R9 290 or GTX780 ??

[IEC]

I'm good, until the actual 290 series owners man up and start posting some built in game benchmarks we'll just have to assume the 780 is faster ^_^

I've got 2x Sapphire Tri-X 290s on the way as posted in the other thread. I'll be doing benches stock and OC'd. The one thing I'm worried about is my stock 3570k being a bottleneck, so I'll have to see if I can at least OC it and/or get a 4770k for the benchmarking.

Should get the cards the day after New Year's or shortly thereafter (not sure yet as I don't have tracking yet, thanks Newegg...)

 

[sushiwarrior]

LOL. Yeah, that's a fantastic deal for anyone that could be employed by AMD, or anyone that has a vested interest in selling AMD cards, or a crypto coin miner. Great deal indeed. For anyone in those categories, absolutely a steal of a deal, at 150$ over MSRP.

Meanwhile in the real world...I don't think so.

My personal sense of worth says that just because it's a faster card, with the tradeoffs of heat + power. But seriously, neither of us is without bias and I think you just won't accept anything without picking a fight. I already said that I think the 780 and 290 are excellent choices, with their own pros and cons.

 

[Gloomy]

Tomb Raider 1920x1080 "Ultimate" preset

Core: 947 Mem: 1250 Average FPS: 65.4 (this is stock)

Core: 947 Mem: 1500 Average FPS: 68.5


Core: 1100 Mem: 1250 Average FPS: 73.7

Core: 1100 Mem: 1500 Average FPS: 76.5

Core: 1100 Mem: 1625 Average FPS: 76.7


Core: 1150 Mem: 1250 Average FPS: 75.5

Core: 1150 Mem: 1500 Average FPS: 79.1


Memory refuses to go past 1350 or so unless I give the core some juice. Just a hunch, but the IMC on Hawaii seems to be pretty power hungry, and inflates the voltage requirements to keep the core stable. If I had to guess, I'd say that this is why the memory is clocked so low-- it obviously needs a bit more bandwidth even at stock :hmm:

Or it could be a combination of IMC + Elpida VRAM that I have. Or, I don't know what I'm talking about at all. Anyway, overclocking this card makes me want a different cooler. I wouldn't run it past 1150 core with the stock one, too loud. :|

 

[BertolomeoDiaz]

in germany reference 290s start at 360/370€
i ordered a r9 290 windforce for 420€ yesterday including BF4
if i get 1100/1400 MHz out of it for 24/7 oc i´ll be pleased, gonna set fan to incline that hits 100% at 80°C, so 100% during games it will be (i always do it like that)

i just hope there won´t be any coil whining,
a loud but monotonous cooler fan i can tolerate, but the changing pitch and volume of coil whining won´t let you "filter it out" but draw attention all the time
it´s really annoying

780s start at 420/430€ (both reference and custom, but reference nvidia cooler is pretty nice, i´d say)

as i already have 770sli for my intel/nvidia machine i went with r290 for my latest highend gpu to pair with fx 8350
(also got a nice 990fx sabertooth rev.2 board, fx8350 was never really stable since i got it, even @ stock clock prime95 error detect within 5 sec, hope that will be better now)

in case i had only one system to upgrade i´d probably go with nvidia as i like their uncomplicated downsampling feature
also, when in the last years did you ever get nvidia high end card at a price that was not far more expensive than competitive amd card
(this is the time to move to "greener" pastures, if you never tried before because of nvidia being more expensive)
the same is true for 770 vs 280x, nvidia still more expensive, but not by far, as used to be

the r9 290 is gonna go with 3x full hd and will likely get company for cf rather sooner than later, (when i have the money)
didn´t want to downsample that monitor setup anyway,
extra 1Gb vram will be good for that setup, too, i suppose

r9 290x are 475-500€, r9 290x custom card more like 540€
gtx 780ti start at 600€, titan 900€

when i got the first 770, 780 non ti was at 600€ then dropped 150€ from one day to the next to 450€ when r9 290/290x came out, and suddenly new 780ti was the 600€ card
one could have seen that coming, but i didn´t expect such a drop or i would have gotten a 780 (and maybe/probably a second later) instead of 770sli
(no patience...would have preferred sapphire tri x r9 290 over windforce, too, but that wasn´t available)

seems like the mining hype didn´t hit germany as it did usa
no price movements since introduction of r9 290/290x, especially not cards becoming more expensive

same post here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2360073&page=10
is posting the same thing twice in different threads considered "cheating" with the post count? if so, i apologize
but i wrote on it for some time, then i realized same people were busy in other thread, wanted them to see

