Discussion Radeon 6500XT and 6400

[GodisanAtheist]

Just getting a thread up for this. Navi 24 will ride... Q1 2022... ish.

AMD Readies Radeon RX 6500 XT and RX 6400 Graphics Cards

AMD is preparing to wrap up its Radeon RX 6000 series desktop discrete graphics card family with two new SKUs, the RX 6500 XT and the RX 6400. The two debut the company's smallest piece of silicon based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture, codenamed "Navi 24," to the desktop space. The RX 6500 XT...

www.techpowerup.com

I fugure the 6500XT lands ~5500XT territory for ~$200.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You guys go start your own thread if you are going to discuss unrelated cards not even in the same price bracket. This is not speaking as a mod since I posted in this thread. So take it as such.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Also as I have already pointed out, a lot of those RTX3070 on Steam are used for both Gaming and Mining so those users dont care about increased prices that much.

There is no evidence how many Steam cards are also used for part time mining. Your guesses aren't evidence.

The reality is that on the biggest gaming HW survey, the 3070 has passed 1080/1080Ti enthusiast cards that were universally beloved and available, with a 2.5 Year long generation before Turing shipped. Everything says these cards should still dominate if Ampere was in short supply.

So it really counters the big shortage argument.

It's just that everything is going through scalpers, and or a greedy retail chain that is doing their own scalping.

Check stock at Newegg right now. Pretty much every Ampere card has 100+ listings, so not a shortage.

Just all the cards are already at Scalper prices.

Scalping is big business now. They can quickly absorb any stock dumps and turn around and trickle them out at huge markups.

No one is interested in stopping it. Because everyone from AMD/NVidia, to OEMs, to Distributors, and Retailers are all taking a bit of extra markup along the chain, and the scalpers will buy all the cards without delay. Everyone in the chain is getting fat on gamer misery.

 

[Leeea]

I do not think this was already posted:

AMD Confirms RX 6500 XT GPU Was Designed for Ryzen 6000 Laptops

"You're holding it wrong." —Steve Jobs

www.tomshardware.com

makes sense, in a new laptop PCIe 4 can be assured.

 

[maddie]

I'm now seeing Amazon has a RX 550 4GB for $212, limited time deal. Deal?

This RX 6500 sure is "the worst".

 

[Heartbreaker]

I'm now seeing Amazon has a RX 550 4GB for $212, limited time deal. Deal?

This RX 6500 sure is "the worst".

Generally people are calling it the worst release, which it is, even if you can find lots of terrible deals for old cards selling at multiples of MSRP.

So an ultra low end $80 card from 2017, being sold almost 5 years later, for over double the MSRP still doesn't make the 6500XT a good card.

What's funny is that even that ultra low end $80 card from 2017 has more than 4 PCIe lanes and has H264/H265 Video encoder HW.

5 years ago, AMD wouldn't have crippled even an $80 card in so many ways as they crippled the 6500XT.

 

[Shivansps]

I'm now seeing Amazon has a RX 550 4GB for $212, limited time deal. Deal?

This RX 6500 sure is "the worst".

Well, the RX550 at least supports 3 monitors and has the encoder block...

In all seriousness, the overprice on a out of production, 5 year old GPU hardly matters here.

 

[Mopetar]

I'm now seeing Amazon has a RX 550 4GB for $212, limited time deal. Deal?

This RX 6500 sure is "the worst".

Frankly I'm glad that I went with the M1 Max when I got the new MacBook Pro a few months back. With the GPU market the way it is, the Apple tax is becoming one of the cheaper options.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Frankly I'm glad that I went with the M1 Max when I got the new MacBook Pro a few months back. With the GPU market the way it is, the Apple tax is becoming one of the cheaper options.

Yeah. I was planning to build a new PC (Bought case and PSU first), but put it on hold indefinitely now and I'm considering an M1 Mac Mini, perhaps with M1 Pro chip when that arrives. Pretty sure GPUs will still be scalped then Mini upgrade arrives.

 

[maddie]

Generally people are calling it the worst release, which it is, even if you can find lots of terrible deals for old cards selling at multiples of MSRP.

So an ultra low end $80 card from 2017, being sold almost 5 years later, for over double the MSRP still doesn't make the 6500XT a good card.

What's funny is that even that ultra low end $80 card from 2017 has more than 4 PCIe lanes and has H264/H265 Video encoder HW.

