R9 300 cards listed in new driver - R9 370 is a rebrand

[waffleironhead]

Maybe the 300 series is oem only. Maybe the new flagship is 400 series?

 

[Enigmoid]

Basically what was to be expected. There is no money in new low performance low margin dies that will be obselete as soon as 14/16nm open up. Especially without HBM.

 

[tviceman]

AMD has less R&D, yet has a much larger swath of CPU releases than Nvidia. Something was bound to take a hit eventually. AMD decided to go big with HBM and a big die GPU which was probably (guessing) more costly than Hawaii and Tahiti.

It just makes financial sense for AMD to go with one big GPU, maybe capture the performance crown, and let the partial functioning dies trickle down to fill the gaps. Respin and rebrand Hawaii, perhaps bring power consumption down 10%, put Tahiti to rest and use the (hopefully not crappy) Tonga. Pitcairn is great on performance and perf/w, but as someone said it's missing features that might be desirable to some. I don't think the missing features will kill sales of Pitcairn if it lives on, though.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

This throws out every positive rumor about the 300 series and basically confirms that it'll be almost entirely rebrands, and makes it extremely likely that Fiji will compete more with GM204 than GM200... *sigh

Umm, why?

They don't yet have a new manufacturing process. Until they do, there is very little point in refreshing the entire line. A chip with the size and cost of Pitcairn will have roughly the same performance as Pitcairn until they get new fab tech or something else changes. Spinning an entirely new chip would just add a few tens of millions of cost with little advantage, might as well cut the prices a little and fill the lineup with older chips.

The reason we are waiting for the 300 series is that it will contain a card that uses HBM. HBM is very interesting, but in the first generation it will also be very costly. There will be no budget chips that use it just yet. What the lower end of the lineup contains tells you very little to nothing about what the performance of 390x will be.

 

[tviceman]

This throws out every positive rumor about the 300 series and basically confirms that it'll be almost entirely rebrands, and makes it extremely likely that Fiji will compete more with GM204 than GM200...

I don't believe that. Not after seeing AMD's internal benchmarks leaks comparing 390x to 290x, and not after seeing the mediocre improvement Titan X made over 780 TI.

 

[master_shake_]

wished a 370 was tahiti that would be crazy

 

[3DVagabond]

So the 300 series in the driver would have to be some kind of hoax not to be true.

We were lead to believe that they originally intended to release Fiji in Q1 and rebrand everything else. Latest rumor was that the reason for switching to Q2 is because they aren't rebranding. Could be old stuff in the drivers?

 

[Techhog]

We still have to see the 380 and 390. But everything below is rebrands.

That's why I said "almost." Besides that, those are $700-1000 cards (thanks Nvidia!). So, there's nothing for me to upgrade to.

What doesn't makes sense is the fact that 270 = 370. Does this mean that either Tonga or Hawaii will be dropped, leaving a massive performance gap between two tiers?

Whatever. I'm seriously considering giving up on PC gaming if this is the direction it's going in. Nvidia lies, AMD stagnating... What's even the point? I might just pick up a PS4 and be done with it.

 

[metalliax]

Why would a 270 chip become a 370 chip? I understand when rebrand goes from 270 to 360, but not a lateral rebrand. I would ignore the driver details until release next month (hopefully). Maybe Pitcairn has been ported to a different process, say 28nm FDSOI or some 20nm variant, and it clocks higher and consumes less power? Who knows at this point.

 

[Techhog]

I don't believe that. Not after seeing AMD's internal benchmarks leaks comparing 390x to 290x, and not after seeing the mediocre improvement Titan X made over 780 TI.

Assuming that leak was even true... Also, why else would 270 = 370? Shouldn't Tonga be the 370? Based on how this looks, Hawaii won't be rebranded unless Tonga is 375 or something, which makes it likely that Fiji is just a feature upgrade to Hawaii with minor efficiency improvements.

But really, who cares? The 390X is going to be $850. At that point, it only makes sense to get the Titan X instead.

 

[SoulWager]

Are the rebranded 3xx GPUs going to be updated with support for freesync?

 

[burninatortech4]

Sad... I was hoping the 360 - 370 range would be new, compelling silicon.

You'd think they would have lower tier cards with free-sync compatibility since less capable cards are exactly where adaptive vsync is needed.

A 260 - 360 and 270 - 370 lateral rebrand would be a smack in the face to 'sweet spot' amd customers.

 

[snorge]

wow this is really sad if true. I was hoping for some decent mid-range low power consumption AMD cards to push Nvidia's pricing down or perhaps have much better "bang for the buck."

