Racism- Sotomoyor

mattpegher

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Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

As Eskimo points out, context is everything. You do know, for example, that those comments were made at a symposium entitled "Raising the Bar: Latino and Latina Presence in the Judiciary and the Struggle for Representation?" I would recommend you read the entire speech:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05...html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
 

mattpegher

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.


I contend that those studies are biased, as I have nothing in this world that I have not worked very hard for.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: mattpegher
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.


I contend that those studies are biased, as I have nothing in this world that I have not worked very hard for.

Then maybe you would also make a good judge. But Sotomoyor wasn't talking about YOU specifically, I don't think.

Edit: And you're sort of proving her point here. You feel you have a good perspective on issues because you have "worked very hard" for everything you have, while people who have not worked as hard presumably DON'T. And while there are exceptions to every rule, in general, minorities tend to have fewer special advantages than white people. It's a generalization, yes, but not an incorrect one.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Reminds me of my first wife. She was rejected for entrance into a particular Masters degree program, and the counsellor suggested she re-submit her app to reflect she is hispanic (mother is Portugese), so she did. She was accepted.

Many advantages to being white I guess, huh?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: mattpegher
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.


I contend that those studies are biased, as I have nothing in this world that I have not worked very hard for.

I don't doubt that you've worked hard to get where you are. Regardless, you are alleging a wide ranging conspiracy among numerous different researchers ranging from private citizens, academia, even research done by the federal government. You are claiming they are all using biased methodology? That's quite an extraordinary claim, on what evidence are you basing this?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Reminds me of my first wife. She was rejected for entrance into a particular Masters degree program, and the counsellor suggested she re-submit her app to reflect she is hispanic (mother is Portugese), so she did. She was accepted.

Many advantages to being white I guess, huh?

Yeap, there sure are. Are you honestly disputing white privilege?
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: mattpegher
I contend that those studies are biased, as I have nothing in this world that I have not worked very hard for.

People with white-sounding names are 50% more likely to be called back by an employer after submitting a resume than people with black-sounding names.

You probably have worked hard. But so have people of color, and their hard work is not recognized and rewarded as much in our society as the hard work of white people.

As another example, Judge Sotomayor's intellect and qualifications have been repeatedly questioned. A white man (this is both racial and gendered) with her background--top of her class at Princeton and Yale Law, and decades of experience in litigation and as a jurist--would not be subject to these criticisms.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Reminds me of my first wife. She was rejected for entrance into a particular Masters degree program, and the counsellor suggested she re-submit her app to reflect she is hispanic (mother is Portugese), so she did. She was accepted.

Many advantages to being white I guess, huh?

Nobody argued that white people have the advantage in every single situation, but overall you tend to have a much easier time being white in this country than you do having dark skin. No, not every single person in every single situation, but overall, yeah...being white is "easier".
 

mattpegher

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.


I contend that those studies are biased, as I have nothing in this world that I have not worked very hard for.

I don't doubt that you've worked hard to get where you are. Regardless, you are alleging a wide ranging conspiracy among numerous different researchers ranging from private citizens, academia, even research done by the federal government. You are claiming they are all using biased methodology? That's quite an extraordinary claim, on what evidence are you basing this?

I base it on my life experiences. Throughout my life, I have been held to a standard that has been modified for those who fit certain demographics. I have had to pay every cent of my education (still paying) while many others recieve grants and scholarships that are based on race or gender.

I donot contend that others do not recieve the negative impacts of racism from "white male" society, but that to move beyond racism, we must avoid all racism even reverse racism. Two wrongs do not make a right.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Reminds me of my first wife. She was rejected for entrance into a particular Masters degree program, and the counsellor suggested she re-submit her app to reflect she is hispanic (mother is Portugese), so she did. She was accepted.

Many advantages to being white I guess, huh?

Yeap, there sure are. Are you honestly disputing white privilege?

I wouldnt go as far as calling it privelege, but in MANY situations it is easier if youre a minority. Like if you want to be a firefighter for example. Or get into college. But the fact is, in todays world (in the USA anyway) there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to NOT accomplish their dream. But if they fail, of course its because they are minority. So they cry. Im sorry but whitey isnt holding ANYONE down.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Disagree with first sentence. Assuming that all white males have had less experience is prejudicial.

