Radeon HD 7950 Owner's Thread

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UPDATE: I'll just end up redoing this as an Official owners thread. We have 18+ pages of decent information that is not worth losing. Incoming guide and resources.

Overclocking guide

1.) The Tools You Need!

Benchmarks: These will not only give you a comparative score, but will also give you a good idea how you're doing on stability. We'll focus on two of them, Unigine Heaven and 3DMark11.

3DMark11: download

Unigine Heaven: download

OCCT: download (For stress testing)

Overclocking software: This will be the software you need to overclock your current 7950 to new heights. As we did above, we will focus on two applications, MSI Afterburner and Asus GPUtweak.

MSI Afterburner: download ; an alternative to MSI Afterburner is Sapphire Trixx: download

Asus GPUtweak: download (Asus GPUtweak is optional, but is a confirmed route for unlocking clockspeeds past 1125/1575 in MSI Afterburner. We also have an alternate method for doing this, we'll leave it up to you)

Monitoring Software: The monitoring software we'll be focusing on using is TechPowerUp's GPU-z, which will give you plenty of information on your clock speeds, temperatures and voltages. GPU-z will also indicate your ASIC % reading, which allows us to see whether the ASIC readings on the 7950s indicate their overclocking potential. (As a sidenote, MSI Afterburner and Asus GPUtweak both include monitoring software, which will allow you to compare and contrast. GPU-Z tends to have a bit more information temperature wise (VRM temps, etc) and will be necessary for your overclocking success.

TechPowerUp! GPU-Z: download

Another option

HWiNFO64: download

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Program Installation

Now we'll begin simply by downloading and installing all of the above applications onto your system. Theres no rocket science to this, no wacky tricks, and no mess with installing all of them. Ensure you have adequate hard drive space and, if you're in a rush, you can avoid installing the benchmarks applications until its time to test for stability... and scores.

Once you've got everything installed onto your system, and ofcourse you've rebooted, we will begin by opening ASUS GPUtweak and do the following:

1) Press the "Settings" tab on the left hand side.

2) Once in settings, you will see 5 tabs running along the top. We will want to enter the "Tuning" tab.

3) Checkmark the "Overclocking Range Enhancement" square just like the picture below:



4) Once you verify the checkmark is there, apply the setting and close down ASUS GPUtweak

5) Re open the application and verify in the tuning tab that the core clocks and memory clocks can go past 1100/5800. Your ASUS GPUtweak should now look like this:



6) Once confirmed, you can close down Asus GPUtweak, you will no longer be needing the application open. *Do not uninstall the application as it unlocks the clock speeds in MSI afterburner as well* *Ensure that MSI Afterburner is not open at any time during the clock speed unlocking process as it will not work*

7) To unlock voltage controls in MSI Afterburner, simply click settings and you will be prompted with this screen



Simply checkmark the two boxes as shown and restart your system. Voltage control should be unlocked with MSI AB after. Some may not have to do this step, some may.

The alternative option to unlocking clockspeeds in MSI Afterburner thanks to RussianSensation:

http://www.overclock.net/t/640563/ms...ass-ccc-limits
and put these words in too:

[ATIADLHAL]
UnofficialOverclockingMode=1
UnofficialOverclockingEULA=I confirm that I am aware of unofficial overclocking limitations and fully understand that MSI will not provide me any support on it

The cfg files are located at:
/MSI Afterburner/Profiles/MSIAfterburner.cfg
/MSI Afterburner/MSIAfterburner.cfg

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=359671

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Overclocking: Core Frequency

Your first step into increasing your frequencys is figuring out what you can do with any voltage adjustments. For starters, we'll simply see what we can do with the stock voltage on your card.

1) Open MSI Afterburner, you should see this:



2) Up the core frequency ONLY to 1050mhz and hit apply. Stress test the gpu via Heaven and 3DMark11 or with a good hour of gaming. If all checks out, see what your maximum temperatures were.

3)Assuming you had success maintaining your 1050mhz clock speed, continue to up the frequency by 5-10mhz increments and continue to stress with each application. Continue to go higher with this method until artifacting, lock ups, or AMD display driver failures occurr during stressing the GPU. You will then need to back down a step to what the last stable core frequency was and stop there.

4)Now, at some point, you'll end up hopefully from 1000mhz - 1100mhz without any voltage adjustment. If so, figure out where you're happy or if you're interested in going further with the core frequency. We will next be looking into memory overclocks and what we can get out of those.


