R9 290 vs GTX 770

Oct 10, 2013
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I can currently get

1)XFX R9 290 at $400 with BF4 download
2)Gigabyte GTX 770 OC at $310 with the nvidia bundle

What would you guys pick?
this is for 1080P gaming.

If it weren't for the heat/noise of r9 290, this question would be a no brainer~
can i actually turn the 290 to quiet mode and just use it that way?
should still offer alot of performance in quiet mode right? or can i not switch ?
 

3DVagabond

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The 290 doesn't have quiet mode. That's a 290X feature. The 290's fan runs slower though than the 290X fan does in Uber mode, so it won't be as loud. The 290 is a lot faster of a card. I'd wait for aftermarket 290's, personally.
 

steve wilson

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I have a 770 and it runs BF4 OK at 1080.

I bought it a few months back before the 290 was an option. If i was buying now I'd wait for the 290 after market coolers and get one of those.
 
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I have a 770 and it runs BF4 OK at 1080.

I bought it a few months back before the 290 was an option. If i was buying now I'd wait for the 290 after market coolers and get one of those.

You know this is like the nth time I've seen that on forums... "wait for custom R290"..

AMD made a huge mistake not allowing AIBs to launch custom models at the start. Their reason??: "minimizing variation to reduce potential problems"... clue for your management AMD : Your crap reference design IS THE PROBLEM.
 

steve wilson

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You know this is like the nth time I've seen that on forums... "wait for custom R290"..

AMD made a huge mistake not allowing AIBs to launch custom models at the start. Their reason??: "minimizing variation to reduce potential problems"... clue for your management AMD : Your crap reference design IS THE PROBLEM.

I don't understand why AMD would do this... it just hurts their own sales?
 

Will Robinson

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u mean at stock settings without overclocking?

Yep at stock settings its fine...remember its a very high performance processor you are talking about.
Plus with the new Mantle API update coming in December it may well increase its performance in BF4 to a whole new level.
Its the GPU of choice for BF4:thumbsup:
 
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can i set the max fan speed to be lower than default? thus making this thing quieter at the cost of performance (i guess it will hit the thermal threshold sooner and thus sacrificing performance)
 

steve wilson

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That sounds like a terrible idea braveheart. You might as well just buy a cheaper product with a better cooler and get the same performance. Or wait for the r290 with a quiet after market cooler. I know MSI do a quiet cooler... I can't remember which other vendors do quiet ones, but there are a couple others. Maybe someone else can recommend a quiet one.
 

DownTheSky

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Is this even a question? R9 290.

Like other 9000 people already said: best would be to wait custom versions.
 

96Firebird

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I was in a similar situation and got tired of waiting for the aftermarket 290s to hit the shelves. Plus I didn't want to pay that much, especially since I'll be sticking to 1080/1200p when I upgrade my monitor in the future. So I got a 2GB 770, and plan on upgrading my monitor when a G-sync model I want comes out.

If you can afford to wait and don't mind the extra cost, the aftermarket 290s are your best bet (providing they can get the card quieter and cooler than reference). The 290 is about 15% faster than the 770 @ 1080p (Source), but only you can decide if the cost difference is worth the performance difference.
 

skipsneeky2

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Another option is one of those accelero extreme 3 coolers and a 290, it adds about $75 to the cost of the 290 but at least you wouldn't be waiting and you get one hell of a card after that baby is installed.
 

raghu78

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OP the R9 290 is a GTX 780 competitor. OP the custom R9 290 cards are roughly 3 weeks away. wait and get a asus dcii top. fantastic quiet cooler and a high quality PCB.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1791552

Kyle_Bennett HardOCP Editor-in-Chief, 16.5 Years

R9 290/X AIB Cards

Just talked to AMD as well as three big AIB partners and AMD as well as one big AIB told me that we should expect to see custom R9 290 and 290X cards in etail the second week of December. FYI....

AMD R9 290 crushes the GTX 770 in perf and beats it in price / perf.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ws/63863-amd-radeon-r9-290-4gb-review-17.html

btw the stock cooler can handle average overclocks of upto 1.1 ghz. upto 55% fan speed the noise is moderate and that can easily handle a 1 ghz clock speed. the fan gets loud after 65%. here is a video of the fan at 55% speed - 0:19 - 0:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o
 

_Rick_

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I would go with the 770.
Cooler/quieter, cheaper, and plenty reviews of how well the third party coolers do, and if there's really only 15% in it, then 30% difference in price make little sense. Unless it misses some performance target you set yourself.
 

MrK6

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The 290 is probably louder, but you can certainly adjust voltages to keep it cooler. TBH I think a 290 is overkill for 1080p. If you're really into BF4 right now, a 280 might be something to consider. If not, the 770 is a great buy.
 

blackened23

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You know this is like the nth time I've seen that on forums... "wait for custom R290"..

