R9 380x reviews and Specifications

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Azix

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How is that better? You prefer more hardware that is wasted over less hardware that is efficient?

I like getting more for my money even if I never get to use it and like I said, the efficiency was not an issue. hawaii vs kepler was similar. Fiji vs maxwell 2 is similar. No reason to turn down more VRAM for example if the price is right.

980 and 970 and 960 are the ones that really make people say nvidia is more efficient but the cards those are competing with for AMD are older and were competing on efficiency with kepler.

The fact nvidia is gimping their hardware to be efficient yet only barely managing to beat AMDs equivalent offerings on that front, is not a good look.

Most people couldn't care less about picking the best GPU for their purpose. Most people are just advocating their favorite GPU brand. If you want HDMI 2.0, AMD IS NOT the way to go. I don't care about all of the "Oh, it's a terrible monitor", blah blah blah crap. I'm using a 30 ms projector now and it's perfectly fine. So what if monitors are below 10 ms? I can't use a monitor this size. Same thing with 4K TVs.

The thing is, rather than acknowledge that their favorite GPU brand may have deficiencies, they'll attempt to discredit any usage their favorite GPU brand may be deficient in.

It's just ridiculous.

can you link me to a hdmi 2.0 TV?
 
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Azix

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AMDs mobile problems might be linked to their APU strategy causing them to compete with intel and nvidia at the same time

The thing is that this efficiency business is overstated. If you overclock your 980ti to beat a fury x you use more power than a fury x.

if you overclock your 980 to beat a Fury you approach or exceed Fury power consumption.

The only place its really valid is with hawaii and tonga vs the 960 - 980 but these are strained comparisons. They do compete in performance but were made in different periods. The narrative could easily have been not about efficiency but the fact that older hardware competes and often beats newer hardware.

I think its a lot to do with timing and marketing. If AMD had released the 300 cards with 8GB or even 290/295x when the 980 and 970 launched and they performed better, things would be different.

Tonga 285,380 and 380x is strange because they really should have sold much better than the 960. Maybe if they had released 4GB 380x when the 960 launched. Though I think they used them in apples products.
 

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if you overclock your 980 to beat a Fury you approach or exceed Fury power consumption.

link please. did it for ya. the overclocked gtx980 is still 22 watts less

It matches a 290x or gtx780ti.





Fury overclock over 427 watts!


Mabe we should use a gt980ti and underclock it? It would be faster than a Fury and use~ 200 watts.
 
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Azix

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link please. did it for ya. the overclocked gtx980 is still 22 watts less

It matches a 290x or gtx780ti.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph8526/67792.png

Fury overclock over 400 watts!
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I never said overclocked fury. an overclocked 980 to match a stock fury

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BTpXQkFJMY

There's also the question of how much power consumption is too much more than the competition. 380x and 380 are around 60-80W more than a 960 and with those you know you are more relevant on performance going into 2016.

they really should be putting the specific brand of GPU. Can't call an MSI 390x just "AMD Radeon R9 390x" when those cards use much more power than other brands.
 
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I never said overclocked fury. an overclocked 980 to match a stock fury

see edit.. CHarts.

@1080p a overclocked 980 will match a Fury X, mabe 1440p also. A 390x overclockd might match a Fury X too @ 1080p.
It will easily beat a Fury.

best solution..
buy a 359$ gtx980 on Evga site , overclock it and get 500$ Fury 1080p/1440p performance.
 
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Azix

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see edit.. CHarts.

@1080p a overclocked 980 will match a Fury X, mabe 1440p also. A 390x overclockd might match a Fury X too @ 1080p.
It will easily beat a Fury.

best solution..
buy a 359$ gtx980 on Evga site , overclock it and get 500$ Fury 1080p/1440p performance.

we were talking about efficiency. even if it matches it, consuming a similar amount of power throws efficiency advantage claims out the window and suggests that even with the added silicon, amd is not less efficient on hardware released in similar periods.
 

Azix

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Nearly all... of them?

should be easy to find a fully compliant HDMI 2.0 TV then. I couldn't find any with my incompetent google skills so i was hoping for some help. Trying to understand the hdmi 2.0 situation.
 