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Tomb Raider 1920x1080 "Ultimate" preset

Core: 947 Mem: 1250 Average FPS: 65.4 (this is stock)

Core: 947 Mem: 1500 Average FPS: 68.5


Core: 1100 Mem: 1250 Average FPS: 73.7

Core: 1100 Mem: 1500 Average FPS: 76.5

Core: 1100 Mem: 1625 Average FPS: 76.7


Core: 1150 Mem: 1250 Average FPS: 75.5

Core: 1150 Mem: 1500 Average FPS: 79.1

Are you on reference air? I don't want to scare you away, perhaps I could intentionally handicap myself?

"Simulated" Stock (actually seems to be a bit faster than reference stock, few percent)

Core: 900 Mem: 1500 Average FPS: 70.0


Skynet Bios + MSI AB 1.3v soft mod

Core 1280 Mem: 1790 Average FPS: 96.7

 

[jj109]

Dang Balla. Looks like I need to overclock my RAM, but that is a fine 780 sample you have there.

 

[Peppered]

K the TRI X 290 was out of stock when I tried to make my purchase and still is. Nice price but I expect it to inflate as soon as they get more back in stock like they did on all the other 290 and 290x cards.

So I got a MSI gamer 780 TI darn if they didn,t raise the price already in a day I noticed that when I was coping the link.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127770

I went with this the NVIDIA chipset becasue EQ next stated that the new graphics they will be using will be supported by them.

AMD, I wanted to give them a try but because of the price they are asking for the cards and the reference cooling they just dint seem to make a good price point over the 780 0r 780 ti.

I was go9int to buy two and maybe water cool but I decided to go with one gpu and get this monitor.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I believe it will take the G-SYNC chip too from what I saw in a different thread.

Thanks to you all for pointing out all the points of each card.

 

[jj109]

Don't buy a monitor until next year when mass production G-sync monitors are available if you're keen on going G-sync. Asus VG248QE is the only monitor that's confirmed to be (I think) able to support G-sync with an aftermarket mod. G-sync should be built into the scalers of supported monitors, not as a prototype on a FPGA.

 

[ICDP]

Dang Balla. Looks like I need to overclock my RAM, but that is a fine 780 sample you have there.

He doesn't have a GTX780, he has a 780GHz edition. In the UK they are ~£30 more expensive than a similar model GTX780. Or ~£130 more expensive than a reference R9 290.

I also think you should both show what settings you are using, so you can make sure the same settings are used. Here is my personal settings for TR.

For reference here is my GTX780 at stock.

R9 290X at stock (even overclocked at 1241/6400 my GTX 780 could only match this).

 

[jj109]

I used default Ultimate (not custom) 1080p like he did. Maybe he's doing SSAA?

Edit: Of course the 780 can't match a 290X with TressFX on. It's about as meaningful as saying that the 290X can't match the 780 with PhysX on.

Edit: I'm getting 70 FPS with 2xSSAA, so that might be it.

 

[ICDP]

Tomb Raider 1080p ultimate preset. For reference an R9 290 is only ~5% slower than R9 290X at the same clocks.

R9 290X 1200/1375

As you can see there is nothing in it between an OC R9 290/X and GTX780 (or 780 GHz) at overclocked settings. I don't think a ~%5 performance difference is worth crowing about. I am not claiming the R9 290/X are superior cards to the GTX780, they all give very similar performance. My only bone of contention was the claims from Blackened and Balla, that once overclocked the GTX780 will beat the R9 290/X easily.

 

[AMD64Blondie]

I love my Gigabyte GTX780.

Fast,quiet,and very cool.

(I love the Windforce cooling system).

 

[jj109]

Tomb Raider 1080p ultimate preset. For reference an R9 290 is only ~5% slower than R9 290X at the same clocks.

