R9 290 or GTX780 ??

[blackened23]

Don't forget folks, the R9 290 Tri-X will not overclock at all. So what blackened says here is absolute fact.

Feel free to post benchmarks comparing the 290X tri-X overclocked to the Titan. Go for it. Go forth and google some reviews. I'm pulling data from objective reviewers, unless you want to argue that HardOCP, TPU, and Guru3d are lying.

Point remains. 290X stock == Titan stock performance.

If a GTX 780 is X% faster than Titan stock, it is faster than the 290X stock by the same percent. We have multiple web reviews providing the burden of proof that the aftermarket GTX 780 is overclocking to be 15-20% faster than the Titan. And as we know, 290X at stock is equal to the Titan. Therefore, if an overclocked GTX 780 is faster than the Titan by a percentage, it is similarly faster than the 290X by the same percentage, as I mentioned. As far as the Tri-X. So is the overclocked 290X Tri-X 15-20% faster than Titan? To this I do not know the answer - Find me some web reviews. Burden of proof is on you.

 

[Keysplayr]

I don't think he is going to be able to do that.

 

[Gloomy]

stock: 68.65

1150/1500: 79.67

http://imgur.com/y47j6f2,x8RNUxp#0

I'm not scaling past 1150MHz on this benchmark (not throttling either), going to 1200Mhz nets me less than .5-1FPS, which is too close to the margin of error for me to care about, I've tested with up to 1350Mhz ram and no change. Pretty sure this is as far as a 290 will go on this game, unless I'm CPU limited

PS. your graphs are definitely borked, my benches spool no HDDs

 

[BallaTheFeared]

He's 0-2 in games that favor AMD.

Bioshock would have been +20% to the 780 because it slightly favors Nvidia.

Let's do one last one that favors AMD, I think you can do this.

Sleeping Dogs Max Settings


Simulated stock 780 900/1500

59.7 FPS

1306/1775

80.2 FPS

PS. your graphs are definitely borked, my benches spool no HDDs

Must be me cause it did the same thing with my 7950/s, I can hear my HDD getting stupid about it and the screen clearly jerks. IG is fine though :\

Tell me more, I want to get a new drive anyways, maybe a high capacity Samsung ssd

 

[dguy6789]

snip

First I've heard of anyone considering the Geforce 780 to be faster than the R9 290X

http://anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/8

 

[blackened23]

First I've heard of anyone considering the Geforce 780 to be faster than the R9 290X

Oh, nice snip there. Maybe you missed the context of overclocking. Stock clocks are for the birds. If I wanted to run my hardware at stock speeds i'd get an iMac or something.

 

[Leadbox]

I don't think he is going to be able to do that.

What? Pick a couple of benches and try to paint a broad picture with them? Thats easy.

Here are some telling minimums

An OC 290 shatting on the 2X more expensive 780Ti

The Ti's OC results:

 

[wand3r3r]

What a mess of trolling going on.

How do you guys keep going on and on in multiple threads. It's annoying to read.

 

[ICDP]

Hopefully it OC's more than yours though right?

I mean it's giving up 6% per clock and you're already losing to a 780.

I see now, with you it's not about providing accurate information, so people can make informed decisions. It's about winning a petty debate and making sure Nvidia wins in your biased mind.

The OP asked for informed accurate advice without bias or agenda. Before I get accused of "pot kettle BS" about being AMD biased. I told the OP that if price was similar go for the GTX780 over a reference R9 290 due to the poor fan.

I never, ever let my personal bias interfere when it comes to giving advice to someone who is spending their hard earned money.

 

[Keysplayr]

What? Pick a couple of benches and try to paint a broad picture with them? Thats easy.

Here are some telling minimums

An OC 290 shatting on the 2X more expensive 780Ti

Source bro? I know it's AT, but a link would be nice. :thumbsup:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Before this thread gets overrun, I just wanted to point out what I was going on about in the Shootout thread by Elfear.

1306/1785 vs 1430/1675

 

[Silverforce11]

See, it's not about providing accurate information so people can make informed decisions with you or blackened. It's about winning a petty debate and making sure Nvidia wins in your biased mind.

The OP asked for informed accurate advice without bias or agenda. Before I get accused of "pot kettle BS" about being AMD biased. I told the OP that if price was similar go for the GTX780 over a reference R9 290 due to the poor fan.

I never, ever let my bias interfere when it comes to giving advice to someone who is spending their hard earned money.

Yup, and these two come in here yet again and spam us with the obvious, sure, massive OC 780 e-peen fest can look good, but its not representative for users asking which cards to go with..

Dejavu indeed.

 

[IEC]

And OP would do to remember to never let the bias of others influence HIS purchasing decisions. I would highly recommend looking at AnandTech's bench to get reliable #s for the games YOU care about and then make an informed decision based on relative performance, current market prices, and whatever other factors you care about (noise, power usage, etc.)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

And OP would do to remember to never let the bias of others influence HIS purchasing decisions. I would highly recommend looking at AnandTech's bench to get reliable #s for the games YOU care about and then make an informed decision based on relative performance, current market prices, and whatever other factors you care about (noise, power usage, etc.)

