Radeon 9000 overclocking

[The_Lurker]

Hey, we're kinda stumped over at Rage3d, so we're wondering if anybody here got overclocking to work on their Radeon 9000 (non-pro). Thx for any help.

 

[13bells]

I;ve been following your post at Rage3d, cause I'm in the same boat.

Can't overclock my 9000 pci, or only briefly, then it resets to stock speed. Solutions anyone??

cheers

 

[rogue1979]

Go into the registry and change the values manually and they will stay overclocked.

 

[Mloot]

When you refer to the registry, are you referring the the tool in Rage3Dtweak that lets you set the clock and memory speeds?

 

[Jonestown]

Bump

 

[AnMig]

I thought I was the only guy buying this card

I have two of these cards both are from newegg saphire 9000 oem (non pro) one has dvi+vga one just vga.

I am using the rage3dtweak version 3.6. The game overclocking appears to stay at the overclocked setting but the system does not stay overclocked. It restores to default after I try to run 3dmark 2000se (250/200mem)

The max I can set the memory is 240 is this normal, and not that it matters 3dmark hangs when I set the mem at 240. no fan on heatsinks though.

lMy 3dmark scores remain the same so I doubt if the overclocked game setting even kicks in although it does make that funny sound when entering 3dmark (deep voice sound)

let me know if they found a way to overclock this card

 

[rogue1979]

In Win98SE it is at Hkey_Local_Machine, Software, Game Utility. There will be three values for clock speeds. Change all of them to the desired speeds. Also go into the overclocking tab and change the reset speeds to you overclocked speed.

 

[13bells]

Mloot, we have the same card, Powercolor PCI. Do you have the same registry settings for these keys. Might be interesting to make sense of some of these settings. You will have different identifier here ( 6D4B653.....).

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Video\{6D4B6538-BD60-470B-AF0B-7FB687F1573F}\0000\ATI WDM Configurations\Frequency Table

Reference Clock 37 30 33 35 00
Virtual Reference Clock 31 2e 00 00

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Video\{6D4B6538-BD60-470B-AF0B-7FB687F1573F}\0000

DALRULE_REGISTRYACCESS 0

Overclocking works for a very limited time, so changing additional registry settings may stop the polling that occurs and resets the card back to the original configuration.

Any suggestions?

 

[The_Lurker]

Ah... i'm not the only one here in Anandtech!! lol... but it's very perplexing. All you people might want to check this thread out : Click Here. It's 212 posts long and has down basically every single possible thing we've tried. What we've come down to is the Bios and the Drivers. We modded the bios (by extracting, using Radedit then reflashing) and found that it would not load the drivers properly (although it recognizes the card and installs the drivers). With other programs, what it does is the drivers just reload the default clocks and continues on with it so nothing stays oc'ed! Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Mloot]

13bells, you're speaking Greek to me. I have no idea what a registry IS, much less all the other stuff you posted. I'm afraid I won't be any help on this one.

 

[rogue1979]

I forgot to mention those registry values are for Rage3DTweak overclocker. Here it is again:

H_KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
Software
Game Util
ATI Radeon Overclocker - open this folder and change the Default, CurrentSettings and FactorySettings to the desired speeds.

While the ATI Control Panel may or may not show the overclocked speed, I have tested it in games and it definately shows overclocked framerates. You can change the reset speeds to the desired speeds also. I am using Win98SE, Rage3DTweak 3.6, and Catalyst 2.3. I have three Saphire Radeon 9000's running at 285/240.

 

[Mloot]

Ok, I'm a noob, so bear with me. How do you find the registry and what exactly is it?

 

[rogue1979]

Click on your sart button, go to run and type regedit. Warning, don't change anything in there you are not sure about, or you will be reformatting.

 

[The_Lurker]

Hmm... doesn't work for me.. it stays in the registry, however my 3dmarks are the same (around 6000)

 

[13bells]

 

[13bells]

Rogue 1979, tried what you suggested. No difference noticed in fillrate test on 3D Mark, regardless of the settings.

Any suggestions?

cheers

 

[rogue1979]

Before I changed the registry settings, my sliders in the overclocking tab would default. I suspected that the card was really overclocked anyway. Maybe you can change the speeds down to stock and then run 3DMark. Then overclock again, let the sliders set themselves back down and run 3Dmark again to see what happens.

 

[Skibby9]

Hey-- I have a friend who has the 9000 non-pro, with a heatsink but no fan, and he says his GPU is kinda hot, and was wondering if any of you have any suggestions for an aftermarket add-on fan, or replacement HSF. And if so, how about any tips on removing the OEM heatsink?

OFF-TOPIC Does anyone know of a watercooling rig designed for the 9700 Pro? Thanks in advance!

