Racism in Russia is out of control

raildogg

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Racism in Russia is out of control: Amnesty

By Meg Clothier Thu May 4, 10:29 AM ET

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Racist attacks happen with shocking regularity in Russia and the government is shirking its responsibilities and failing to confront the problem, Amnesty International said in a report on Thursday.

Anyone who does not look ethnically Russian is at risk, the report said, be they an African studying in St Petersburg or somebody from the Caucasus trying to earn a living in Moscow.

Young Tajik children have also been targeted by gangs of young men -- and women -- with neo-fascist beliefs. Attacks on Jews also seem to be on the rise, it said.

Anti-racism campaigners and even fans of rap or reggae music have also suffered, Amnesty said, because the "skinheads," as those with racist views are called in Russia, think they are "traitors."

The report may make uncomfortable reading for President
Vladimir Putin as he prepares to host leaders of Group of Eight rich nations in St Petersburg this July to showcase Russia's credentials as a responsible, modern state.

"Russia's record on racism is incompatible with the country's place on the international stage and undermines its standing in the world," Irene Khan, Amnesty International's Secretary General, said in a statement.

UNCERTAINTY AND ANGER

The chaos that followed the fall of the Soviet Union bred uncertainty about Russia's place in the world and anger at the perceived threat from immigration. Racist groups sprang up.

Russia's northern city of St Petersburg is especially notorious for attacks. Last month a Senegalese student, coming out of a night club with a group of friends, was killed with a shotgun emblazoned with a Nazi swastika.

Barely a week goes by without news of another act of racist violence. This week in Moscow teenagers wielding chains beat a Russian man as he tried to protect his half-African nephews.

The report said that the authorities had failed, until recently, to publicly recognize the attacks as a problem, with politicians ignoring the issue and the police either failing to investigate attacks at all, or investigating them inadequately.

People are starting to fight back, holding peaceful demonstrations to condemn racists and commemorate the dead.

"These violent attacks are one of the most visible manifestations of deep-seated intolerance and xenophobia in many parts of Russian society," Khan added.

"Yet turning a blind eye to race hate crimes has encouraged the growth of extreme xenophobia and neo-fascism in the country."

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So these so-called Nazi wannabe Russians apparently forget the millions of Russians that were killed by the Nazis.

Racism has been widespread in Russia for quite a bit period of time and it is only getting worse.
 

Ronstang

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Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.

I don't think so. Diversity is a great thing and its usually the more ignorant and hateful people who do this sort of thing. It varies greatly by region and people's background. Once we humans evolve, it'll get better.
 

FelixDeCat

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Now that minorities exceed 50 or more of the pop in some states, reverse racism is becomming a trend. I see that happening too, and it aint pretty.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.

I don't think so. Diversity is a great thing and its usually the more ignorant and hateful people who do this sort of thing. It varies greatly by region and people's background. Once we humans evolve, it'll get better.

Not likely. Poeple are stupid. You are being optimistic because you don't want the truth to be ugly. Lookd around the world. Globalism is resuliting in a clash of cutlures on a scale never seen before. It is only modern man's relative civilized nature that has prevented it from being too violent yet. Fear is a powerful emotion that strips man of his civilized ways. There is more racism in Europe today than you are willing to admit.....the kind that brought the Nazis to power less than 100 years ago.
 

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.


Uh. No. Diversity is great. The only ones who struggle with it are the biggots, racists, anti-semites, and homophobes.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: astrocase
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.


Uh. No. Diversity is great. The only ones who struggle with it are the biggots, racists, anti-semites, and homophobes.

I made no qualification about diversity. It is backfiring, plain and simple. Look around the world. Diversity is great when everyone involved is of the same class/education level but take it out of the laboratory and it fails miserably in the real world where most people are stupid and when driven by fear react like animals.

 

JS80

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Homophobia in Russia is also out of control

that made me roflcopter but thats cause im a closeminded bigot.

ooooh, it THAT what I am? lol i was roflmaoing too.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.

I don't think so. Diversity is a great thing and its usually the more ignorant and hateful people who do this sort of thing. It varies greatly by region and people's background. Once we humans evolve, it'll get better.

Not likely. Poeple are stupid. You are being optimistic because you don't want the truth to be ugly. Lookd around the world. Globalism is resuliting in a clash of cutlures on a scale never seen before. It is only modern man's relative civilized nature that has prevented it from being too violent yet. Fear is a powerful emotion that strips man of his civilized ways. There is more racism in Europe today than you are willing to admit.....the kind that brought the Nazis to power less than 100 years ago.

Globalism is bringing people together and bringing employment to otherwise ignored areas. It has had a huge effect on certain regions. The clash of cultures will not happen due to free trade. Free trade is breaking down barriers.

I think ignorance is more to be feared than fear itself. People who have not been exposed to different people act a certain. People who have been exposed to different people also act a certain way. Some people's views on other cultures changes, either positively or negatives based on their contact with them. It is actually more complex than that, but for the time being, it will do.

We as humans will evolve one day.
 

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I was surprised when I heard about this problem from a friend who's planning on spending the summer in Moscow. I'd think Russia, a former superpower and still a major country on the international stage would move quickly and decisively to reduce what appears to be lawless gangs preying on random people. The corruption and ineffectiveness of the police astounds me, but then again, the country has had rough times. My friend quoted something like 60% or more of foreign students suffer some form of physical assault in Moscow (something like that, not sure about the numbers, but I just remember the majority of foreign students being assaulted), which sounds ridiculous to me. The Russian government needs to do something about this problem or the nation will lose credibility on the international stage, develop a bad reputation and piss off other countries that have been providing Russia with aid in various forms.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: raildogg
We as humans will evolve one day.

