R9 290X launch delayed

[Arzachel]

I thought it had an impact on the speed the GPU could obtain?

In simple terms, to achieve a higher DP rate you have to make the shaders more complex in ways that that won't help SP performance. This isn't the issue for most consumer cards since their DP rate is locked by the manufacturer (the 780 is capable of the same DP rate as the Titan, it's just fused off/disabled in the firmware). The reason why the Titan and 780 are so close, is that at a certain point increasing the clock speed is going to net you the same performance increase as going wider but with less power draw and they're pretty close to that point. That's why people are talking about a full GK110 not being viable, unlocking all the SMX might mean that to hit the 250W TDP they would have to lower the clock speed too much to beat Titan.

 

[itsmydamnation]

DP doesn't make shaders more complex. it makes them far bigger. its exactly the same logic just more bits of precision. those bigger shaders have a die-size cost as well as a static power cost. there could also be other die size and power costs in needing bigger buses between the different cache/registers etc.

 

[Erazor51]

------ wrong section.

 

[Stuka87]

DP doesn't make shaders more complex. it makes them far bigger. its exactly the same logic just more bits of precision. those bigger shaders have a die-size cost as well as a static power cost. there could also be other die size and power costs in needing bigger buses between the different cache/registers etc.

Er, you just contradicted yourself. Anytime something has "more" of an active part, it is more complex. By making it larger with higher precision, you are making it more complex.

Now back on topic, the 18th sounds plausible. Its right after nVidia's announcements, that way AMD can gather info and/or comment on it. Much like how Sony purposely announced things at E3 after MS.

 

[Vesku]

People have no clue of what it would cost if an error is made
in some differential equations with high initial condition sensitivity
when computing the response of a dynamic system , a bridge
resistance to earthquake or vibrations for instance...

Using non certified gear for such calculations is close
to criminal behaviour and undoubtly as unprofessional
as it possibly could be...

I think that's one thing that concerns me about this talk of "cheaper workstation/professional card", some small company might just take that internet chatter at face value and run something that really needs error catching and accuracy on Titans.

But you can design the software on the cheaper "premium consumer" workstations and then test and deploy on the ECC packing "professional" hardware.

 

[Abwx]

I think that's one thing that concerns me about this talk of "cheaper workstation/professional card", some small company might just take that internet chatter at face value and run something that really needs error catching and accuracy on Titans.

But you can design the software on the cheaper "premium consumer" workstations and then test and deploy on the ECC packing "professional" hardware.

True that for suchn usage it could reducev quite significantly
the costs but that is assuming that either the pro version
driver is compatible or that the consumer driver still allow
decent perfs , IIRC the gaming card were generaly crippled
for such tasks.

 

[Vesku]

For custom applications it's about the CUDA/OpenCL support and power of the GPU. The workstation drivers come into play for off the shelf professional software.

 

[blackened23]

For custom applications it's about the CUDA/OpenCL support and power of the GPU. The workstation drivers come into play for off the shelf professional software.

This is an often overlooked fact and why I personally think Titan is mostly a high end SURROUND gaming card (hence the 6GB of VRAM) and one for CUDA development. As far as professional 3d applications? It does not replicate quadro functionality, not even close. It doesn't support 10 bit color in adobe suite (only firepro/quadro do) and most professional software suites do require specific software drivers/firmware for full functionality. Quadro has this. Geforce does not. Hence, Titan is more of a gaming card with CUDA ability thrown in for good measure. So it's a great card for CUDA development - but again, it does not replicate quadro functionality for software such as 3DS max, adobe suite, among a wide variety of others. It's not like professionals exclusively buy Titan for stuff like that, far from it. Quadro still has more functionality ESPECIALLY for photo/video editing - geforce is borderline worthless in that area since geforce SKUs only support 10 bit output in D3D (nothing uses 10 bit in D3D, adobe suite doesn't...)

 

[AdamK47]

If I had to do it all over again and given the choice between Titans and 780s I'd still choose the Titans. That's just how I roll.

 

[Slomo4shO]

I stumbled upon this review that apparently didn't get the memo(it still provides no official price)...

to be continued, so stay tuned officially released on October 24

 

[Vesku]

Price will help me decide if I upgrade gaming monitor resolution past 1080P.

 

[Braidster]

Either a faulty link or it's been pulled down already

 

[Stuka87]

Either a faulty link or it's been pulled down already

I was able to read it. They summarize it as being 1% faster than Titan (All benchmarks averaged), 11% faster than a 780, and 37% faster than a 280X.

And they show prices (unconfirmed) as being a bit higher than 780, but a lot lower than Titan (in Chinese Yaun). But these will translate differently here in the states. As Titans are not $1300 dollars here.

290X: 4999 yuan (unconfirmed)
280X: 1899-2099 yuan
Titan: 7999 yuan
GTX780: 4599-4799 yuan

 

[tincart]

incompetant

Infraction issued for thread crapping.
-- stahlhart

 

[lavaheadache]

lol, whoops. switch it with an "E". It took a quote for me to catch that.

