between 15-20% faster than Titan performance with...guess what....+38mV. As i've stated, +38mV is allowable on all GTX 780 cards without TOUCHING afterburner. Without TOUCHING the BIOS.
You're still trying to make it sound like getting good overclocks requires BIOS modifications or afterburner modifications. That's a distortion of the truth, because you can overclock just fine with aftermarket 780s using only +38mV. And yes, it will be well ahead of the 290X by 10-20%. By the way, HardOCP obtained 1300+MHz on the HOF 780 and with +38mV. I guess they're doing it wrong. So it doesn't need afterburner mods to pull well ahead of the 290X and Titan. 15-20% faster than Titan performance only requires +38mV. Which is how TPU, guru3d, hardwarecanucks, HardOCP, I could go on here, THIS IS HOW EVERY WEBSITE obtained +15-20% faster than Titan performance with their aftermarket GTX 780s. +38mV.
The overclocking results listed in this section were achieved with the default fan and voltage settings as defined in the VGA BIOS. Actual 3D performance gained from overclocking is 20.0%.
Oh, no wait, they overclock fine and will match max clocked golden sample 1300+ GTX780. Also contrary to blackened's outrageous exaggerated claim NOT EVERY WEBSITE got +15-20% overclock on GTX780s. There are plenty of web sites that show GTX780 gets nowhere near 1300 overclock with only +38mV.
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Since you only need 1143MHz boost to get 15-20% better than Titan performance, and 15-20% better than 290X performance, i'd say it is more easily achievable than you're suggesting.
The 1143MHz boost and 1090MHz base GTX 780 DC II at techpowerup was 20% faster than Titan and 20% faster than 290X (extrapolated since 290X stock == Titan stock). 1143MHz is not an outrageously hard overclock to achieve.
Also I never said that the 290X can't overclock.
this crusade to prove GTX780 will always overclock better than R9 290X is futile.