5 years ago, AMD wouldn't have crippled even an $80 card in so many ways as they crippled the 6500XT.

Well, the RX550 at least supports 3 monitors and has the encoder block...

In all seriousness, the overprice on a out of production, 5 year old GPU hardly matters here.

Real question.

If I'm buying new and want the lowest cost card adequate for low end gaming, what do you both suggest that's both cheaper and better than the 6500XT?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Real question.

If I'm buying new and want the lowest cost card adequate for low end gaming, what do you both suggest that's both cheaper and better than the 6500XT?

I suggest you keep looking/waiting.

I wouldn't buy this insulting piece of garbage under any circumstance.

People should really stop defending corporate greed when it runs amok.

 

[maddie]

I suggest you keep looking/waiting.

I wouldn't buy this insulting piece of garbage under any circumstance.

People should really stop defending corporate greed when it runs amok.

Your 1st line tells me that you have no answer to the specific question.

The rest is your opinion. Fair enough, but saying do not build now isn't really an answer. A friend wants a low cost solution and I'm trying to balance it out.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Your 1st line tells me that you have no answer to the specific question.

The rest is your opinion. Fair enough, but saying do not build now isn't really an answer. A friend wants a low cost solution and I'm trying to balance it out.

It is for me. You can see in a few posts back. I put my build on hold indefinitely. I have a PSU and Case sitting in their boxes for many months.

If one of my friends, asked. I would say don't build now. Buy a Console, Buy a Mac, or maybe Buy Laptop, but don't build a PC now, unless an IGP/APU is all you want.

 

[maddie]

It is for me. You can see in a few posts back. I put my build on hold indefinitely. I have a PSU and Case sitting in their boxes for many months.

If one of my friends, asked. I would say don't build now. Buy a Console, Buy a Mac, or maybe Buy Laptop, but don't build a PC now, unless an IGP/APU is all you want.

Then why, as so many here do, take for granted that what they want or think in these sort of matters are to applied to everyone. We are all individuals and have different wants and needs. Posters on this thread should keep that in mind.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Then why, as so many here do, take for granted that what they want or think in these sort of matters are to applied to everyone. We are all individuals and have different wants and needs. Posters on this thread should keep that in mind.

I don't think everyone is the same. Because obviously many gamers are willing to pay 2 or 3 times reasonable MSRP for GPUs.

You are free to argue in favor of paying outrageous prices driven by manufacturer greed, and I am free to argue against it.

 

[maddie]

I don't think everyone is the same. Because obviously many gamers are willing to pay 2 or 3 times reasonable MSRP for GPUs.

You are free to argue in favor of paying outrageous prices driven by manufacturer greed, and I am free to argue against it.

Quite true.

I do wonder however, as to how many here have ever experienced high inflation as a normal part of life. This is also a factor besides the obvious scalping/profit grab going on. One thing about inflation. In nearly all cases, nominal prices reach a new higher level that becomes accepted over time. Anyone who keeps expecting prices to return to "normal" will be a disappointed person in a few years.

 

[AtenRa]

Real question.

If I'm buying new and want the lowest cost card adequate for low end gaming, what do you both suggest that's both cheaper and better than the 6500XT?

Newegg now has three RX 6500XT cards available at $270
Cheapest RTX1650 at $310

I would choose the GTX1650 for the full PCIe and encoders, I believe it will be much better for gaming with a three monitor setup

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Anyone who keeps expecting prices to return to "normal" will be a disappointed person in a few years.

...and now people have shown they're willing to pay, prices will not go down.

All things considered, hardware prices are still pretty cheap. Historically, hardware has been a lot more expensive. An early Pentium 60 (MHz) system would set you back somewhere around $4000. In 1994 dollars, so that's somewhere around $7500 today.

 

[Shivansps]

If I'm buying new and want the lowest cost card adequate for low end gaming, what do you both suggest that's both cheaper and better than the 6500XT?

I would suggest to wait, this is not the moment to buy, specially with a 3rd party entering the market this year and the crypto price crashing hard that should reduce pressure on new hardware stock. The only reason to buy this ridiculously overpriced card is that other gpus are even more ridiculously overpriced than it. And that is not a good reason to buy, specially if you want prices to return to normal some day.

 

[AtenRa]

I would suggest to wait, this is not the moment to buy, specially with a 3rd party entering the market this year and the crypto price crashing hard that should reduce pressure on new hardware stock. The only reason to buy this ridiculously overpriced card is that other gpus are even more ridiculously overpriced than it. And that is not a good reason to buy, specially if you want prices to return to normal some day.

