Radeon 5850 vs 6870

stipalgl

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Hey guys,

Got a little decision to make, nothing big. I've just been offered an upgrade from my GTX 260 to either a 5850 for $100 or a 6870 for $120. I looked at benchmarks which seem to indicate marginal superior performance from the 6870 but overall, the results seem to be inconsistent and I don't know if it's due to older drivers or what.

So the question is, for those of you having owned these cards, given the price points they're being offered at, what would you go for?

Thanks for the help.
 

RussianSensation

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HD6870 is about 8% faster on average. Idle and load power consumption are similar (idle slightly favors the 6870). UVD processor is improved in the 6870. 6870 also has improved texture filtering (in very few older games) over 5800 series. However, if you can get a 5850 that's reference design (i.e., can adjust voltages), it can overclock better than the 6870. It's really a toss up. Both are good cards. $20 for 8%. Up to you.
 
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They both tend to reach around 1ghz with a vcore bump and end up with similar performance.

If the 5850 you can get are models without vcore modding, don't bother with it.
 

nenforcer

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I believe I have read that the 68XX series offers better Crossfire scaling then previous generations if you ever plan to do this.
 

RavenSEAL

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Not to mention the H5xxx has pretty much stopped getting significant improvements for the most part.
 

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They both tend to reach around 1ghz with a vcore bump and end up with similar performance.

If the 5850 you can get are models without vcore modding, don't bother with it.

Actually, the 5850 and 6870 at equal clocks are not equal. The greater number of stream processors on the 5850 allows it to get ahead. Remember that the 5850 comes clocked at 725, the 6870 is at 900, but is only 8% ahead overall. At stock voltage, the 5850 can usually get to at least 825, the 6870, maybe 980: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...p-diamond-powercolor-msi-sapphire-xfx-19.html

Once overvolted, the 5850 will dominate, as it can easily get to 950 (a 225MHz OC), whereas all a 6870 can do is 1000-1020 (see article above, where some cards were overvolted). Fundamentally, the 5850 is a more complex and expensive design, i.e., a higher-end card. An overclocked 5850 will beat a 5870, whereas I don't believe the 6870 can do that.

All that being said, unless someone is into overclocking and willing to experiment, the 6870's better tessellation performance, crossfire scaling, and efficiency puts it ahead, even at $20 more.
 
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nanaki333

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termie is correct. amd changed their naming scheme, so the 68xx is not in the same class as the 58xx. they probably confused a lot of people at first to upgrade a single 5870 to a single 6870. i almost did until i actually read reviews.

clock for clock the 58xx is going to be faster. xfire scaling is better as previously mentioned though.
 

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depends on the 5850's cooler and ability to overvolt The reference 5850s had digital VRMs that allowed overvolting, however the reference cooler was also pretty poor at cooling the GPU without getting ridiculously loud, especially when overvolted and overclocked

if its a 5850 with aftermarket cooling it might be better off for cooling, but the overall design might be different and not allow overvolting, which takes away its max potential

so all in all its hard to find a perfect 5850 that is worthwhile to mess with without any extra work on your part and thus would be better to go with 6870.

without knowing what brand/model 5850 you'd be getting I'd have to recommend the 6870 even @ $20 more as the overall safer/smarter pick
 

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depends on the 5850's cooler and ability to overvolt The reference 5850s had digital VRMs that allowed overvolting, however the reference cooler was also pretty poor at cooling the GPU without getting ridiculously loud, especially when overvolted and overclocked

if its a 5850 with aftermarket cooling it might be better off for cooling, but the overall design might be different and not allow overvolting, which takes away its max potential

so all in all its hard to find a perfect 5850 that is worthwhile to mess with without any extra work on your part and thus would be better to go with 6870.

without knowing what brand/model 5850 you'd be getting I'd have to recommend the 6870 even @ $20 more as the overall safer/smarter pick

The 5850 does not need much voltage for great overclocks. Mine is one of the worst samples but does 880Mhz @ stock volts and 950Mhz @ 1.175V which is 6870's stock voltage and it does not get loud at all. Only when pushing for 1ghz I need to increase the fan manually. Its almost a year ago when I had both cards. RE5 benchmark is quite a bit faster on the 5850 at 950Mhz compared to 6870 at 1000Mhz.