*Voltage adjusting is considered an "advanced" degree of overclocking and will have it's own chapter so to speak*

Overclocking: Memory Frequency

Now that we've established where you can be in terms of your core frequency with the factory voltages of the card, we will now look into what we can get out of the 3GB of GDDR5 memory paired with it. We will be looking into what the maximum frequency is the memory will be happy to run at without adjusting the memory voltages.

Adjusting the voltage for your memory is a good way of shortening the life of them, so we'll simply increase the frequency and stop there. For the most part, the 7950 won't see huge gains with memory frequency increases other than in benchmarking so the number we hit over the factory speeds is really just e-peen glory.

1) Increase the memory frequency by 25-50mhz and test for stability. After each stress test, ensure that your GPU Core temperatures stay below 90*C and your VRMs stay below 90*C. We can monitor this by using GPU-Z and simply going into the "Sensors" tab and simply looking at what the temperatures are hitting.



2) At this point in the overclocking process, your VRM temperatures are very important to watch. You can probably go with the memory up to roughly 1600-1800mhz, proven a handful of times by multiple owners in this thread, but we can argue it won't give you much in terms of a performance increase in the games you play. None the less, once artifacting and/or lock ups occurr, back the memory frequency down by 5mhz until you see stability.

3) Once done, your MSI AB will look roughly like this:



Your frequencies will not necessarily be the same as mine, your voltage may be either higher or lower too. The idea is to see what you can do with the factory voltages. Upon completion, you can save the overclock as a preset (the numbers 1,2,3,4,5 at the bottom are essentially your presets) this way you can always have it there. You will also most likely want to have MSI AB to run upon start up, which you will see the toggle just below the row of preset buttons.

Your fan will more than likely need very little adjustment considering the voltages were untouched. Your chip will run just a little warmer than they did at stock frequencies. Once we delve into voltage bumping we will also look into how to set a functional fan profile and/or finding the best noise to cooling fan speed and manually locking it to that.


Also, if at any point through this little readme you decide you can speed up the process, i encourage you to do so. This is simply for those that have never overclocked in the past, or who wish to take caution to ensure they get a proper overclock on their card. I myself do not use this method and instead plug numbers in and adjust from there and test for stability when I feel I have something that would theoretically work. I have also been overclocking for a few years now and should not be used as an example for any newcomers to overclocking.

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***Overclocking For Advanced/Comfortable Users Only***
Do at your own risk! I accept no responsibility for any harm caused to anyone's system for publishing this!

Here we will discuss how much further we can go with our frequencies when we adjust the voltage. Now, despite what anyone may say, even myself, adjusting the voltage on your GPU does increase the risk of things going wrong. With that being said, the Tahiti chips are safely rated to run at voltages as high as 1.25v(1250mV) and many board members have made us aware that reference 7970s run at 1.175v(1175mV), which lucky for many new partakers in the MSI TFIII 7950, means our 7950s with 6+8 pin connectors are running reference 7970 PCBS. The importance of monitoring temperatures and testing for stability increases significantly once voltage adjustments are made considering we have now introduced a new variable to the table.

To be continued...
 
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RussianSensation

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Congrats on the new card!

If you don't mind can you share your experience with the card that may help others. A lot of people have been asking about what the best HD7950 to buy is and not many people on our forum have those cards:

1) Your overclock at stock voltage and with a volt mod, if applicable;
2) Your noise levels and load/idle;
3) Your temperature at load.

If you want to overclock past 1125/1575, you may need to enable MSI Afterburner unofficial overclocking (or Sapphire Trixx):

http://www.overclock.net/t/640563/msi-afterburner-1-4-0-bypass-ccc-limits
and put these words in too:

[ATIADLHAL]
UnofficialOverclockingMode=1
UnofficialOverclockingEULA=I confirm that I am aware of unofficial overclocking limitations and fully understand that MSI will not provide me any support on it


The cfg files are located at:
/MSI Afterburner/Profiles/MSIAfterburner.cfg
/MSI Afterburner/MSIAfterburner.cfg

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=359671

Thanks!
 

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From that thread over at guru3d:

AMD has removed two dll files in Catalyst 12.2 that still existed in version 12.1. Therefore if 12.2 happens to be the first driver you install on your new system you won't have those two dll files on your computer. This causes MSI Afterburner to fail to set the unofficial overclocking values.

And seing as how the server hosting the two missing .dlls in question appears to be down a lot of the time, it's not immediately obvious how to get afterburner working when doing a clean install -- or if for any reason pre-12.2 Cats were never installed before.