Further, regardless of context, if a white male had said this, there'd have been a firestorm.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Reminds me of my first wife. She was rejected for entrance into a particular Masters degree program, and the counsellor suggested she re-submit her app to reflect she is hispanic (mother is Portugese), so she did. She was accepted.

Many advantages to being white I guess, huh?

Yup my wife was able to get more financial aid once she listed herself as hispanic.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Reminds me of my first wife. She was rejected for entrance into a particular Masters degree program, and the counsellor suggested she re-submit her app to reflect she is hispanic (mother is Portugese), so she did. She was accepted.

Many advantages to being white I guess, huh?

Yeap, there sure are. Are you honestly disputing white privilege?

I would like to know what this white privilege is that you speak of. I dont recall anyone giving me a break just because of the color of my skin. And I would be insulted if they did.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Yeap, there sure are. Are you honestly disputing white privilege?

I wouldnt go as far as calling it privelege, but in MANY situations it is easier if youre a minority. Like if you want to be a firefighter for example. Or get into college. But the fact is, in todays world (in the USA anyway) there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to NOT accomplish their dream. But if they fail, of course its because they are minority. So they cry. Im sorry but whitey isnt holding ANYONE down.

I'm sorry, but empirical evidence disagrees with you. Whites have an advantage in nearly every aspect of society. Like I said earlier I'm not blaming you for this, in fact you should use every advantage you get. Hell, I'm as white as they come and I've been a beneficiary of it my whole life too. I don't feel guilty for taking advantages offered to me, but I'm aware of this position. You should be too.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Reminds me of my first wife. She was rejected for entrance into a particular Masters degree program, and the counsellor suggested she re-submit her app to reflect she is hispanic (mother is Portugese), so she did. She was accepted.

Many advantages to being white I guess, huh?

Yeap, there sure are. Are you honestly disputing white privilege?

I wouldnt go as far as calling it privelege, but in MANY situations it is easier if youre a minority. Like if you want to be a firefighter for example. Or get into college. But the fact is, in todays world (in the USA anyway) there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to NOT accomplish their dream. But if they fail, of course its because they are minority. So they cry. Im sorry but whitey isnt holding ANYONE down.

You don't think there's an inherent advantage in the fact that kids born into families with money to send them to college and live in areas with good schools are overwhelmingly white, while kids born into poor families are overwhelmingly black? Or the fact that crime and gangs and metal detectors in the school are mostly problems in areas where white people don't live? You're talking about the abstract idea of equality of opportunity, and I agree with you there, but ignoring the real world factors doesn't make sense. I grew up in a nice suburb with a decent amount of money, and I'm not going to pretend that I didn't have an easier time of it than some poor black kid who grew up in a ghetto.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
You don't think there's an inherent advantage in the fact that kids born into families with money to send them to college and live in areas with good schools are overwhelmingly white, while kids born into poor families are overwhelmingly black? Or the fact that crime and gangs and metal detectors in the school are mostly problems in areas where white people don't live? You're talking about the abstract idea of equality of opportunity, and I agree with you there, but ignoring the real world factors doesn't make sense. I grew up in a nice suburb with a decent amount of money, and I'm not going to pretend that I didn't have an easier time of it than some poor black kid who grew up in a ghetto.

That's just it, there are some people -- some of them right here in this thread -- who seem to enjoy the delusional notion that somehow racism has been wiped from the face of the earth, and that minorities still don't suffer under a system that favors whites and who encounter all sorts of obstacles to success as they grow up impoverished right here in America. While it would be awesome if this was the case, and while we've made tremendous strides in this country, it just isn't the case.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: charrison
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I would like to know what this white privilege is that you speak of. I dont recall anyone giving me a break just because of the color of my skin. And I would be insulted if they did.

It's not that obvious. You're not going to walk into the mall and get a free ice cream because it's "ice cream for white people" day. In fact, it's not about YOU personally at all...it's about the fact that white people tend to be born into better situations overall than black people. And that assumptions made about black people tend to be more negative than those made about white people. And that stereotyping in general happens rarely with white men, but much more often for minorities.
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Don't get me wrong, I think that she will make a fine cheif justice and most of her statements suggest that she will make judgments based on law not politics. That said, I am getting a bit irritated at the openly racist statement coming out of some folks lately. She states that her experience as a latino female would lead to wiser choices than that of a white male. Flip those demographics and every one would be on you like flies on dung.

