Racism runs pretty deep in the TRUMP administration....this concerns the proposed citizenship question

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brycejones

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That seems pretty irrelevant don't you think? If the results are a lower response rate which results in a less accurate census count it really doesn't matter what their reason behind not responding is, now does it?

Somehow the Democrats are at fault for the dishonest actions and intent of the GOP.
 
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Jhhnn

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That seems pretty irrelevant don't you think? If the results are a lower response rate which results in a less accurate census count it really doesn't matter what their reason behind not responding is, now does it?
Not to mention that the Trump admin is really puttin' the fear of God into them fucking illegals, huh? Fuck those people! Fuck their American kids, too!
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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That seems pretty irrelevant don't you think? If the results are a lower response rate which results in a less accurate census count it really doesn't matter what their reason behind not responding is, now does it?
The appropriate remedy is to encourage participation in the census rather than cause people to irrationally fear it. The data has relevant federal implications.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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At some point it becomes clear that they just want to know who and where the Illegals are. Any or All arguments to make that helps achieve that goal are legitimate and will be made.
 

fskimospy

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Nope. But you seem to ignore or refuse to accept that if someone doesn't answer they will be counted. You simply say they will reject the census altogether when all they have to do is refuse to answer that question

I’m not ignoring anything.

The census is most accurate when the most people reply. When that question is asked fewer people reply. Therefore it makes the census less accurate and should not be asked.

Agree?
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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The appropriate remedy is to encourage participation in the census rather than cause people to irrationally fear it. The data has relevant federal implications.

And who is going to do this? This administration? So your dumb ass wants a question to be asked that has been shown to depress responses because there is something that can fix the situation (more fucking feels from you) but no one has and most likely won't implement let alone propose that fix? Is that the retarded logic you are going with?

Holy fuck! What other magical thinking do you subscribe to?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I’m not ignoring anything.

The census is most accurate when the most people reply. When that question is asked fewer people reply. Therefore it makes the census less accurate and should not be asked.

Agree?

Oh he agrees but he doesn't. /eyeroll

He's for every person being counted except when he's not. He doesn't ever realize his own hypocrisy on the matter.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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And who is going to do this? This administration? So your dumb ass wants a question to be asked that has been shown to depress responses because there is something that can fix the situation (more fucking feels from you) but no one has and most likely won't implement let alone propose that fix? Is that the retarded logic you are going with?

Holy fuck! What other magical thinking do you subscribe to?
Putting a stop to needless alarmism is probably sufficient.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Maybe not asking the question & using the methods the Census people prefer would do that, huh?

But that would be making the administration accountable for their actions. We can't have that! Democrats should just accept whatever the administration wants to do and launch a PR campaign instead of trying to hold the administration accountable to do the right thing in the first place.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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So dishonest. From your link-



Nevermind that illegals want nothing to do with the federal govt in general, particularly not the Trump admin.

The article also notes that the question is included at the request of the DoJ. Except that the Commerce dept seeded the question with the DoJ, with a little Kurt Kobach action thrown in, too-

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/6224...ry-considered-adding-census-citizenship-quest

If it's so legit, why are they lying & dodging?
If they don't like our government they can GTFO as far as I'm concerned. At least legal immigrants accept this country as their own . If illegals don't like it, they're free to leave.
 
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I don’t recal ever saying that. In fact I specifically said that wasn't the issue and then I explained what the issue was.


Anyone else find it telling that Starbuck can't acknowledge the point people are actually making and instead argues against something else?

I think you hurt his feelings. Bully.
 
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blackangst1

Lifer
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Put yourself in the place of an undocumented resident to see through your own calculated bullshit.

Imagine you've been here over 10 years, like the vast majority. You have a good life & want to keep it. There you are with the census form in the mail, which calls for you to reveal your immigration status to the fucking Trump admin. What to do? You pitch it & pray it all goes away.

The GOP is depending on that. That's what it's all about, from the start. They prey on fear in all kinds of ways.
First of all I would never move to a country illegally and expect the same treatment as citizens. To think otherwise is naive. So the rest of your comment I can't comment on because I would never put myself or my family in that position.
 

Jhhnn

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But that would be making the administration accountable for their actions. We can't have that! Democrats should just accept whatever the administration wants to do and launch a PR campaign instead of trying to hold the administration accountable to do the right thing in the first place.

Well, everybody knows Sessions, Ross & Kobach obviously know more about census taking than the census takers, so fuck you, Libtard!
 
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blackangst1

Lifer
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Anybody with half a brain knows this census question more than just a data point. How nieve can you actually be???
Links that show ICE or any other agency has gone after someone because of a census question? Specifically about resident status.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I don’t recal ever saying that. In fact I specifically said that wasn't the issue and then I explained what the issue was.


Anyone else find it telling that Starbuck can't acknowledge the point people are actually making and instead argues against something else?
If it means less money to the district so illegals get less all the better. Perhaps they'll go home. A country you're living in illegally is not home.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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You forgot the rest of the convo:

Illegals: I refuse to answer!
GOP: thats fine, you'll still be counted.

The full truth changes your talking point significantly.

Of course, the stupidity of your post forgets that if you receive a census form and don't fill it out, they will come knock on your door and insist you answer. It is against the law to not answer a census form or worker, btw. And I'm willing to wager you know that already.

But screw them, right? They be taking jobs from Americans, right? (Like I'll believe that when you can show me thousands of Americans willing to live in their cars for months, pick veggies/fruits by hand for 12 hours a day for a week or two, then drive to another community/field, repeat.)
 
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JEDIYoda

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Links that show ICE or any other agency has gone after someone because of a census question? Specifically about resident status.
Now your being an idiot!! I grow tired of your games...you want a link...for a process tha5t happens only every 10 years. Knowing full well that question was asked the last time back in 1950.....
You are a real work of art! Stoopid as a fuck too...just like TRUMP!!
 

Jhhnn

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If it means less money to the district so illegals get less all the better. Perhaps they'll go home. A country you're living in illegally is not home.

The citizens living there get less, too. Fuck 'em anyway, right?
 
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