96Firebird

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should be easy to find a fully compliant HDMI 2.0 TV then. I couldn't find any with my incompetent google skills so i was hoping for some help. Trying to understand the hdmi 2.0 situation.

This should help you understand the HDMI 2.0 situation a little better. Do note this article was written in 2013, and since then almost every new 4K HDTV has been fitted with HDMI 2.0.

If you want to know which TVs have it, if it says 4K @ 60Hz and doesn't have a DP input, you can bet it has HDMI 2.0.
 

mohit9206

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Still waiting for Anandtech's Gtx960 and 950 review to see how this compares to them. Not that I'm interested to buy any of these cards but i am not going to let Anandtech go easy.
 

RussianSensation

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best solution..
buy a 359$ gtx980 on Evga site , overclock it and get 500$ Fury 1080p/1440p performance.

Ummm..no, not at current market prices. Fury at $500 makes no sense when GTX980Ti has dropped as low as $570-600 at times. Fury also makes no sense against AMD's own R9 390/390X. GTX980 at $360 is also overpriced when you can get way better deals on 970 and 390/390X cards.

R9 380X should have been launched January 2015 because the sales on 390/970 are going to heat up even more during the holidays.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2455407

Still waiting for Anandtech's Gtx960 and 950 review to see how this compares to them. Not that I'm interested to buy any of these cards but i am not going to let Anandtech go easy.

And what would their review accomplish? It's going to tell you exactly what you already know:

1) 2GB cards are DOA for anyone who intends to keep their card for 2-3 years and play AAA games with high quality textures/without stutters - i.e., you should skip 2GB cards at all costs and pay extra $20-30 for 3-4GB cards, especially when one of those 3GB cards is almost 30% faster than the GTX960. More on that below.

2) With $25 off $200 deals on Newegg via Amex and VISA checkout, it's actually way better to purchase R9 290/970/390 as they are significantly faster than GTX950/960. It will take 2 960s just to come close to a single 970/390 so even for future SLI, 950/960 fail.

3) If you intend to play AAA games on a 4K HDTV, buy 980Ti or 980Ti SLi, not 950/960. If you only need an HTPC card with minimal gaming on an HDTV, get a 950.

4) If you just need a basic card for light gaming, get a sub-$80 750Ti.

5) R9 280X at $170 is better for gaming than any other AMD/NV card in the $140-190 price range.

Why do you need AT review on those cards, just to tell you that 950/960/380 are all bad value for gaming?



AT reviews cannot keep up with how quickly prices are changing in this marketplace, which is not their fault since reviews aren't dynamic. Even in their review of the 380X OC, they sighted MSRP of $259.99 but Asus sells the Asus Strix 380X for $239.99 on Newegg and who wants to spend $20 extra for what 50mhz more?

There is more than enough data across countless great review sites to determine what is a good card to buy right now in each GPU segment.
 
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MrTeal

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should be easy to find a fully compliant HDMI 2.0 TV then. I couldn't find any with my incompetent google skills so i was hoping for some help. Trying to understand the hdmi 2.0 situation.

The problem isn't finding a TV that does HDMI 2.0, it's finding one that does 4k@60Hz and 4:4:4. It's a lot better in 2015 than it was last year, but you still need to do some research to make sure a 4k@60 TV is suitable as a monitor. Some still only do 4:4:4 chroma with a PC mode that has pretty bad lag if you're a FPS fan. Some resort to switching between Game and PC mode on the TV.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/pc-monitor/best
 

RussianSensation

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The problem isn't finding a TV that does HDMI 2.0, it's finding one that does 4k@60Hz and 4:4:4.

That's not even the main problem imo. As a Panasonic plasma user, if I am buying a new TV for my living room, chances are I want it for watching shows, movies, TV/news, BluRay/4K BluRay, etc. not just games. Once we take actual IQ into account (specifically contrast and black levels), a 1080P LG OLED wipes the floor with any 4K LED/LCD. Even my non-tech savvy friends who don't know anything about TVs had their jaws hit the floor when I showed them a 2015 Samsung 4K LED/LCD and then walked them over to the LG OLEDs. Unanimously every single one of them said the 1080P OLED is better than any 4K LED/LCD in the entire store and anyone with 2 eyes who understand IQ would agree.