*edit*

Now that I looked back at that post there is another spelling error. Why not point that one out too?

 

[Slomo4shO]

Now that I looked back at that post there is another spelling error. Why not point that one out too?

Not everyone here is a part time English teacher :whiste:

 

[lavaheadache]

Not everyone here is a part time English teacher :whiste:

Is that directed at me or him? He pointed out my error but failed to find the other one which, to me, is more blatant.

Obviously he was trying to make me feel incompetent for spelling the word incompetent wrong, which is actually a personal attack and against the rule here. I was trying to avoid going down that road.

 

[Z15CAM]

ShopBit Prices the Sapphire R9 290X at $591.62 USD D:

Humm! $591.62 USD for the R9 290X at ShopBit - Not in stock, but 10 are on order - Wonder if they know something we don't. Sish! $53 VIA Global or Fedex shipping plus Ontario 13% HST = $721.96 which probably amount to $730 with currency exchange plus likely another $20 for Custom Handling fees making a total of $750 in Canada.

However if its $591.62 in the USA it will be approx $650 on Newegg.ca + 13 HST and $12 shipping = approx $747.

Canadians just love Free Trade especially when ordering from the USA. *&&*^ - It's a $100 cheaper to order from Korea or China as their shipping is usually Free and much Faster.

This whole Free Trade deal has to be revised if Americans expect anyone to buy from them. 1/2" Fur Plywood made in Canada sells for approx $30 cheaper a sheet in the USA then here in Canada.

http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=0110040015014_BTF3729P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID

 

[Grooveriding]

ShopBit Prices the Sapphire R9 290X at $591.62 USD:

Humm! $591.62 USD for the R9 290X at ShopBit - Not in stock, but 10 are on order - Wonder if they know something we don't - Sish! $53 VIA Global or Fedex shipping plus Ontario 13% HST = $721.96 which probably amount to $730 with currency exchange plus likely another $20 for Custom Handling fees making a total of $750 in Canada.

However if its $591.62 in the USA it will be approx $650 on Newegg.ca + 13 HST and $12 shipping = approx $747.

Canadians just love Free Trade especially when ordering from the USA - *&&*^ - It's cheaper to order from Korea or China and their shipping is usually Free.

This whole Free Trade deal has to be revised if Americans expect anyone to buy from them.

http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=0110040015014_BTF3729P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID

Ever since however many years it ago it was that the US dollar tanked, probably 10 years now ?, newegg.ca and newegg.com prices are generally on near parity. I tend to see video cards cost about $5-$20 more on newegg.ca depending on how expensive they are to begin with.

The 13% tax is unavoidable though of course. Painful when you are buying more expensive items paying $13 on every $100 extra as tax.

 

[blackened23]

If it's sub 600$ there, now, I'd expect the price to stabilize between 550 and 575$ at launch. 600$ at most. From what I recall every GPU launch list price was slightly higher on shopBLT prior to official launch.

If this channel pricing maintains course, that is good. I think the 290X will be an insanely good card for sub 600$. At 700$+? Not so much. Things are looking good, though.

 

[Z15CAM]

Boy you guys are fast I was still editing - LOL

So we are thinking $550/$575 USD and $585/$610 CDN - Without BF4 - Hum! Approx $60 to $110 cheaper then the Best GTX 780 and the 290X is apparently the better card for Hi-Res 1440p/1600p 4K Gaming.

OC'g a $450 R9 290 may the deal of the Decade in PC Gaming - 4K here we come - But then you have to invest in a Display. I'm idling along with a $34 GeForce GTX 280 on a $300 120Hz QX2510 Matte and holding my breath ;o)

One thing I'm impressed with is that this old $32 GTX 280 512 Bit 1G DDR3 card plays 4100x2300 Res 35 Mbps 4k flics on a 2560x1440 PLS QNIX 2510 display at stock voltage and frequency so well it's as if your looking out a very clean window - Amazing from a 7200rpm HDD and unbelievable from a SSD or RAMDisk Drive.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Battlefield 4 Offer details are now available

Promotion Period begins October 25, 2013

CyberPowerPC has a BF Edition PCs with either the 290 or 290X with an estimated ship date of October 24.

 

[AdamK47]

I stumbled upon this review that apparently didn't get the memo(it still provides no official price)...

"Subway: Peripheral Vision"

I'm guessing that's a horrible translation of Metro: Last Light.

Wish I could read the labels on the graphs. Can't match the games to the graphs.

Edit: Nevermind, saw the graphs posted in the "R2xx Review thread" thread.

 

[Stuka87]

"Subway: Peripheral Vision"

I'm guessing that's a horrible translation of Metro: Last Light.

Wish I could read the labels on the graphs. Can't match the games to the graphs.

Edit: Nevermind, saw the graphs posted in the "R2xx Review thread" thread.

Thats what Google translates it as.

It is called "Metro: The Last Dawn" in another part of the article. Which I actually prefer to "Last Light".

 

[Cloudfire777]

October 25th