Racism runs pretty deep in the TRUMP administration....this concerns the proposed citizenship question

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ivwshane

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lol your us vs them attitude cracks me up. You must be a joy to live with.

So when you said you agreed that all people should be counted and it was pointed out to you that adding such a question to the census would actually result in not all people being counted, were you lying to me or to yourself?

From my perspective it looks like a you vs you.
 
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blackangst1

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So when you said you agreed that all people should be counted and it was pointed out to you that adding such a question to the census would actually result in not all people being counted, were you lying to me or to yourself?

From my perspective it looks like a you vs you.
I didn't lie you dumbass. I've stated from the beginning I think it should be asked, and you and I both provided it's legal and constitutional to do so.

Are you really that shallow?

edit: we'll see what SCOTUS says in April, wont we?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I didn't lie you dumbass. I've stated from the beginning I think it should be asked, and you and I both provided it's legal and constitutional to do so.

Are you really that shallow?

edit: we'll see what SCOTUS says in April, wont we?

So again, you lied, you don't think all people should be counted. Got it.
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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I'm not admitting I'm wrong, I'm admitting I disagree with your opinion. Nothing else
That's your right to disagree! The problem is you ands TRUMP must be brothers or related......to disagree with truth and facts is just plain idiotic!
Finally just because you disagree or just because you see it in TRUMPs reality doesn`t change the fact that you are wrong!!
 

blackangst1

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So again, you lied, you don't think all people should be counted. Got it.

That's your right to disagree! The problem is you ands TRUMP must be brothers or related......to disagree with truth and facts is just plain idiotic!
Finally just because you disagree or just because you see it in TRUMPs reality doesn`t change the fact that you are wrong!!

Im just curious. Have you ever been this passionate about citizenship being ask before now? Or is it because it satisfies your opinion Trump is a racist, so NOW its suddenly relevant?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Im just curious. Have you ever been this passionate about citizenship being ask before now? Or is it because it satisfies your opinion Trump is a racist, so NOW its suddenly relevant?

Trump is a racist regardless, this is simply just another item to add to the long list of racist things he's done. I'm passionate because something like ensuring the people of the United States has adequate representation is the cornerstone of any functioning democracy. We already have representation issues in this country as it is and considering that the census is only conducted every ten years, I think it's pretty damn important that it's done right.

The question is; why aren't you passionate about ensuring our democracy is functioning properly?
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Trump is a racist regardless, this is simply just another item to add to the long list of racist things he's done. I'm passionate because something like ensuring the people of the United States has adequate representation is the cornerstone of any functioning democracy. We already have representation issues in this country as it is and considering that the census is only conducted every ten years, I think it's pretty damn important that it's done right.

The question is; why aren't you passionate about ensuring our democracy is functioning properly?
BINGO!!
 

Paratus

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I’d like to know who owns guns and how many they own.

I’d also like to know how many people are on opioids, with or without a prescription.

These are questions that should also be on the census.

If people don’t want to tell the government how many weapons they have they can choose not to be counted.

I’m sure @blackangst1 agrees.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Trump is a racist regardless, this is simply just another item to add to the long list of racist things he's done. I'm passionate because something like ensuring the people of the United States has adequate representation is the cornerstone of any functioning democracy. We already have representation issues in this country as it is and considering that the census is only conducted every ten years, I think it's pretty damn important that it's done right.

The question is; why aren't you passionate about ensuring our democracy is functioning properly?

I am. Sure we're a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. You might want to get on board with of your Democratic leaders on the Democratic party. Yep its a Fox link but guess what...it has supporting video.

Bill Clinton 1995 SOTU:
“All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.

The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace...

We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.” (Bill Clinton, Remarks At State Of The Union, Washington, D.C., 1/24/95)

Or how about Nancy Pelosi?
During a 2008 press conference, Pelosi addressed the “challenge” of illegal immigrants and said “we certainly do not want any more coming in.”

“Do we have a commitment to secure the border? Yes. What are the options that we have available to us, let's make sure they work,” Pelosi said.

“Because we do need to address the issue of immigration and the challenge we have of undocumented people in our country. We certainly do not want any more coming in.”