And how much does a 4K LG OLED cost? $3-$5K US. That is the real problem. The irony here is people who are hyping up 4K LED/LCDs with HDMI 2.0 are the ones who don't know much about high quality IQ. All you end up with is a TV with more pixels but inherently inferior technology. That's about as exciting as getting a boob job and a face-lift for a 50-year-old.

In fact, in terms of pure IQ, a 65" 4K LED/LCD cannot even match a 1080P 65" Panasonic Plasma.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XWV2X9U/ref=pd_va_channel_11

So ya, 4K LED/LCD is pure marketing for now and the uninformed masses are flocking to them - putting lipstick on an outdated tech pig (yes please, give me even higher resolution of a bad looking image!) repackaging it as 4K as if it fixes any of the major flaws of LEDs (nope). This is pure irony because the people hyping up 4K HDMI 2.0 to the moon and back as a critical IQ feature and thus why underpowered 950/960 cards are good, have no freaken clue the 4K LED output is miles behind 1080P OLED/Plasma but hey, I got 4K so it must be better, right...

As you mentioned too, to reduce input lag on those 2015 4K LEDs, you put them into Game mode which has a tendency to reduce IQ even further, dropping the motion resolution to just 300 lines on some of those TVs, while reducing contrast even further. More marketing gimmicks.

It's not better, which is why NVIDIA basically has the entire mobile gaming GPU market + most of the desktop GPU market.

Yup, the sales card argument comes up. I guess that also means Bose, Beats, Crocs, Toyota Corolla, Civic, Camry, the original Wii, McDonalds, 3 series BMW are/were the best products in the world. Has nothing to do with the IQ/the average person's ability to think for him/herself and marketing and brand perception. /sarcasm

I have news for you - most people in the world are sheep, cannot think for themselves, cannot think well critically and need to have a sense of belonging. Most people in the world make consumer purchases based on emotions, not logic. That's one of the main reasons why advertising works. In a capitalist consumerist society, perception of yourself in the eyes of others and overall sense of belonging is also fed by attaching the psychological insecurities to a person from the products/services he/she consumes. Therefore, based on that alone, consumers are far more likely to purchase something that is the most popular, most recommended overall and what is perceived positively by others since it makes them feel like they made the right choice. A lot of consumers would often rule out any product based on the brand name and brand perception, even before cross-shopping competing products in the segment. I can easily find 10 people I personally know that if I were to magically produce a 2030 Android smartphone in front of them, they would still tell me iPhone 6S is better.

I wish I had the $ to produce a scientific test with GPUs to prove it. Remember how many people purchased NV's products for a decade despite NV cards having horrible 2D IQ, what about NV cards not having Full RBG over HDMI?

Marketing by its very nature is aimed at the masses, not logical thinkers. AMD could drop the Fury X to $299 tomorrow and it would still never outsell NV's current Maxwell line-up. I know you know this too

What do you say about Intel far outselling AMD during Athlon XP+, Athlon 64, Athlon X2/Opteron eras? Clearly if most consumers were so informed and critically/technically savvy, they would not have purchased the "superior" Intel processors during those eras. What about GeForce 5 or even 7? Who in their right mind would purchase one of those? Worse 2D+3D IQ and worse performance and yet they sold like crazy.

What about taking R9 290/290X and refreshing them as R9 390/390X? The former barely sold, had been crapped on non-stop basically while the latter is the 99.9% the same product but is somehow awesome sauce. To this date we have certain posters claiming how R9 290 is hot and loud in all forms.
 
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Seba

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R9 380X only appeared in one PC shop here for now, but the prices are ridiculous (right now you can get a ASUS GTX 970 with centrifugal fan for the same price as the cheapest R9 380X, or a GTX 970 with axial fans for 5-10% more). Huge fail.
 

