Radeon 9600XT or Geforce FX 5900?

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CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: crzylgs
Originally posted by: g3pro
the 5900 is definitely the better choice: 256-bit pipelines vs. 128-bit, faster GPU, etc.

yeah right, those "pipeles" are just fancy terms.

the 9600XT would SLAUGHTER the 5900 in ANY test, not those "benchmarks" you kids look at today.

/sarcasm

buy a 5900NU and flash it to a 5950Ultra if you feel ballsy.

way better than that POS ati card for the same price

surely you meant "/sarcasm off", right? i mean.. no one would be clueless enough to say the 9600 is anwhere near as fast as the 5900, would they? or the "pipeline" comment? that's so absurd you couldn't be serious, could you? so there is no reason to buy the 9800 series over the 9600 series either? since the "pipelines" mean "nothing"?

nah.. no one one could be that clueless. i shouldn't even think that.. had to be a typo.

btw, there is no need to flash anything, most of them will run ultra speed bu just adjusting 2 sliders.

fyi to the previous poster, it's not "256-bit pipelines", rather a 256-bit memory interface (which effectively doubles the memory bandwidth of the gpu compared to a "128-bit" interface, or data path).
 

PCTweaker5

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Why do people brag so much about having their cards running at speeds of a higher card when the performance will not be the same. They act as if though it does. Why? Why? Why? It's cool that you got those speeds but dont act like its just as good as the better card because there are other things that make a card better rather than clock speeds.
 

crzylgs

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: crzylgs
Originally posted by: g3pro
the 5900 is definitely the better choice: 256-bit pipelines vs. 128-bit, faster GPU, etc.

yeah right, those "pipeles" are just fancy terms.

the 9600XT would SLAUGHTER the 5900 in ANY test, not those "benchmarks" you kids look at today.

/sarcasm

buy a 5900NU and flash it to a 5950Ultra if you feel ballsy.

way better than that POS ati card for the same price

surely you meant "/sarcasm off", right? i mean.. no one would be clueless enough to say the 9600 is anwhere near as fast as the 5900, would they? or the "pipeline" comment? that's so absurd you couldn't be serious, could you? so there is no reason to buy the 9800 series over the 9600 series either? since the "pipelines" mean "nothing"?

nah.. no one one could be that clueless. i shouldn't even think that.. had to be a typo.

btw, there is no need to flash anything, most of them will run ultra speed bu just adjusting 2 sliders.

fyi to the previous poster, it's not "256-bit pipelines", rather a 256-bit memory interface (which effectively doubles the memory bandwidth of the gpu compared to a "128-bit" interface, or data path).


yes,
/ always means eniding hte context such as
<body> </body> in html....it was a very sarcastic comment
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
Why do people brag so much about having their cards running at speeds of a higher card when the performance will not be the same. They act as if though it does. Why? Why? Why? It's cool that you got those speeds but dont act like its just as good as the better card because there are other things that make a card better rather than clock speeds.

because you're assumption is incorrect , at least when comparing "apples to apples".

cards using the same architecture but clocked differently will "scale" similarly as clock speeds increase. for instance, the 5900 uses the exact same gpu as the the 5950 ultra. it uses the same memory architecuture. a 5900 running at the same clock speeds will give the same performance of a 5950u. at this point, the additional 128mb memory of the "ultra" makes no discernable difference in today's games. that may change in the future, but by then these cards will be all old news anyway.

cards based on different architecture will of course not yield the same performance per clock cycle. the 9800pro for instance will still be "slightly" faster than a 9700p at the same core/memory speed because it has improvements in not only clock speed, but memory architecture and compression algorithms as well, among other things.

however, a 9800p and a 9800xt will perform pretty much the same, as they have the same architecture.

edit: bleh.. bad spelling, poor grammar
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
Why do people brag so much about having their cards running at speeds of a higher card when the performance will not be the same. They act as if though it does. Why? Why? Why? It's cool that you got those speeds but dont act like its just as good as the better card because there are other things that make a card better rather than clock speeds.

lol @ your stupidity
 

PCTweaker5

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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
Why do people brag so much about having their cards running at speeds of a higher card when the performance will not be the same. They act as if though it does. Why? Why? Why? It's cool that you got those speeds but dont act like its just as good as the better card because there are other things that make a card better rather than clock speeds.

lol @ your stupidity

Im guessing your running at Ti4600 speeds!
 

gunblade

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Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
Why do people brag so much about having their cards running at speeds of a higher card when the performance will not be the same. They act as if though it does. Why? Why? Why? It's cool that you got those speeds but dont act like its just as good as the better card because there are other things that make a card better rather than clock speeds.

You can't be serious, right?

I seriously hope not. In fact, at the same clock speed, 5900 will perform slightly better than the 5950U since 5900 has tighter memory setting.

People brag about it because they save a lot of money by overclock the speed and run just as good with the higher price product.

I saw that you bought a 9800 pro. Truth is people with 9800 non pro clocking to your 9800 pro speed will get the same performance as you with less money spent. (or even better if they can flash new bios with control over memory setting )


Just play cool and you will learn something.
 

PCTweaker5

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When I posted that I knew I would get flames for it and I also thought to myself "Im kind of wrong in some ways aint I" But oh well my post goes for a lot of cards, and I seriously dont think a 9800np could beat my 9800Pro. lol End of discussion on my part!
 

PCTweaker5

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I also did the 9500 Pro softmod to 9700 Pro a while back and that didnt do a damn thing for me as I did do it correctly so that makes me feel a little better!
 
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im an ATI man my self but even i can see the 9600XT is basically a marketing ploy......its extra clock speed and the low k stuff dont do enough to beet the 9600pro and therefore isnt really worth the extra cash

whats more....that old boy the 9500pro can pretty much put the XT to shame most of the time and if not its not far behind.

but what i do know is the 5900 will kick ass.........ok they skimped on them register thingy's that mean u cant get full precision in HL2 but who cares it aint coming out for a long while and its not like mixed mode is a bad thing.

5900 trounces alot of cards and will probably give ATI's best a run for their money
 

vicwang

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Another update:

I called BuyXtremeGear.com for an RMA, they said they don't cross ship for individual part orders (no idea what that's all about) but to ship them the card and they'd send a replacement. But then I found out they were just going to ship the card to BFG for a replacement, then ship the replacement to me.

Realizing the pointlessness of that scenario, I called BFG directly and only waited a few minutes this time before someone picked up. Got an RMA and shipped it to BFG (card only) via Fedex. They said it usually takes about 7-10 days. Also asked if cross ship was possible but they said no.

Seemed like decent support overall, let's just hope they don't lose my card or some crap.
 

Gibson12345

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If you don't plan on buying HL2, then by all means, the 5900 is the way to go. But if you're going to buy HL2, the XT suddenly becomes a $100 card. Compared to a $160-170 card that doesn't seem to support DX9 games at their full capacities... well... it's a judgement call, and there's no right answer.
 
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