Anyway, from that very thread I learned a bit of ominous news reading over a post from Unwinder, creator of Rivatuner
Unwinder said:
According to my unofficial info AMD indeed removed this library from drivers on purpose. So if it is confirmed, say bye to unofficial overclocking mode. It will be removed from Afterburner as well.
 
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zaydq

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Good morning!

Yes I can most definitely post a small review on this particular card. One of the main reasons I offed my 7850 is due to the fact it would not overclock at all. I receive the card on Monday from the way it sounds so as soon as I can do all the tests I'll post the results. People who have purchased this exact card within the past 2 months have been reporting receiving a 7970 PCB with a 6+8pin connector as opposed to the standard 6+6 with most 7950s.

Assuming I can get fair results on my card within overclocking ability, noise levels and load temperature levels then Its hard pressing to fork out that extra $100 for a GTX 670 if I can close the gap with overclocking. I doubt I'll be able to trump a 670 on benchmarks but if I can close the gap to just a small difference in performance than I can't see the $100 extra being justified.
 

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Assuming I can get fair results on my card within overclocking ability, noise levels and load temperature levels then Its hard pressing to fork out that extra $100 for a GTX 670 if I can close the gap with overclocking. I doubt I'll be able to trump a 670 on benchmarks but if I can close the gap to just a small difference in performance than I can't see the $100 extra being justified.

At 1.1ghz, I would imagine that an HD7950 is as fast as a GTX680. The $449 reference design ($500 after market versions) prices of HD7950 and its stock performance have really hurt its image. Now, the value for gaming is unbeatable imo.



When I got my 7970, prices for after market 7950s such as yours were around $370-380. I would have grabbed 2 at $310, maybe. You timed it perfectly. :biggrin:
 

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Well actually I didn't time it right. I sold my 7850 at a loss of about $30. Had the price of the 7950 come down at the time of my 7850 purchase I would have forked out the money for the 7950. I purchased my 7850 @ 269.99 because i felt the 7870 wasn't worth the $50 premium. But the 7950 is definitely worth the $50 at this price. Sure people might call me dumb for essentially losing $80 for the 7950 but this just guarantees me an extra year before i need to consider my next upgrade.

Also, considering the gtx 670 is a superior gpu, so is the 7970. Essentially when someone says to just fork out the money for the gtx 670 they're pretty much saying fork out the money for a 7970. Better product = more money. The 7950 doesn't compete well stock for stock against the 670 but at being $100 less its hard to compare the two on a level playing ground. AMD was late at their price drops for their products hence why the 7950/7970 were such terrible value for performance. but now that the value is on par with it's performance it theoretically should not be ignored as a viable higher end graphics solution.
 
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Sure people might call me dumb for essentially losing $80 for the 7950 but this just guarantees me an extra year before i need to consider my next upgrade.

Probably the same people who think an overclocked HD7850 can match a GTX680/HD7970.

HD7850 is good against a GTX570 since it costs less and overclocks better and has 2GB of VRAM. However, compared to HD7950/HD7970/GTX670/680, it's noticeably slower in games.



^ This test is actually generous to the 7850 since FB2 runs better on newer cards. On the whole, it's 60-70% slower than either the HD7970 GE/GTX680 at stock speeds at 1080P once you take into account DX9 games.

Even at only 860mhz GPU, the 7950 is within 10% of the 7970/670 in games and 7850 is way behind:



A 1.1ghz 7950 is going to be fast.
 

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When you overclock the HD 7850 to about 1200mhz on the core, it's price to performance ratio CANNOT be beat.
 

zaydq

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When you overclock the HD 7850 to about 1200mhz on the core, it's price to performance ratio CANNOT be beat.

You would be correct if the hd 7950 was still around $380+. But at $310 its only $50 steeper than the 7850. Additionally, the 7850 isnt guaranteed 1200mhz on the core.

The 7850 was a good card if it Overclocks well but the 7950 has some overclocking headroom so essentially it will fare better than the 7850 if you were to overclock both and put them head to head.

Im hoping to get anywhere from 1100mhz-1200mhz with the 7950... will also report on maximum oc when i receive the card. My Gigabyte HD 7850 wouldnt go past 1050mhz on max voltage.


Reference link: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/38809-powercolor-pcs-hd7850/?page=11
This bench is with the HD 7850 oc'd to 1200mhz on the core and 6000mhz on the memory and it still falls slightly short of a stock HD 7950, with an oc on the 7950 you'll see they dont quite compare. And again with the 7950 @ 309.99 the price difference is smal for the extra gains you'd get.
 