RussianSensation

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R9 380X only appeared in one PC shop here for now, but the prices are ridiculous (right now you can get a ASUS GTX 970 with centrifugal fan for the same price as the cheapest R9 380X, or a GTX 970 with axial fans for 5-10% more). Huge fail.

Ya, it is weird how prices can vary so much by region. Newegg.ca has R9 380X priced very close to the 960.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150761&cm_re=r9_380x-_-14-150-761-_-Product
vs.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...7154&cm_re=gtx_960_4gb-_-14-487-154-_-Product

In comparison the 970 and 390 are priced well above that.

I dont know where you are but in Europe,

UK also has a big price difference

R9 380X = 190 pounds
R9 390 = 254 pounds
Various after-market GTX970s go for $250-260 pounds minimum.

At least in Canada and the UK, from what I am seeing, it's not possible to cross-shop a 380X with a 970/390. R9 380X is really priced much closer to the GTX960 4GB.
 
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MrTeal

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Ya, it is weird how prices can vary so much by region. Newegg.ca has R9 380X priced very close to the 960.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150761&cm_re=r9_380x-_-14-150-761-_-Product
vs.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...7154&cm_re=gtx_960_4gb-_-14-487-154-_-Product

In comparison the 970 and 390 are priced well above that.



UK also has a big price difference

R9 380X = 190 pounds
R9 390 = 254 pounds
Various after-market GTX970s go for $250-260 pounds minimum.

At least in Canada and the UK, from what I am seeing, it's not possible to cross-shop a 380X with a 970/390. R9 380X is really priced much closer to the GTX960 4GB.

In Canada it's not possible to cross shop the 380X with the 390, but you still can with the 290. Newegg.ca has the reference Sapphire 290 for $310 without a rebate, which is as cheap or cheaper than any of the 380X's.

Edit: $290, with promo code CEMCKKNS24
 
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MrTeal

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That's not even the main problem imo. As a Panasonic plasma user, if I am buying a new TV for my living room, chances are I want it for watching shows, movies, TV/news, BluRay/4K BluRay, etc. not just games. Once we take actual IQ into account (specifically contrast and black levels), a 1080P LG OLED wipes the floor with any 4K LED/LCD. Even my non-tech savvy friends who don't know anything about TVs had their jaws hit the floor when I showed them a 2015 Samsung 4K LED/LCD and then walked them over to the LG OLEDs. Unanimously every single one of them said the 1080P OLED is better than any 4K LED/LCD in the entire store and anyone with 2 eyes who understand IQ would agree.

And how much does a 4K LG OLED cost? $3-$5K US. That is the real problem. The irony here is people who are hyping up 4K LED/LCDs with HDMI 2.0 are the ones who don't know much about high quality IQ. All you end up with is a TV with more pixels but inherently inferior technology. That's about as exciting as getting a boob job and a face-lift for a 50-year-old.

In fact, in terms of pure IQ, a 65" 4K LED/LCD cannot even match a 1080P 65" Panasonic Plasma.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XWV2X9U/ref=pd_va_channel_11

So ya, 4K LED/LCD is pure marketing for now and the uninformed masses are flocking to them - putting lipstick on an outdated tech pig (yes please, give me even higher resolution of a bad looking image!) repackaging it as 4K as if it fixes any of the major flaws of LEDs (nope). This is pure irony because the people hyping up 4K HDMI 2.0 to the moon and back as a critical IQ feature and thus why underpowered 950/960 cards are good, have no freaken clue the 4K LED output is miles behind 1080P OLED/Plasma but hey, I got 4K so it must be better, right...

As you mentioned too, to reduce input lag on those 2015 4K LEDs, you put them into Game mode which has a tendency to reduce IQ even further, dropping the motion resolution to just 300 lines on some of those TVs, while reducing contrast even further. More marketing gimmicks..
It depends what you want to do with it. There's likely two main camps, people who want to hook their computer up to their TV to game on or watch movies, and people who want to use a 4K TV as a monitor. If you are using it as a monitor, having 4:4:4 is very important for the readability of text. I have a 43" 4k/60Hz Crossover monitor, and 4k is a real benefit over 1080p, regardless of the display type. I've seen Windows on a large 4k display with chroma subsampling, and it's migraine inducing if you want to use it 8 hours a day.
 