Both are good cards. 5850 is stronger for shader intensive games like BF3, the 6870 will fare better for tessellation intensive games like Crysis 2.
 
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nanaki333

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Previously mentioned was that xfire is better on the 6xxx series. Either I'm confused or you are confused over your statement.

i probably didn't word that as well as i should. i was referring to 6000 series having better scaling as people have mentioned.
 

bunnyfubbles

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The 5850 does not need much voltage for great overclocks. Mine is one of the worst samples but does 880Mhz @ stock volts and 950Mhz @ 1.175V which is 6870's stock voltage and it does not get loud at all. Only when pushing for 1ghz I need to increase the fan manually. Its almost a year ago when I had both cards. RE5 benchmark is quite a bit faster on the 5850 at 950Mhz compared to 6870 at 1000Mhz.

Both are good cards. 5850 is stronger for shader intensive games like BF3, the 6870 will fare better for tessellation intensive games like Crysis 2.

how much voltage you need is entirely luck of the draw, one person may hit 5870 clocks with stock voltage, another person might need more voltage just to hit 750. And again, whether or not you even can overvolt depends on brand and model.

Also, if you have a reference 5850 with the reference cooler still on it, then you are straight up lying about it not getting noisy, or else you live over a club or something and/or use UltraKazes or Deltas to cool your other components.

if you have a rare aftermarket 5850 with cooler that actually allows for reasonable decibels and temps under load, and the model still allows you to overvolt, then you are lucky. I had to mod my reference 5850 to get proper cooling and noise under control. Granted, once I did so I could easily break 1GHz.

Also, are you sure about BF3? the only head to head comparison I can find shows the 6870 with a very slight lead at all resolutions, again, after overclocking I'm sure the 5850 would pull a lead, but I doubt it would be by anything earth shattering, and again we run into the issue of whether or not substantial overclocking is possible, so without knowing that we can only say they're even at best, if no a slight advantage in favor of the 6870.

Also, RE5 should be easily maxed with far more than 60fps average by either GPU as long as the CPU isn't holding things back (of which either GPU would feel identical then), and I doubt the 5850 is substantially faster, last I saw (RE5 isn't exactly used much anymore for GPU stress testing for obvious reasons) the 6870 could actually keep pretty close to the 6950 or 5870 (ie within 10% while maintaining an average framerate over 120 @ 1080p).

Don't get me wrong, I still have and love my 5850 for being my first and still only GPU to break 1GHz, and the fact that its 2+ years old and still relevant is also extremely awesome. However I had to do more work than what would worth it to be comfortable overvolting and overclocking it under these current circumstances. Back then I spent only a small fraction of the MSRP on an Accelero S1 and 120mm fan, today that same mod would run nearly half the cost of this upgrade scenario.

If the OP's option includes a brand/model 5850 that would be conducive to heavy overclocking with overvolting, and he'd be willing to do so, then my recommendation would likely swing in favor of the 5850. However we also have to keep in mind that power consumption and temps are only similar when both cards are at stock, once we start to crank them up the 5850 will quickly outpace the 6870 in that regard.
 
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I have reference 5850s, HIStech.

Noisy? Only if the fan speed is above 40%.

Under load at default, fan speed rarely goes above 33%. In fact, after i cleaned it out and added new thermal compound, im running 950/1200 with 35% fan speed and temps in BF3 don't get above 70C.

 
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Zanovar

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Wow,thats a damn lot cooler than my 5850 at 950 1.15v thats for sure.out of interest what thermal compound did you use?
 

AtenRa

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I had an ASUS reference 5850 (voltage tweak) running at 900MHz and noise was very low.

At same clocks 5850 should be faster. Tessellation performance advantage of the 6870 will be minimal, they both have a single Tess unit.
 

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I have reference 5850s, HIStech.