Oh and then theres Diane Feinstein:
In a 1994 interview on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” Feinstein again rallied against illegal immigrants, saying “illegal immigrants who come here and commit felonies ― that’s not what this nation is.”

She continued to reiterate that “border control is a federal responsibility” and that “we simply don’t enforce our borders adequately.”

The senator then began to describe how California is struggling to cope with 2,000 people a day trying to “illegally” cross the border, in addition to the 2 million illegal immigrants that were in the state already.


In other words you shallow dimwit, anti-illegal immigration is not racism. Its about protecting our Democracy.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I’d like to know who owns guns and how many they own.

I’d also like to know how many people are on opioids, with or without a prescription.

These are questions that should also be on the census.

If people don’t want to tell the government how many weapons they have they can choose not to be counted.

I’m sure @blackangst1 agrees.

Guns clearly lie outside the interests of the Census. Youre reaching now. There are other ways to accomplish it, in the proper way.

Clearly youre trying to project your opinion of me and guns. I suggest you read my response in this thread: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/the-house-passes-gun-control-bills.2561918/
 
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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Im just curious. Have you ever been this passionate about citizenship being ask before now? Or is it because it satisfies your opinion Trump is a racist, so NOW its suddenly relevant?
If the question was being used for just informational purposes with no repercussions that would be different!
But the question is being used to attempt to identify and tear apart families and most of those families even if they are illegal they are working and paying taxes and have children....sometimes a lot of children yet the TRUMP administration sees nothing wrong with tearing those families apart! Most of those families have more than one job and quite abit of the time they do jobs that regular americans would never do or do not want to do!!
Contrary to popular belief most of the Hispanic people that I know who are illegal except for going to work are productive people who are community oriented!
Peace -- OBTW -- TRUMP is a racist whether you believe it or not! His inaction in certain matters just goes to prove that he agrees with certain fringe elements!
 
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blackangst1

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If the question was being used for just informational purposes with no repercussions that would be different!
But the question is being used to attempt to identify and tear apart families and most of those families even if they are illegal they are working and paying taxes and have children....sometimes a lot of children yet the TRUMP administration sees nothing wrong with tearing those families apart! Most of those families have more than one job and quite abit of the time they do jobs that regular americands would never do or do not want to do!!
Contrary to popular belief most of the Hispanic people that I know who are illegal except for going to work are productive people who are community oriented!
Peace -- OBTW -- TRUMP is a racist whether you believe it or not! His inaction in certain matters just goes to prove that he agrees with certain fringe elements!

Was it in the past, too? Or only now because Trump wants to do it again?
 
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Trump is a racist regardless, this is simply just another item to add to the long list of racist things he's done. I'm passionate because something like ensuring the people of the United States has adequate representation is the cornerstone of any functioning democracy. We already have representation issues in this country as it is and considering that the census is only conducted every ten years, I think it's pretty damn important that it's done right.

The question is; why aren't you passionate about ensuring our democracy is functioning properly?

Preach it brother!!
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Was it in the past, too? Or only now because Trump wants to do it again?
Why does it have to be past present or future?? Racism will always be racism no matter how you try to color it!
The problem you have is you just don`t understand.....there is nothing wrong with the question!! What is wrong is the question is not being used for purely informational purposes!!
The question has much larger and far reaching ramifications. As a country we should not be about hurting people or tearing apart familys.
 
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blackangst1

Lifer
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Why does it have to be past present or future?? Racism will always be racism no matter how you try to color it!
The problem you have is you just don`t understand.....there is nothing wrong with the question!! What is wrong is the question is not being used for purely informational purposes!!
The question has much larger and far reaching ramifications. As a country we should not be about hurting people or tearing apart familys.

Show me evidence it is intended for something other than information? I mean, with Trumps tweet habits, there has to be something!
 

JEDIYoda

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Show me evidence it is intended for something other than information? I mean, with Trumps tweet habits, there has to be something!
You dsidn`t even read the posted link.....then we also have voter suppression --
Ross was on the ropes for much of his testimony before the House Oversight Committee, but the knockout blow did not come until the seventh hour of the hearing, when Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., finally had the chance to interrogate Ross, who is 52 years her senior. Ocasio-Cortez, who has been in Congress a little more than two months, effectively summarized the Democrats’ central argument against Ross: that in putting the question on the census, Ross did not consult with U.S. Census Bureau experts but instead took advice from voter-suppression specialists aligned with President Trump.