That would be ok if he would ask if it was a good time to build a entry-level gaming PC , but thats not the question he asked.

Customer : Hello, I would like to build a new entry level PC , which GPU would you suggest to buy at the 300 budget ??

You : None, wait until prices fall.

Me : Although current prices are way to high the best performance GPU at the $300 budget is the 6500XT. You may want to wait a few days for the RTX3050 to be released and check prices and availability and then decide which GPU to get.

 

[eek2121]

I do not think this was already posted:

AMD Confirms RX 6500 XT GPU Was Designed for Ryzen 6000 Laptops

"You're holding it wrong." —Steve Jobs

www.tomshardware.com

makes sense, in a new laptop PCIe 4 can be assured.

I thought this was already known. The desktop variants are likely just rejects. Chips that didn't make the cut for perf/watt. That also explains why power consumption is through the roof.

On a side note, it looks like GPU availability has improved drastically here in the US in the past couple of weeks. Yes, the prices are still high, but you can buy from Amazon and NewEgg instead of scalpers. I can get a 6900XT for $1,400, which, while higher than MSRP, is actually well below the prices scalpers were charging (and around the MSRP of an RTX 3090, which is acceptable in my eyes). The 6500 XT is available for $239-$269.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Quite true.

I do wonder however, as to how many here have ever experienced high inflation as a normal part of life. This is also a factor besides the obvious scalping/profit grab going on. One thing about inflation. In nearly all cases, nominal prices reach a new higher level that becomes accepted over time. Anyone who keeps expecting prices to return to "normal" will be a disappointed person in a few years.

This is not inflation though, this is scalping and profiteering.

GPU production faces the same actual cost of inputs as other electronics, yet other electronics are selling for typically only 0 - 10% higher prices. 100%-300% higher GPU prices is just taking advantage of "desperate" customers.

Though I agree, that since everyone is in on the profiteering now, prices will be very slow to fall, even if mining disappeared as an excuse.

 

[coercitiv]

Me : Although current prices are way to high the best performance GPU at the $300 budget is the 6500XT. You may want to wait a few days for the RTX3050 to be released and check prices and availability and then decide which GPU to get.

So in other words you're still telling people to wait.

 

[maddie]

This is not inflation though, this is scalping and profiteering.

GPU production faces the same actual cost of inputs as other electronics, yet other electronics are selling for typically only 0 - 10% higher prices. 100%-300% higher GPU prices is just taking advantage of "desperate" customers.

Though I agree, that since everyone is in on the profiteering now, prices will be very slow to fall, even if mining disappeared as an excuse.

Both are happening, with inflation being permanent for only a few years (hopefully) and scalping a contrived and ultimately correctable problem. Inflation is an exponential function. A few years at even 10% is a lot. There is, at present, no political will to fight inflation anywhere, as the result will be a huge recession/depression.

My prediction (and others) is just wait and see prices continue to rise on average. Snapshots in time do not tell the whole story. As I wrote, many have no experience with persistent inflation. They will learn.

For the 6500XT, Newegg has some selling at the lowest % of increase on MSRP of all cards. Will wait to see the RTX 3050 situation as it's only a few days away.

 

[Heartbreaker]

For the 6500XT, Newegg has some selling at the lowest % of increase on MSRP of all cards. Will wait to see the RTX 3050 situation as it's only a few days away.

That's not laudable though, it's because it's the most overpriced by the manufacturer to start with. MSRP is about double what it should be. This is at best a $100 card, overpriced by AMD to $200 MSRP, and $280 to $300+ by some OEMs. So in essence it already has 2X to 3X scalping built in by AMD and OEMs.

Add to that, this is a deeply flawed card, that isn't very desirable to start with, so very little room left for addition profiteering/scalping. This isn't something to cheer about.

RTX 3050 OTOH looks like a significantly better/less crippled card in every way. More base performance, more VRAM, full PCIe bus, Full Media Encoders and Decoders, full display output panel. IOW better in every way and not crippled at all. So of course demand is going to be much higher and thus there will be room for additional profiteering/scalping.

 

[coercitiv]

For the 6500XT, Newegg has some selling at the lowest % of increase on MSRP of all cards.

I reiterate my observation, with the risk of upseting people whos' opinion I value on this forum: AMD PR managed to gaslight quite the number of smart people.