 

[boozzer]

what is 370 suppose to go up against anyway? if april launch date holds, we will see in less than 3 weeks.

 

[AtenRa]

I will remind everyone that AMD have stated that every new GPU going from 2015 onwards will have FreeSync.

Freesync cannot work with Tahiti and Pitcairn, i dont believe they will rebrand 270 to 370 without Freesync in 2015.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Sad... I was hoping the 360 - 370 range would be new, compelling silicon.

You'd think they would have lower tier cards with free-sync compatibility since less capable cards are exactly where adaptive vsync is needed.

A 260 - 360 and 270 - 370 lateral rebrand would be a smack in the face to 'sweet spot' amd customers.

As it work now, with 40 and 48 FPS minimums with the current freesync monitors, its the complete opposite way than you describe.

 

[ShintaiDK]

We were lead to believe that they originally intended to release Fiji in Q1 and rebrand everything else. Latest rumor was that the reason for switching to Q2 is because they aren't rebranding. Could be old stuff in the drivers?

When you compare 14.12 to 15.3, its new addons. If anything it would be the other way around.

 

[nvgpu]

Its just a version.

Lets look on the 370.

"%AMD6810.1%" = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810&REV_00
"%AMD6811.1%" = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_0B001028&REV_81
"%AMD6811.2%" = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&REV_00

The chip is the same R575. Ids under and over matches the 270. Note I only posted 3, there are too many to post for Pitcairn.

The info that device manager would show:
AMD6810.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 Series"
AMD6811.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 370"
AMD6811.2 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 Series"

Same applies for the 360 for example. Its the R505 chip, a less used chip:
"%AMD6658.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658&SUBSYS_293C1462
"%AMD6658.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658
"%AMD665C.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29321462
"%AMD665C.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29341462
"%AMD665C.3%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_293B1462
"%AMD665C.4%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_8770148C
"%AMD665C.5%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260148C
"%AMD665C.6%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260174B
"%AMD665C.7%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C
"%AMD665D.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665D
"%AMD665F.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F&SUBSYS_0B041028&REV_81

AMD6658.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD6658.2 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665C.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.2 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.3 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.4 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.5 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.6 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.7 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD665D.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665F.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 360"

No one can deny or refute what's in the driver INF, it's nothing but rebrands as ShintaiDK has proven.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Maybe its OEM? Why add that but not the other 300 series?

 

[Cloudfire777]

"As Shintai have proven"?

That R9 360 is most likely not a rebrand at all. You guys are not looking at the driver right.
AMD665C. is an entirely different GPU than AMD665F.

AMD665C is R9 260.
AMD665D is R7 200.
AMD665F is most likely brand new. Its Tobago Pro. Meaning R9 360 is most likely brand new

 

[Piroko]

When you compare 14.12 to 15.3, its new addons. If anything it would be the other way around.

Well, it's new addons from the past four months. The latest rumour (and delay) is very recent.

 

[ShintaiDK]

"As Shintai have proven"?

That R9 360 is most likely not a rebrand at all. You guys are not looking at the driver right.
AMD665C. is an entirely different GPU than AND665F.

AMD665C is R9 260.
AMD665D is R7 200.
AMD665F is brand new. Its Tobago Pro.

No, its the same chip. Its R505 aka Bonaire. There is not one single new GPU in the driver.

 

[Cloudfire777]

No, its the same chip. Its R505 aka Bonaire. There is not one single new GPU in the driver.

Nope
https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1002/665f

 

[ShintaiDK]

Nope
https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1002/665f

That info is wrong. Its just user submitted as you can see as well. Best guesses to find unknown devices.

The driver is very clear, its a R505 rebrand:

"%AMD6658.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658&SUBSYS_293C1462
"%AMD6658.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658
"%AMD665C.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29321462
"%AMD665C.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29341462
"%AMD665C.3%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_293B1462
"%AMD665C.4%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_8770148C
"%AMD665C.5%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260148C
"%AMD665C.6%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260174B
"%AMD665C.7%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C
"%AMD665D.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665D
"%AMD665F.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F&SUBSYS_0B041028&REV_81

AMD6658.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD6658.2 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665C.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.2 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.3 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.4 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.5 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.6 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.7 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD665D.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665F.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 360"

 

[nvgpu]

"%AMD665F.1%" = ati2mtag_R505

Every card above it is also ati2mtag_R505, are you intentionally ignoring that?

It is Bonaire.