“It’s all there in black and white,” Ocasio-Cortez said of a July 2017 email to Ross from Kris Kobach, the then Kansas secretary of state who has made a career of voter suppression. The email said that adding a citizenship question was “essential,” presumably so that congressional apportionment would prove more favorable to Republicans.

Don`t you find it the least bit odd that since 1950 there has been no such question on the census?? Then TRUMP comes into office and walla…...all hell breaks loose with illegal immigrants as well as the DOJ and Homeland security even holding legal citizens....against there will!!

Then we have this from the ACLU -- For the first time since 1950, the census will ask respondents whether or not they are U.S. citizens. It may seem innocuous, but the addition of the question — in essence, a door-to-door government inquiry as to the citizenship status of every member of every household in the United States — will have far reaching consequences. It will dramatically reduce participation by immigrant communities, stunting their growing political influence and depriving them of economic benefits.

This is not an unintended side effect. It’s the reason the Trump administration sought to add the question, rejecting the advice of Census Bureau’s professional staff, its scientific advisory committee, and five previous census directors from both Republican and Democratic administrations.


Manipulating the census to discriminate against and disadvantage certain groups violates both the Fifth Amendment right to equal protection and the constitutional obligation that the census counts every living person in the United States, not just every citizen. The Trump administration must not be permitted to use the census as a tool to carry out its discriminatory designs — which is why the ACLU and partners have filed a federal lawsuit to block the question’s inclusion before it’s too late.


The Trump administration has claimed that the Justice Department needs citizenship information in order to enforce the Voting Rights Act. Its pure pretext — the Voting Rights Act has been enforced by the government and private parties for over 50 years and during that time the Justice Department has never had access to individual level citizenship data. Attorney General Jeff Sessions has provided no explanation, let alone a detailed analysis, as to why gathering citizenship data through the census is suddenly necessary.


What the administration has done, however, is make its animus toward immigrant communities abundantly clear. Since taking office, President Trump has routinely denigrated immigrants — calling them “rapists,” “terrorists,” and asking “why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here,” and stating his preference for immigrants “from places like Norway.” His administration’s hostility is evident in a sweeping range of anti-immigrant policies, including the issuance of the Muslim ban, the rescission of DACA, the ending of temporary protected status for hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have resided in the United States for years, criminal prosecutions of asylum seekers, increased ICE raids and deportations, and the forced separation of immigrant children from their parents.

Like these policies, the citizenship question is specifically designed to harm immigrants and instill fear among their members. In fact, the Trump administration added the question with the full knowledge that Census Bureau personnel had recently issued specific warnings that Spanish-speakers, Arab-speakers, and Chinese-speakers, among others, were already expressing unprecedented levels of concern about participating in the census.

Lower response rates will be catastrophic for communities and states with large immigrant populations. As a result of an undercounting of their residents, states may lose seats in Congress and crucial federal funding that is tied to census results. The 2020 census data will also be used by states to draw congressional and state legislative districts. Depressing census response rates in already underrepresented communities will allow politicians to draw even more skewed legislative districts and further dilute the political power of these communities. That result plays directly into a longstanding Trump administration plan to exclude non-citizens when apportioning legislative districts as a way to further strip the political power of immigrant communities.


In fact, anti-immigrant crusader Kris Kobach, who publicly stated that he had proposed the idea of the citizenship question to Trump, made clear that the goal was “so Congress [can] consider excluding illegal aliens from the apportionment process.” This strategy has already proven successful. Following the addition of the citizenship question to the census, legislators in Missouri recently introduced a bill to amend its constitution to draw state legislative districts using only citizens, rather than total population. And the state of Alabama filed a lawsuit seeking to prevent counting undocumented immigrants when apportioning congressional seats.


If the citizenship question is permitted to stand, other states seeking to further this nativist agenda are likely to follow suit.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I am. Sure we're a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. You might want to get on board with of your Democratic leaders on the Democratic party. Yep its a Fox link but guess what...it has supporting video.