Noisy? Only if the fan speed is above 40%.

Under load at default, fan speed rarely goes above 33%. In fact, after i cleaned it out and added new thermal compound, im running 950/1200 with 35% fan speed and temps in BF3 don't get above 70C.


Wow,thats a damn lot cooler than my 5850 at 950 1.15v thats for sure.out of interest what thermal compound did you use?

OCZ Freeze. 1.174V @ 950, 1.2V @ 1ghz.

Wow, those temps are low! That OCZ stuff must really work. When I was running a single reference HD5850 at 950 (1.162v), I was at 40-42% fan and about 71C. But I do have to call you out on one thing...it looks like you have vsync on, so your card isn't at 100% usage. Still, pretty impressive for the voltage running through that card.

Just goes to show that tweaking (including some hands-on work) actually has tangible benefits. Again, it depends if the OP can get his hands on a reference card and wants to do this kind of thing.
 

Blitzvogel

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How fast have you guys pushed the 5850? Mine failed at 1 GHz/1150 MHz @ 1.2v. Attempting now with 1.25v

Edit: 1.25v did the job :awe:

I then tried an all out 1.09 GHz/1300 MHz assault at 1.3v. No dice. Maybe at 1.35v? :whiste:

Whatever, I'm pretty impressed with the OC headroom. This first foray of mine messing with voltages has been fun and interesting too, as I've always just stuck to purely clock OCing. I just wish I had been doing this sooner, but perhaps my 5850 would still not be around....
 
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Zanovar

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How fast have you guys pushed the 5850? Mine failed at 1 GHz/1150 MHz @ 1.2v. Attempting now with 1.25v

Edit: 1.25v did the job :awe:

I then tried an all out 1.09 GHz/1300 MHz assault at 1.3v. No dice. Maybe at 1.35v? :whiste:

Whatever, I'm pretty impressed with the OC headroom. This first foray of mine messing with voltages has been fun and interesting too, as I've always just stuck to purely clock OCing. I just wish I had been doing this sooner, but perhaps my 5850 would still not be around....
Hi mine did 1050/1250 when pushing to see how far it would go,if i can remember rightly this was at max volts or very close to it.need very good aftermarket cooling for those clocks and volts though as temps were insane.settled for 950/1250 at 1.150v, and made sure it was stable before editing the cards bios and adding those clocks with RBE.i almost pulled the trigger on the ProlimaTech MK-13 to keep the 1050/1250 clocks many moons ago,im sorry i didnt now tbh.
 
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Wow, those temps are low! That OCZ stuff must really work. When I was running a single reference HD5850 at 950 (1.162v), I was at 40-42% fan and about 71C. But I do have to call you out on one thing...it looks like you have vsync on, so your card isn't at 100% usage. Still, pretty impressive for the voltage running through that card.

Just goes to show that tweaking (including some hands-on work) actually has tangible benefits. Again, it depends if the OP can get his hands on a reference card and wants to do this kind of thing.

Yeah i run with vsync cos i can't stand screen tearing. The card is maxed out constantly at >90% gpu usage. 1080p on HIGH, this card impressed me since the day i got it, and it still has legs to run in new games.

After i added the OCZ Freeze i noticed immediately that the exhaust air in the rear was hotter (really hot) faster. I guess the default crap they put on it conducts heat poorly so the GPU heats up faster rather than the heatsink.
 
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Blitzvogel

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Hi mine did 1050/1250 when pushing to see how far it would go,if i can remember rightly this was at max volts or very close to it.need very good aftermarket cooling for those clocks and volts though as temps were insane.settled for 950/1250 at 1.150v, and made sure it was stable before editing the cards bios and adding those clocks with RBE.i almost pulled the trigger on the ProlimaTech MK-13 to keep the 1050/1250 clocks many moons ago,im sorry i didnt now tbh.

If I'm willing to turn on the vacuum cleaner loud fan, the temps stay quite low. I think just my combos of voltage and clocks are just not the best for my card, especially as mine was an initial batch I'm sure. I did get it in December 2009.
 
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