Radeon HD 2900 XT has 102.4 GB/s bandwidth

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I wish they'd just release the damned thing. :disgust:

Now that would solve some problems.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Rage187
the 2900 is going to be the 5800 of this generation

I hope not because the whole Geforce FX range was really ****** and I should know I owned a MSI Geforce FX5900 XT VTD128 LOL DAMN YOU NVIDIA!

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Matt2
This is far less bandwidth than we originally thought there was going to be. This will probably bring the R600 much closer to G80 performance rather than exceeding G80 performance.

This does however make the $399-$450 price seem a bit more plausible. 512mb of 1600mhz GDDR3 shaves a lot of price off compared to 1GB 2000mhz GDDR4.

Wow, all you do is rag and whine about things, huh? Life must be tough.

I don't put any faith at all in the link, and questioning Fudzilla would be an appropriate response, but you don't do that - no you just take it as truth and try to still find a reason to moan.

That much negativity isn't healthy!

YACOUB you seem to be the biggest troll around here, and the sad thing is that you are such a bloody hypocrite.

If you disagree with someone then disagree. You seem to be very quick to stereotype anyone and then accuse others falsely of behaving exactly how you so obviously do.

The guy was responding to an article.

You think you are so bloody clever by being able to distinguish between facts and rumors. Look buddy, everyone else can as well, but we still enjoy discussing speculative material. Get it in your head.

 

[yacoub]

Whatever. Wow, this forum continues to slide downhill faster and faster and it's you same four or five idiots that drive it that way.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Mitch101
Because AMD/ATI can leverage manufacturing costs where NVIDIA cannot because they have to outsource a lot more of the manufacturing.

Consider AMD can produce thier own GPU's because they have a chip foundries where NVIDIA does not. AMD is also going 65nm which means more chips per wafer. NVIDIA will do this also but must pay a premium to the chip manufacturing companies.

When AMD moves to 45nm ATI will be shortly behind or done at the same time. Intel die shrinks then 6 mos later AMD needs to. GPU's have been about a year out normally on CPU die shrinks. Not anymore since ATI can begin die shrinks much sooner than NVIDIA without the outsourcing costs.

This means ATI can do a price war with NVIDIA because ATI can produce chips cheaper than NVIDIA. They also have the experience of chip manufacturing of AMD engineers and IBM engineers on die shrinks where NVIDIA doesnt.

On the other end of the spectrum you have Intel and while Intel may have never had a real gaming GPU they are not idiots and will eventually have something even if it never takes the top spot if it takes the mid range and lower its a huge blow to everyone because mid range is the sweet spot and Intel has chip manufacturing out the wazoo. Will be interesting to see how they are at drivers.

There is probably good reason Intel hasnt just gobbled up NVIDIA and thats probably because they can develop a GPU that could compete. For the first time ever in the last year I am hearing everyone say get the Intel motherboards over the NVIDIA ones. This means NVIDIA could be in trouble on the Mobo front and bearlake is coming along with a few other Intel chipsets.

NVIDIA might just be in a world of hurt about this time next year to late 2008. Then Intel might be able to get them for a bargain.

NVIDIA needs to consider becomming a CPU company to survive. We know GPU's are much better at a lot of things than CPU's. It might be time they tried becomming a CPU company as well. I dont see them surviving with graphics and motherboards without some serious competition coming from both AMD and Intel.

Nobody saw 3DFX go from top to bottom so fast but it can happen.

AMD is in no position to start a price war with one of the few remaining allies they have. All they are doing is fighting over intels marketshare scraps. In other words a shirnking market. It would serve little to no purpose except errode their stock price further and make them a target of a takeover.

The way AMD is bleeding money, it wouldnt honestly surprise me if Nvidia makes a move on them to get into the CPU market before Intel shuts them out.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Rage187
the 2900 is going to be the 5800 of this generation

I thought the 1800 was? According to some people ati released nothing but 5800's. Considering their current time line they'll release a 5800 sometime in 2020.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Rage187
the 2900 is going to be the 5800 of this generation

I thought the 1800 was? According to some people ati released nothing but 5800's. Considering their current time line they'll release a 5800 sometime in 2020.

ATI never had a 5800 generation in last 5 years. The x1800xt was on par if not better then 7800GTX. After Upgraded Drivers it was overall better. For the R600 to be ATI's 5800 it would have to be crushed by the 8800GTS which is very unlikely going to happen.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rage187
the 2900 is going to be the 5800 of this generation

Why, because you've seen benches and it sucks at DX10?

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Matt2
This is far less bandwidth than we originally thought there was going to be. This will probably bring the R600 much closer to G80 performance rather than exceeding G80 performance.

This does however make the $399-$450 price seem a bit more plausible. 512mb of 1600mhz GDDR3 shaves a lot of price off compared to 1GB 2000mhz GDDR4.

They said 399 EUR in the article. With the conversion that comes out to be $542.64 So lets hope that the card can perform to that price point.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: yacoub
Whatever. Wow, this forum continues to slide downhill faster and faster and it's you same four or five idiots that drive it that way.

I hope you include yourself in that group of "idiots".

You don't post anything worth reading.

Is going around calling people "idiots" the only thing you can contribute to this forum?

 

[rgreen83]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Matt2
This is far less bandwidth than we originally thought there was going to be. This will probably bring the R600 much closer to G80 performance rather than exceeding G80 performance.

This does however make the $399-$450 price seem a bit more plausible. 512mb of 1600mhz GDDR3 shaves a lot of price off compared to 1GB 2000mhz GDDR4.

They said 399 EUR in the article. With the conversion that comes out to be $542.64 So lets hope that the card can perform to that price point.

Sadly for people in the EU, euro pricing generally translates almost directly into dollars in technology products.

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rage187
the 2900 is going to be the 5800 of this generation

Why, because you've seen benches and it sucks at DX10?

they have dx10 bench mark applications out?


No, I'm saying it because this seems earily familar of the FX DX9 debaucle just the companies are reversed.

 

[ForumMaster]

price seems too low for something like this. AMD is going to be charging an arm and a leg for these. they need to make up for all the lost profit.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rage187
the 2900 is going to be the 5800 of this generation

Why, because you've seen benches and it sucks at DX10?

they have dx10 bench mark applications out?


No, I'm saying it because this seems earily familar of the FX DX9 debaucle just the companies are reversed.

We havent seen the benches yet, so calling it the next 5800 is a bit premature. Being late was only half of the FX generation's problems.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
price seems too low for something like this. AMD is going to be charging an arm and a leg for these. they need to make up for all the lost profit.

Previous generation flagships never used to cost more than $400. Part of the delay of R600 might have been to get costs down. And if the flagship parts are successful, the budget and midrange tend to follow suit because the flagships generally build the reputation of the entire series - and most of the profit has always come from the budget and midrange, not the high end.