R9 290X 1200/1375

As you can see there is nothing in it between an OC R9 290/X and GTX780 (or 780 GHz) at overclocked settings. I don't think a ~%5 performance difference is worth crowing about. I am not claiming the R9 290/X are superior cards to the GTX780, they all give very similar performance. My only bone of contention was the claims from Blackened and Bella that once overclocked the GTX780 will beat the R9 290/X easily.

Just for curiousity's sake, can you do a run with TressFX off? I'm seeing some very contradictory things but the TressFX performance penalty on nVidia vs AMD. I'm sitting at 134 fps with normal hair, which is only a 32% loss.

 

[ICDP]

Sure thing.

Here is the result from the exact same overclock and settings as before apart from TressFX off.

Min FPS: 124.0
Max FPS: 186.0
Average FPS: 157.6

TressFX gives me a 63% performance penalty, which is massive.

 

[Mondozei]

I'm good, until the actual 290 series owners man up and start posting some built in game benchmarks we'll just have to assume the 780 is faster ^_^

Still trying to pull your trick from the last thread, comparing Lightning/Classified cards to "normal" factory OC cards.

 

[jj109]

Sure thing.

Here is the result from the exact same overclock and settings as before apart from TressFX off.

Min FPS: 124.0
Max FPS: 186.0
Average FPS: 157.6

TressFX gives me a 63% performance penalty, which is massive.

That's very interesting. I remember GCN 1.0 only having a 30% penalty and Kepler just getting crushed. I understand driver optimizations bringing Kepler TressFX performance up, but not how GCN 1.1 is losing 63%.

 

[ICDP]

That's very interesting. I remember GCN 1.0 only having a 30% penalty and Kepler just getting crushed. I understand driver optimizations bringing Kepler TressFX performance up, but not how GCN 1.1 is losing 63%.

Just realised I meant 63% improvement, not a penalty.

Tress FX enabled gives a 38% penalty, so pretty much in line with GCN 1.0

 

[Silverforce11]

Edit: Of course the 780 can't match a 290X with TressFX on. It's about as meaningful as saying that the 290X can't match the 780 with PhysX on.

TressFX is nothing like GPU PhysX, since it works through DirectX 11, any hardware compatible with DX11 will accelerate it, whether it accelerate it as well is a different manner. GPU PhysX is only accelerated on NV GPUs, it defaults to CPU for AMD GPUs, entirely different animal.

A lot of people used to pitch Tessellation performance advantage of Fermi over AMD's GPU, it was fair game since it was through DX11, an open standard.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

He doesn't have a GTX780, he has a 780GHz edition.

Is there something special about the 780 GHz?

Other than it being an assured B1 stepping and over 1GHz base, of course?

Isn't it just like the 7970 vs 7970 GHz?

The backplate is sexy though...

Tomb Raider 1080p ultimate preset. For reference an R9 290 is only ~5% slower than R9 290X at the same clocks.

R9 290X 1200/1375

Someone should tell Gloomy, since you're 19% faster with 4% more clock speed and slower vram.

 

[Gloomy]

Sorry, was running a game profile in RadeonPro

Stock: 74.8

1150/1500: 88.3


Having trouble getting it stable at 1200/1500. I don't think my Elpida vram will let me, so I'll probably have to drop memory down a lot. I'll try later tonight, have to step out right now. Did not expect to be playing nerdball with you guys at 10AM on a Sunday

 

[YBS1]

1306/1850 - Using only standard 1.212v available in PrecisionX, could go higher with Classified Software Voltage tool. "Default" run was 82fps avg. IIRC, but my cards don't boost as high with the skyn3t bios as they did with the OEM Classified bios, so a true default run would be slightly higher than that.
Obviously run was done with a single card not SLI

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Ah yes a "real" classified...

Let's do another game!

 

[YBS1]

Ah yes a "real" classified...

Let's do another game!

Just waiting on those 290's to sweep in here and "obliterate" us.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

TR favors R290, in reviews it beats the Titan.

Same with Metro LL and BioShock, perhaps we can do those next?

 

[jj109]

No, it's time for DiRT 3