Why is it acceptable to assert that as a white male, I am privileged and culturally biased. I have had no special advantages. I went to public school in a mixed race suburb. I worked my way through school. Neither, I or any of my ancestors ever owned a slave.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism.

Well first of all if you read her statement in context it is talking about the value of experience, not how whitey sucks.

Second of all, you most certainly have had special advantages for being white, you just haven't been aware of it. Study after study shows that there are explicit, institutional advantages for being white. They aren't your fault, but you should be aware of them.

Disagree with first sentence. Assuming that all white males have had less experience is prejudicial.

White men do have less experience than other people in certain situations. For instance, how many men, white or otherwise, have experience being a thirteen year-old girl? The SCOTUS recently heard oral arguments on a case about a thirteen-year-old girl who was strip-searched by her school because she was accused of possessing ibuprofen. The male Justices thought nothing of this, and compared it to stripping in the locker room of a gym class.

In Justice Ginsburg's words, "They have never been a 13-year-old girl," Ginsburg said. "It's a very sensitive age for a girl. I didn't think that my colleagues, some of them, quite understood."
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Rainsford

You don't think there's an inherent advantage in the fact that kids born into families with money to send them to college and live in areas with good schools are overwhelmingly white, while kids born into poor families are overwhelmingly black? Or the fact that crime and gangs and metal detectors in the school are mostly problems in areas where white people don't live? You're talking about the abstract idea of equality of opportunity, and I agree with you there, but ignoring the real world factors doesn't make sense. I grew up in a nice suburb with a decent amount of money, and I'm not going to pretend that I didn't have an easier time of it than some poor black kid who grew up in a ghetto.

You are now talking about socioeconomic differences, not the color of skin.
I am all for getting these kids out of bad schools, so this cycle of poverty can be broken, however the powers that be seem to be quite content to keep them in bad schools, rather than let their parents have a choice of where to get thier kids educated.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Rainsford
You don't think there's an inherent advantage in the fact that kids born into families with money to send them to college and live in areas with good schools are overwhelmingly white, while kids born into poor families are overwhelmingly black? Or the fact that crime and gangs and metal detectors in the school are mostly problems in areas where white people don't live? You're talking about the abstract idea of equality of opportunity, and I agree with you there, but ignoring the real world factors doesn't make sense. I grew up in a nice suburb with a decent amount of money, and I'm not going to pretend that I didn't have an easier time of it than some poor black kid who grew up in a ghetto.

That's just it, there are some people -- some of them right here in this thread -- who seem to enjoy the delusional notion that somehow racism has been wiped from the face of the earth, and that minorities still don't suffer under a system that favors whites and who encounter all sorts of obstacles to success as they grow up impoverished right here in America. While it would be awesome if this was the case, and while we've made tremendous strides in this country, it just isn't the case.

I think the real issue is that it's not "black people can't vote" or "don't hire the hispanic guy" type of racism, in fact it's often not racism at all. People looking for overt displays of racism won't find many, so they're wrongly conclude that racial problems have been resolved in this country. Except all you need to do is walk around a high school in the 'burbs and a high school in the middle of the city and see how wrong that idea is. Individuals may be less racist than they used to be, but that doesn't mean that there aren't huge social problems facing minorities that the majority simply doesn't have to deal with.
 

n yusef

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Did any of the white-privilege deniers read my post, where I linked to a study proving that having a white-sounding name made you 50% more likely to be called back than someone with a black-sounding name, with an identical resume?

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charrison

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: charrison
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I would like to know what this white privilege is that you speak of. I dont recall anyone giving me a break just because of the color of my skin. And I would be insulted if they did.

It's not that obvious. You're not going to walk into the mall and get a free ice cream because it's "ice cream for white people" day. In fact, it's not about YOU personally at all...it's about the fact that white people tend to be born into better situations overall than black people. And that assumptions made about black people tend to be more negative than those made about white people. And that stereotyping in general happens rarely with white men, but much more often for minorities.

And that has nothing to do with the color of skin.

Stereotyping never happens to white men? Ever heard of dumb rednecks?
 
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