AMD made a huge mistake not allowing AIBs to launch custom models at the start. Their reason??: "minimizing variation to reduce potential problems"... clue for your management AMD : Your crap reference design IS THE PROBLEM.

Well it's nice to see an AMD fan actually admit that AMD screwed up instead of blindly defending them to the end, despite their lost sales precisely because of this issue. I still see tons of people selling game codes from the holiday bundle on classifieds (and no BF4 codes) so and it seems that the GTX 780 is still outselling the 290 despite the lower price. And at amazon.com, the GTX cards are still atop the sales charts despite the 290s lower price. Hmm. Wonder how this could have been different without the bad press about throttling and noise everywhere? The management at AMD really needs to get a freaking clue, the 290 could have been the best GPU release this year with super high sales numbers and right now it isn't - this is why you don't cheap out on your reference design, people expect better in 2013 when the competition has stepped up. Bad press doesn't sell cards. High quality sells cards. This is why Nvidia is STILL outselling AMD right now, and it didn't have to be this way had AMD put more effort into their engineering / design. No bad press = higher sales. Not being hammered incessantly in every review about throttling/noise = higher sales.

Maybe AMD will wisen up and do a GTX 580 style refresh complete with a much better reference design - if they did that to address the shortcomings, now that would be a good card with none of the complaints and bad press that the other 290 cards received. That would be the smart business move. Smart business moves don't happen often at AMD, apparently.

Anyway, to answer the question. I'd advise NOT getting a reference 290, if you're going that route you need to wait a month for an aftermarket card. If you want a card now consider the 770 or GTX 780. Now you may say the 780 is higher in cost. That is true, but it overclocks to be 10% faster than Titan out of the box or even more than that with an aftermarket design, AND it also comes with 3 free games which you can easily sell to recover 50-60$ of your money. So with that being the case, the GTX 780 only costs 40$ or so more than a 290 while simultaneously being a higher quality product with all metrics considered. And it is 10-20% faster than Titan if you get an overclocked GTX 780 - 40$ more for that isn't bad really, once you offset your costs through the 3 game holiday bundle. If you need a card now, that is what you should consider. If you don't mind waiting a month, the 290 should improve substantially when the aftermarket designs hit the market - I suggest not getting a reference 290, though, not unless you've used a reference 7970 at high fan speeds and are comfortable with it. I can tell you, I wasn't comfortable with my former 7970 at 47/55% fan speed.

But - again, the 290 will become MUCH more desirable when aftermarket cards hit. Those cards should be pretty freaking amazing so long as the cost is similar to the current 400$ MSRP. My opinion on reference is: no. And that is frustrating to say because the reference 290/290X could have been so so so so so so SO much better received with slightly more effort!


You should know better than to start calling out people.

-Rvenger
 
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Nintendesert

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The 290 is probably louder, but you can certainly adjust voltages to keep it cooler. TBH I think a 290 is overkill for 1080p. If you're really into BF4 right now, a 280 might be something to consider. If not, the 770 is a great buy.




There's no such thing as overkill at 1080P unless he's able to run every game he'd want at a steady 60fps. If he ever decides on a 120hz monitor he's going to need that extra horsepower too. Games like Witcher 3 will no doubt tax even a 290 at 1080p.

That being said I'd wait for aftermarket cards since we're so close but if he can't the 770 will still perform well enough for a while.
 

skipsneeky2

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There's no such thing as overkill at 1080P unless he's able to run every game he'd want at a steady 60fps. If he ever decides on a 120hz monitor he's going to need that extra horsepower too. Games like Witcher 3 will no doubt tax even a 290 at 1080p.

Overkill currently is sli 780 for 1080p, was watching a guy on youtube play BF3 on a highly clocked i7 and sli 780 and the guy basically said he didn't recommend it cause the cards end up still severely cpu bottlenecked and you are watching this guy pull over 100fps and his gpu usage in precision is sitting 60-75% on each card LOL.
 

Stuka87

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I would go with the 770.
Cooler/quieter, cheaper, and plenty reviews of how well the third party coolers do, and if there's really only 15% in it, then 30% difference in price make little sense. Unless it misses some performance target you set yourself.

There is more than a 15% difference. A 290 outperforms a 780 in most cases, which costs $500. And even beats a 780Ti in a few.

Telling somebody to buy a 770 over a 290 when they can afford the 290 is bad advice.

However, I also say wait for the custom cooler cards.
 

Unoid

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Well it's nice to see an AMD fan actually admit that AMD screwed up instead of blindly defending them to the end,

blackened you're banter and baiting gets really old... Can you please stick to being positive.
 

Attic

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2 options as I see it if you are considering a 2gb 770 vs a 4gb 290.

Wait for later to get aftermarket 290's or now get the 290 and the accelero extreme III cooler to put on.

If you upgrade GPU's every year then the 2gb 770 may make sense now, but if you like to use your GPU for 2+years then get the 290 one way or the other.
 
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