IntelUser2000
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It helps that nVidia has probably at triple the number of software people.
The trick is getting the people to do it right. Numbers help, but only if they are organized and focused.
It helps that nVidia has probably at triple the number of software people.
I think their website makes it fairly clear.
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/
From the hardware Unboxed video, the most interesting thing to me was the 5700XT being just 9% slower on average than the RTX 2080. Just to remind you again, that was an $800 card last year. I imagine 2080 owners are not feeling too happy right now.Sorry for rubbing salt on your wounds 2080 owners but you had it coming.
A few posts prior:I think their website makes it fairly clear.
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/
sorry, my bad, confused techspot and techpowerup. It is indeed two different reviewers.
Yep, Techspot and Hardware Unboxed (not Steve @ GN).
LOL..buying a GPU somehow qualifies people for "had it coming"?
I doubt normal ppl regret owning a RTX card for close to a year now. I know I don't.
Tech moves on, it always does.
If one worries about depreciation, maybe this hobby aint the right one for one's broke ass.
Picked the same combo at newegg, nearest microcenter is 9hrs away, minus mobo, since I will be using a AORUS Elite B450 for now. It has been ages since I bought anything at launch either. I even made the justification about wearing cans too. I will be putting it in a Thor V2 that has a 230mm fan blowing directly on it, so I expect my temps will be improved over what has been reported thanks to the extra active cooling. I have used a blower style 1070 and RX470 in it with good results, so some fan curve tweaking, maybe undervolting? thrown in, should mitigate most the blow dryer effect as it has with past cards.Picked up a 5700XT, alongside a Ryzen 3600. I think it's the first time I've ever picked up any hardware on launch day, and it's at a point in my life where I probably care far less than I used to. But I've been meaning to upgrade from my ivy bridge/RX480 4GB setup, and Microcenter's Ryzen 3000/Mobo/Navi combo deal was too good to pass up, especially at a time where DDR4 RAM prices are finally falling to reasonable levels. $100 off the combo sucked me in.
Not super thrilled about the blower, but with headphones I suspect I'll be alright. Hopefully AMD gets its shit together to iron over all the release issues for both Ryzen AND Navi.
From the hardware Unboxed video, the most interesting thing to me was the 5700XT being just 9% slower on average than the RTX 2080. Just to remind you again, that was an $800 card last year. I imagine 2080 owners are not feeling too happy right now.Sorry for rubbing salt on your wounds 2080 owners but you had it coming.
I weighed the opportunity cost, and I will get a hundred hours or more of use in before the new cards are probably available. I can always eat $50-$75 at that point, and buy the better models. Heck, we spend that on dinner out. Everyone is a Ferengi about hardware prices, but will not blink to spend that money on dinner and a movie. I get far more entertainment from the hardware personally. It is all perspective, and that is mine right now.
The 2080 Super needs to actually be good and/or cheap.
This x 1000! Our hobby, compared to things like cars or drones is super cheap! You spend a few hundred and are locked in (hardware wise) for a few years. Its incredible people agonize over $300 vs 350 when most will putting hundreds or even thousands of hours of their time into it. And like you said, people will go out for drinks or dinner and spend $100 easily, yet turn around and spend hours researching if RAM that is $20 more expensive is worth it.Picked the same combo at newegg, nearest microcenter is 9hrs away, minus mobo, since I will be using a AORUS Elite B450 for now. It has been ages since I bought anything at launch either. I even made the justification about wearing cans too. I will be putting it in a Thor V2 that has a 230mm fan blowing directly on it, so I expect my temps will be improved over what has been reported thanks to the extra active cooling. I have used a blower style 1070 and RX470 in it with good results, so some fan curve tweaking, maybe undervolting? thrown in, should mitigate most the blow dryer effect as it has with past cards.
I weighed the opportunity cost, and I will get a hundred hours or more of use in before the new cards are probably available. I can always eat $50-$75 at that point, and buy the better models. Heck, we spend that on dinner out. Everyone is a Ferengi about hardware prices, but will not blink to spend that money on dinner and a movie. I get far more entertainment from the hardware personally. It is all perspective, and that is mine right now.
And like you said, people will go out for drinks or dinner and spend $100 easily, yet turn around and spend hours researching if RAM that is $20 more expensive is worth it.
This x 1000! Our hobby, compared to things like cars or drones is super cheap! You spend a few hundred and are locked in (hardware wise) for a few years. Its incredible people agonize over $300 vs 350 when most will putting hundreds or even thousands of hours of their time into it.
From the hardware Unboxed video, the most interesting thing to me was the 5700XT being just 9% slower on average than the RTX 2080. Just to remind you again, that was an $800 card last year. I imagine 2080 owners are not feeling too happy right now.Sorry for rubbing salt on your wounds 2080 owners but you had it coming.
The 2080 Super needs to actually be good and/or cheap. Wonder if it'll be too good/cheap for the Radeon VII to compete with. Heck, I wonder if the Radeon VII can even compete with the 5700XT. Compared to that the Radeon VII should be $550-600.
Maybe you got that wrong. We go for drinks and dinner every week and spend $100 on it, therefore we have to save money on computer parts.
Point taken. And for myself, I have to contend with the wife acceptance factor too. I would have bought a 1080ti when they came out and called it good for years, but then the Mrs. would be able to return fire so to speak, and I am not letting that genie out of the bottle. My others interests cannibalize upgrade funds as well. First world problems....Its not only about that, sometimes it about if you can currently afford the next level up or not as well. I could certainly afford either Navi next month after i pay my bills as it stands. If i i sold off a spare motherboard i got and a power supply i could afford a 2070 Super. If i put my spare cash from August into savings then anything from a 2080 Super downwards will be in my budget in September and i wouldn't even have to sell off my spare parts. Not that i need the spare stuff its going to sit among the hundreds of cords, 775 mobo+ C2D and other odd and end parts. I rather it gone then sit.
Will see how 2080 Super performs, i haven't considered anything over $500 since i purchased the $650 GTX280 in 2008. Luckily i got $150 back on that deal. Someone got fired over there at Frys in Oxnard, Ca for sure. I had the GTX280 in my system a week before reviews even debuted. I went there to buy a 8800 Ultra which was still $700?
I think it was Paul's Hardware that showed similar results. I am very interested to know what it is about that game that results in that kind of performance boost.Forza Horizon 4 is crazy...
https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/testissa-amd-radeon-rx-5700-5700-xt-navi/
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I haven't seen one yet. The most relevant search result is me asking the same questionjust wondering, anyone has seen an aida64 benchmark on RX 5700 XT?
Point taken. And for myself, I have to contend with the wife acceptance factor too. I would have bought a 1080ti when they came out and called it good for years, but then the Mrs. would be able to return fire so to speak, and I am not letting that genie out of the bottle.
I wanted to check if amd had finally improved the 32 bit integer performanceI haven't seen one yet. The most relevant search result is me asking the same question
I think it was Paul's Hardware that showed similar results. I am very interested to know what it is about that game that results in that kind of performance boost.
That's because Ace Combat 7 is an Unreal Engine 4 title. AMD optimization for UE4 has historically been piss poor, unless the game utilizing it is something popular like Fortnite or PUBG. NVIDIA slaughters AMD when it comes to indie titles using UE4, in shooters like Squad/Insurgency Sandstorm or survival games.Probably just a title that's heavily optimized for AMD hardware, which makes a certain amount of sense given it's an Xbox game. But for every game like that which runs really well on AMD hardware, there's one like Ace Combat 7 that runs awful:
There even the Radeon VII (not that it's a great card in general, but point still stands) runs worse than a 2060. That's just how it goes with some titles.