Bill Clinton 1995 SOTU:


Or how about Nancy Pelosi?


Oh and then theres Diane Feinstein:



In other words you shallow dimwit, anti-illegal immigration is not racism. Its about protecting our Democracy.

LOL you've got nothing but deflecting.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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If the question was being used for just informational purposes with no repercussions that would be different!
But the question is being used to attempt to identify and tear apart families and most of those families even if they are illegal they are working and paying taxes and have children....sometimes a lot of children yet the TRUMP administration sees nothing wrong with tearing those families apart! Most of those families have more than one job and quite abit of the time they do jobs that regular americands would never do or do not want to do!!
Contrary to popular belief most of the Hispanic people that I know who are illegal except for going to work are productive people who are community oriented!
Peace -- OBTW -- TRUMP is a racist whether you believe it or not! His inaction in certain matters just goes to prove that he agrees with certain fringe elements!

Actually the question is being used, specifically, to depress the amount of people counted for the specific purpose of ensuring people, the right thinks will be democratic voters, will not receive the proper amount of Representatives.

It's completely anti-democratic.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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So dishonest. What the immigration question proposed by the Trump admin is designed to accomplish is to reduce census participation by undocumented immigrants. Period. That in turn denies the places where they live the apportioned representation the Constitution specifically creates. It also understates the burden placed on state & local govts in terms of resource allocation wrt all kinds of federal funding. Law enforcement. Education. Emergency rooms. Housing. Infrastructure.
The federal government is not responsible for the financial repercussions of misguided local sanctuary policies. This census question is only controversial because Trump has made immigration central to his political rise and survival.

There is nothing inherently wrong. It is a simple demographic data point.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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The federal government is not responsible for the financial repercussions of misguided local sanctuary policies. This census question is only controversial because Trump has made immigration central to his political rise and survival.

There is nothing inherently wrong. It is a simple demographic data point.

It's already been explained what the issue is and what the census bureau's findings were. You've failed to address it and I'm positive you've ignored it purposefully.
 

HomerJS

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Im just curious. Have you ever been this passionate about citizenship being ask before now? Or is it because it satisfies your opinion Trump is a racist, so NOW its suddenly relevant?
I was never passionate about birtherism until Trump promoted it. Points back to the same thing doesn't it?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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The federal government is not responsible for the financial repercussions of misguided local sanctuary policies. This census question is only controversial because Trump has made immigration central to his political rise and survival.

There is nothing inherently wrong. It is a simple demographic data point.
It's the reason behind it.

Do you think Trump's voter fraud commission was inherently wrong?
 

Paratus

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Guns clearly lie outside the interests of the Census. Youre reaching now. There are other ways to accomplish it, in the proper way.

Clearly youre trying to project your opinion of me and guns. I suggest you read my response in this thread: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/the-house-passes-gun-control-bills.2561918/

No. I would say these are important issues to investigate. We need to know where illegal aliens are armed and where illegal opioids are so we can track the scourge of MS-13.

That’s what I would say at any rate. The reality is I’m doing the same thing the Trump admin is doing by asking about citizen status.

You see I know most gun owners are conservative, especially multiple gun owners. I also know that conservative gun owners distrust the government asking questions about their arsenals as being the start of gun registration and confiscation.

Many would choose not to answer the census, causing population undercount in conservative areas. This would shift slightly legislative coverage to liberal areas at the expense of the conservative ones benefiting the democrats.

This is the underlying goal of asking about citizenship. Many non citizens will refuse to answer the census for fear of being deported resulting in under counts in areas that are likely democratic, resulting in a slight shift in power to conservative ones.l for the next ten years.

The citizenship question is simply another method of stacking the deck so conservatives can stay in power without having to appeal to 50.1% of the population. Just like forcing the use of IDs that elderly liberals are less likely to have to vote, manipulating the number of and duration of polling places, using voting machines without paper trails, and ignoring safeguards on absentee ballots, along with the natural lean towards conservative power inherent in the senate and electoral colleges.

So I’m against it because it undermines the accuracy of the census to answer a question not constitutionally required to help insulate conservative politicians from actually having to answer to their constituents.
 
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