 

[The_Lurker]

Originally posted by: Skibby9
Hey-- I have a friend who has the 9000 non-pro, with a heatsink but no fan, and he says his GPU is kinda hot, and was wondering if any of you have any suggestions for an aftermarket add-on fan, or replacement HSF. And if so, how about any tips on removing the OEM heatsink?

Well to remove the heatsink, just take a business card, plus it between the heatsink and the PCB. Then take a flat head screw driver and stick it between there, then twist. It popped right off for me. The goop on the heatsink and on the GPU is kinda hard to take out, but if you take a little isopropyl (i used 50% by volume, so not very strong) and start rubbing away, it will eventually all come off. Then i took a Intel Pentium 3 Cumine S370 heatsink, put some goop in the center with superglue at the corners. Then you slap and put some weight on it. Then you just wait and the superglue will hold the heatsink on. Now wasn't that painless?

 

[AnMig]

rogue1979

I aslo tried the registry trick you suggested no change in 3dmark score.

This has got to be the hardest card to overclock, even the guys at rage3d are stumped. I hope ATI does not do the same anti overclocking
trick on ther other cards.


Let me know if you guys figured out how to overclock this sucker, its not a matter of needing the extra fps its the principle.

 

[The_Lurker]

If they do this to all their new low end cards.. o no!!!! You get what you pay for No longer can i leach off the bottom rung and make it fast! DOH!

 

[rogue1979]

Maybe it is a chipset problem. I have tested it on two AMD 761 chipsets and it definately overclocks, no doubt about it. I was using the first one I bought myself, and my 3DMark score went from 5800 to 7800 using an Abit KG7 with the 761 chipset. My son is now using that same Saphire 9000 on his KG7 and enjoys the same performance boost. We are the big gamers in the family, but after closer examination the Radeon 9000's used on my wife's and daughter's systems may not be overclocking. The both use Intel cpu's with Via chipsets. Maybe it is a Via / ATI thing for the 9000, I will do some testing and report back. But I am definately sure that the 761 chipset is allowing overclocking.

 

[AnMig]

rogue1979


I have been working on my wifes system GA-7DXR (AMD 761 chipset) and it does not appear to overclock at all using rage3dtweak and the actual regedit trick.
I tried using powerstrip it it just locks up the system with just a 2-3% increase in mem settings.

are you using the regedit trick or the rage3dtweak ?

My other system soyo dragon plus I have not tried to overclock yet but will try in the next few days or so.

The system on the GA-7DXR (761 chipset) is only on a duron 750 overclocked to 900mhz. I am not sure if I am cpu limited anyway. But I score consistently 4900 to 5000 in 3dmark 2001 se. regardless of what I do with rage3d tweak or the actual resetting in regedit.

I am too lazy to put my 1800xp into the GA-7DXR to see if it is the cpu holding me back because the case is crappy and I have to remove the PSU to install the heatsink

peace.

 

[rogue1979]

I was getting 5800 at stock speeds on a 1350MHz Morgan. After overclocking the video card it jumped up to 7800. I used Win98SE, Rage3Dtweak 3.6 with Catalyst 2.3. I only load the overclocker, not the tweaker. I use the seperate ATI display controls to tweak with. After setting all three categories in the registry to 290.00 240.00 I go into the display panel and set the speed to 290/240 also. Then I also change the reset to 290/240. Regardless of what the sliders say, the card then stays overclocked. Is it possible that 5000 is an overclocked score? Maybe when you use powerstrip to overclock a little more it clocks up because your card is already overclocked? Also for the 761 chipset I use the AMD 480 AGP driver and set the IDE driver to utilize the IDEtool.

 

[The_Lurker]

Originally posted by: rogue1979
I was getting 5800 at stock speeds on a 1350MHz Morgan. After overclocking the video card it jumped up to 7800. I used Win98SE, Rage3Dtweak 3.6 with Catalyst 2.3. I only load the overclocker, not the tweaker. I use the seperate ATI display controls to tweak with. After setting all three categories in the registry to 290.00 240.00 I go into the display panel and set the speed to 290/240 also. Then I also change the reset to 290/240. Regardless of what the sliders say, the card then stays overclocked. Is it possible that 5000 is an overclocked score? Maybe when you use powerstrip to overclock a little more it clocks up because your card is already overclocked? Also for the 761 chipset I use the AMD 480 AGP driver and set the IDE driver to utilize the IDEtool.

It seems that WIn 98 SE doesn't have the problem of clocking it back (or detecting card speeds and not loading drivers). piippo over at Rage3d loaded up WIn 98 SE and used and oc bios and everything went fine. Once he loads WinXP or 2k, the drivers dun load, however it recognizes the card. So my theory is their driver implementation of oc detecing isn't in 9x Os'? Over 200 posts and we've almost given up over at Rage3d. Most of us just dun have the knowledge for driver/reg hacking. Sigh