DeathReborn

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Ya, it is weird how prices can vary so much by region. Newegg.ca has R9 380X priced very close to the 960.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150761&cm_re=r9_380x-_-14-150-761-_-Product
vs.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...7154&cm_re=gtx_960_4gb-_-14-487-154-_-Product

In comparison the 970 and 390 are priced well above that.



UK also has a big price difference

R9 380X = 190 pounds
R9 390 = 254 pounds
Various after-market GTX970s go for $250-260 pounds minimum.

At least in Canada and the UK, from what I am seeing, it's not possible to cross-shop a 380X with a 970/390. R9 380X is really priced much closer to the GTX960 4GB.

Try using http://skinflint.co.uk for price checks in the UK, that site states the following:

960 2GB - £131
960 4GB - £153
970 4GB - £211
380 2GB - £150
380X 4GB - £189
390 8GB - £239
 

Gikaseixas

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right now you can get a ASUS GTX 970 with centrifugal fan for the same price as the cheapest R9 380X, or a GTX 970 with axial fans for 5-10% more). Huge fail.

Excuse me but i think you're not being honest
Please post links
 

Seba

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Excuse me but i think you're not being honest
Please post links
Pretty harsh accusations (if not insults) you make here.

ASUS GeForce GTX 970 TURBO OC - 1398.31 RON

Zotac GeForce GTX 970 - 1489.90 RON

ASUS Radeon R9 380X STRIX GAMING 4GB - 1374.19 RON (it was 1400 RON at the time when I made that post).

ASUS Radeon R9 380X STRIX GAMING OC 4GB - 1431.72 RON


This is the first shop that has R9 380X available to purchase here. They also lists two other R9 380X models, slightly less expensive (1269.65 RON and 1361.67 RON), but those can not be ordered (and never was possible to order them), so I disregard them. I expect the prices of R9 380X to come down and the cheaper ones to became available for purchase, because I do not think that anyone would buy them at such high prices.

GTX 960 4GB is often found at around 1000 RON here. Those are frequently on sale for 1000 RON at various shops. Right now, there are no sales for GTX 960 4GB so the cheapest is 1081.50 RON. Right now there are sales only for 2GB versions of GTX 960 (starting from 900 RON).

Here is the cheapest R9 290 4GB available now:
Club 3D Radeon R9 290 4GB GDDR5 512-bit [royalKing] - 1359 RON.

1 USD is about 4.17 RON.
 
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Gikaseixas

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Pretty harsh accusations (if not insults) you make here.

ASUS GeForce GTX 970 TURBO OC - 1398.31 RON

Zotac GeForce GTX 970 - 1489.90 RON

ASUS Radeon R9 380X STRIX GAMING 4GB - 1374.19 RON (it was 1400 RON at the time when I made that post).

ASUS Radeon R9 380X STRIX GAMING OC 4GB - 1431.72 RON


This is the first shop that has R9 380X available to purchase here. They also lists two other R9 380X models, slightly less expensive (1269.65 RON and 1361.67 RON), but those can not be ordered (and never was possible to order them), so I disregard them. I expect the prices of R9 380X to come down and the cheaper ones to became available for purchase, because I do not think that anyone would buy them at such high prices.

GTX 960 4GB is often found at around 1000 RON here. Those are frequently on sale for 1000 RON at various shops. Right now, there are no sales for GTX 960 4GB so the cheapest is 1081.50 RON. Right now there are sales only for 2GB versions of GTX 960 (starting from 900 RON).

Here is the cheapest R9 290 4GB available now:
Club 3D Radeon R9 290 4GB GDDR5 512-bit [royalKing] - 1359 RON.

1 USD is about 4.17 RON.

You labelled it a huge fail because of one website's pricing order? That's not the norm everywhere else dude. You need to factor other markets if you're going to classify a product by price only.

In the end you didn't lie, accept my apologies for that but please follow my advice. Like US residents, you didn't factored in other markets.
 
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