Don't forget overclocking

Yup, and these two come in here yet again and spam us with the obvious, sure, massive OC 780 e-peen fest can look good, but its not representative for users asking which cards to go with..

Dejavu indeed.

Like I said, the Nvidia crowd didn't go qq whinefest mode when my 7950s beat their 680s.

Ironically OC was the selling point 95% of the time back then too.

Now it's e-peenery and ladedah because a 780 is shown to OC to better performance than a 290/x and all of sudden OC shouldn't be considered by the OP who is asking about Tri-X and Classifieds.

Back to 40nm we go!

 

[Keysplayr]

I never, ever let my personal bias interfere when it comes to giving advice to someone who is spending their hard earned money.

You've got to be ******* kidding me....

 

[Silverforce11]

If you cannot get R290s at near MSRP I wouldn't recommend it, 780s are great cards when price evenly with R290.

If they are the same price a GTX780 is a far better option than a reference R9 290. In general both GPUs will be very close in performance but the GTX780 has the benefit of a far superior cooler/fan.

Post #4 and #5 on this thread.

/thread.

 

[Gloomy]

It's not your HDD, Balla. Definitely your card. Are you sure the game is up to date? I've run it off an HDD (a dying one, no less) and it doesn't stutter like yours does.

 

[blackened23]

It's not your HDD, Balla. Definitely your card. Are you sure the game is up to date? I've run it off an HDD (a dying one, no less) and it doesn't stutter like yours does.

You should post your Metro: LL graphs as a point of comparison IMO, being that we don't have any 290 Metro: LL benchmarks in this thread yet.

As far as I can tell, the 290X and GTX 780 are on even ground in terms of frame times in Metro: LL. So i'm not sure what you're implying. The 780 doesn't stutter in Metro: LL.

 

[ICDP]

stock: 68.65

1150/1500: 79.67

http://imgur.com/y47j6f2,x8RNUxp#0

I'm not scaling past 1150MHz on this benchmark (not throttling either), going to 1200Mhz nets me less than .5-1FPS, which is too close to the margin of error for me to care about, I've tested with up to 1350Mhz ram and no change. Pretty sure this is as far as a 290 will go on this game, unless I'm CPU limited

PS. your graphs are definitely borked, my benches spool no HDDs

That is a decent result, your 21% OC is getting you a 16% real performance increase. That overclock is right in line the 5% difference between R9 290 and R9 290X.

Bear in mind that R9 290 bandwidth is already at a point where it is more than good enough due to the 512bit bus. Overclocking the VRAM is not necessary to achieve a decent OC and will make only a marginal difference.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's not your HDD, Balla. Definitely your card. Are you sure the game is up to date? I've run it off an HDD (a dying one, no less) and it doesn't stutter like yours does.

Yeah I had the same issue with my 7950s which were also fine in the actual game.

My benchmark is finicky, sometimes it blows up the corner of the screen and I can't benchmark at all. All I see are about 12 pixels stretched out across the entire screen.

 

[Gloomy]

You should post your Metro: LL graphs as a point of comparison IMO, being that we don't have any 290 Metro: LL benchmarks in this thread yet.

They're in my post above, inside the imgur link.

 

[jj109]

Yeah I had the same issue with my 7950s which were also fine in the actual game.

My benchmark is finicky, sometimes it blows up the corner of the screen and I can't benchmark at all. All I see are about 12 pixels stretched out across the entire screen.

Well, here's results from a "normal" 780. I even let it run multiple times to heat it up

Metro Last Light is known to have hiccups:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_780_lightning_review,26.html

I don't know what magic AMD is doing in their drivers to make them disappear.

 

[Pandamonia]

Feel free to post benchmarks comparing the 290X tri-X overclocked to the Titan. Go for it. Go forth and google some reviews. I'm pulling data from objective reviewers, unless you want to argue that HardOCP, TPU, and Guru3d are lying.

Point remains. 290X stock == Titan stock performance.

If a GTX 780 is X% faster than Titan stock, it is faster than the 290X stock by the same percent. We have multiple web reviews providing the burden of proof that the aftermarket GTX 780 is overclocking to be 15-20% faster than the Titan. And as we know, 290X at stock is equal to the Titan. Therefore, if an overclocked GTX 780 is faster than the Titan by a percentage, it is similarly faster than the 290X by the same percentage, as I mentioned. As far as the Tri-X. So is the overclocked 290X Tri-X 15-20% faster than Titan? To this I do not know the answer - Find me some web reviews. Burden of proof is on you.

Except the TITAN ISNT EQUAL TO 290X!

Benchmarks put the 290 X FASTER than the Titan at Stock!

The Titan doesnt even come close. In most benchmarks now they dont even bother to include it.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Well, here's results from a "normal" 780. I even let it run multiple times to heat it up


Metro Last Light is known to have hiccups:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_780_lightning_review,26.html

I don't know what magic AMD is doing in their drivers to make them disappear.

No issues for me.

900/1500 Max Settings 2x SSAA PhysX High

vs

1300/1775 Max Settings 2x SSAA PhysX High

Should have gotten a 780 Ti for 1080

 

[jj109]

Well, the hiccups are pretty much just 1 sparse frame among many, so it doesn't really show up in gameplay, but you can see some 40 ms frames in that FRAPS capture.