Unfortunatley there are things called nuclear weapons which means it is more likely that we will eradicate ourselves from the universe long before the stupid masses evolve. You fail to see that most people are stupid and thus procreate and raise stupid children. Evolutoin takes too long. History is going to repeat itself but this time the weapons are worse and the outcome is not rosy.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: astrocase
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.


Uh. No. Diversity is great. The only ones who struggle with it are the biggots, racists, anti-semites, and homophobes.

I made no qualification about diversity. It is backfiring, plain and simple. Look around the world. Diversity is great when everyone involved is of the same class/education level but take it out of the laboratory and it fails miserably in the real world where most people are stupid and when driven by fear react like animals.

Diversity is not backfiring. The racists and bigots are losing in Europe, that is why they are acting so desperately. I will also say that Europe's immigration policy, from what I've seen needs to be changed. Too many immigrants have come in far too quickly while the previous ones have not yet fully integrated into the society. Part of that is due to Europe's different structure than America, where here it is easier to practice your old lifestyle.

But then again, Europe needs new labor and their populations are not meeting the demand.

Diversity is seen by some as a negative thing. Michael Savage goes on how bad it is. It can be bad, sure. Anything can be bad due to bad people. But as a whole, it is a positive. Seeing people from all over the world living happily in most places is a good thing. What is happening in Europe is not happening in America and that should show you that diversity is not to blame, but ignorance and hatred is.

Hatred usually stems from ignorance.
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: astrocase
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.


Uh. No. Diversity is great. The only ones who struggle with it are the biggots, racists, anti-semites, and homophobes.

I made no qualification about diversity. It is backfiring, plain and simple. Look around the world. Diversity is great when everyone involved is of the same class/education level but take it out of the laboratory and it fails miserably in the real world where most people are stupid and when driven by fear react like animals.

Diversity is not backfiring. The racists and bigots are losing in Europe, that is why they are acting so desperately. I will also say that Europe's immigration policy, from what I've seen needs to be changed. Too many immigrants have come in far too quickly while the previous ones have not yet fully integrated into the society. Part of that is due to Europe's different structure than America, where here it is easier to practice your old lifestyle.

But then again, Europe needs new labor and their populations are not meeting the demand.

Diversity is seen by some as a negative thing. Michael Savage goes on how bad it is. It can be bad, sure. Anything can be bad due to bad people. But as a whole, it is a positive. Seeing people from all over the world living happily in most places is a good thing. What is happening in Europe is not happening in America and that should show you that diversity is not to blame, but ignorance and hatred is.

Hatred usually stems from ignorance.


Racism and bigotry comes in all colors. Its just that theres no focus on the non-white variety. I see it everyday, and it sucks.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: astrocase
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.


Uh. No. Diversity is great. The only ones who struggle with it are the biggots, racists, anti-semites, and homophobes.

I made no qualification about diversity. It is backfiring, plain and simple. Look around the world. Diversity is great when everyone involved is of the same class/education level but take it out of the laboratory and it fails miserably in the real world where most people are stupid and when driven by fear react like animals.

Diversity is not backfiring. The racists and bigots are losing in Europe, that is why they are acting so desperately. I will also say that Europe's immigration policy, from what I've seen needs to be changed. Too many immigrants have come in far too quickly while the previous ones have not yet fully integrated into the society. Part of that is due to Europe's different structure than America, where here it is easier to practice your old lifestyle.

But then again, Europe needs new labor and their populations are not meeting the demand.

Diversity is seen by some as a negative thing. Michael Savage goes on how bad it is. It can be bad, sure. Anything can be bad due to bad people. But as a whole, it is a positive. Seeing people from all over the world living happily in most places is a good thing. What is happening in Europe is not happening in America and that should show you that diversity is not to blame, but ignorance and hatred is.

Hatred usually stems from ignorance.


Racism and bigotry comes in all colors. Its just that theres no focus on the non-white variety. I see it everyday, and it sucks.

And yet i see how intolerant the average american is to gay people. There's no difference.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: astrocase
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Racism is only going to get worse....diversity is a noble experiment that is backfiring.


Uh. No. Diversity is great. The only ones who struggle with it are the biggots, racists, anti-semites, and homophobes.

I made no qualification about diversity. It is backfiring, plain and simple. Look around the world. Diversity is great when everyone involved is of the same class/education level but take it out of the laboratory and it fails miserably in the real world where most people are stupid and when driven by fear react like animals.

Diversity is not backfiring. The racists and bigots are losing in Europe, that is why they are acting so desperately. I will also say that Europe's immigration policy, from what I've seen needs to be changed. Too many immigrants have come in far too quickly while the previous ones have not yet fully integrated into the society. Part of that is due to Europe's different structure than America, where here it is easier to practice your old lifestyle.

But then again, Europe needs new labor and their populations are not meeting the demand.

Diversity is seen by some as a negative thing. Michael Savage goes on how bad it is. It can be bad, sure. Anything can be bad due to bad people. But as a whole, it is a positive. Seeing people from all over the world living happily in most places is a good thing. What is happening in Europe is not happening in America and that should show you that diversity is not to blame, but ignorance and hatred is.

Hatred usually stems from ignorance.


Racism and bigotry comes in all colors. Its just that theres no focus on the non-white variety. I see it everyday, and it sucks.

And yet i see how intolerant the average american is to gay people. There's no difference.

Please leave the homosexual stuff out of this.

It clearly shows in the title that this is about racism.
 
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