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RussianSensation

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When you overclock the HD 7850 to about 1200mhz on the core, it's price to performance ratio CANNOT be beat.

$210 vs. $310 for the 7950, but an overclocked 7850 ~ HD7950, which may get 45-46 fps in some cases, while an overclocked 7950 will get over 60 fps. The minimums will also be much higher on the OCed 7950. This may matter for actual smoothness in the game. Whether it's worth another $100 is subjective on each person. Another bonus for the 7950 though is that HD7950 OCed can also make more $ on the side with bitcoin mining (about $70-75 a month), while HD7850 will be far behind since it only has 1024 shaders vs. 1792 for the 7950. In 2-3 months, the HD7950 would make up for all that $100 difference just mining on the side, and still have 30-40% faster performance than the 7850 since it also has 35%+ overclocking headroom. But ya, if you are only just gaming, HD7850 is very good value.
 
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zaydq

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$210 vs. $310 for the 7950, but an overclocked 7850 ~ HD7950, which may get 45-46 fps in some cases, while an overclocked 7950 will get over 60 fps. This may matter. HD7950 OCed can also make more $ on the side with bitcoin mining (about $70-75 a month), while HD7850 will be far behind since it only has 1024 shaders. In 2-3 months, the HD7950 would make up for all that $100 difference just mining on the side, and still have 30-40% faster performance than the 7850 since it also has 35%+ overclocking headroom.

But ya, if you are only just gaming, HD7850 is very good value.

I will note that the HD 7850s of lower pricing have yielded less gains when overclocking than the more expensive custom designs by Powercolor, Sapphire, XFX and Gigabyte. I've read that people tend to get the most gains out of Powercolor's design of the 7850, which currently retails on Newegg for $260.
 

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I will note that the HD 7850s of lower pricing have yielded less gains when overclocking than the more expensive custom designs by Powercolor, Sapphire, XFX and Gigabyte. I've read that people tend to get the most gains out of Powercolor's design of the 7850, which currently retails on Newegg for $260.

Thanks for pointing this out. I just realized my quoted price of $210 is for crappy versions. The Sapphire dual-fan and MSI TwinFrozr 7850s are only $40-50 less expensive than the MSI TwinFrozr 7950. That's insane. For $50 more, HD7950 880mhz will be ~ 39-40% faster out of the box based on the Sapphire Flex 860mhz card I linked earlier. Wow, that's value!
 

zaydq

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Yes exactly. Seems like some people don't quite understand what point im trying to make here. I'm not fanboying the HD 7950, i'm simply highlighting its performance:value ratio now that you can pick one up at a mere $50 more over an HD 7850 and/or a mere $0-$20 more over an HD 7870.

And, before nvidia fanboys jump this thread. I've never been stuck to one brand. I've been through an MX440, an X800XL, an X850XT, an Nvidia Geforce 6600GT, an Nvidia Geforce 8800GTS, Nvidia 8800GTX, an HD 7850 and now an HD 7950. I USED to have a slight bias for ATI as they were a Canadian company and I am a canadian citizen... but never enough to keep me from exploring Nvidias products.
 
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Protomize

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Thanks for pointing this out. I just realized my quoted price of $210 is for crappy versions. The Sapphire dual-fan and MSI TwinFrozr 7850s are only $40-50 less expensive than the MSI TwinFrozr 7950. That's insane. For $50 more, HD7950 880mhz will be ~ 39-40% faster out of the box based on the Sapphire Flex 860mhz card I linked earlier. Wow, that's value!
Hmmm, don't know why the 7850's aren't dropping to like $200 then. I can then pick another one up for crossfire.
 

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On this bench, the overclocked HD 7850 beats the HD 7950. The performance varies, but still, the HD 7850 when overclocked to 1200mhz+ on the core is more or less on par with the HD 7950 stock. Yes, I do know you can overclock the HD 7950 past that, but still. HD 7950 stock level performance is near overkill at 1080p and I'm getting this level of performance for only $244 when the majority of people pay the $300+ price for the HD 7950 and don't overclock it at all....

 

zaydq

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Hmmm, don't know why the 7850's aren't dropping to like $200 then. I can then pick another one up for crossfire.

I hear ya! I originally was going to purchase a Powercolor HD 7850 to replace my Gigabyte due to the pretty standard Ocing ability on those cards, but when I saw the price of the 7950 i decided to scoot for it. I think you'll see the HD 7850s drop in price when Nvidia release the GTX 660ti in august. AMD is more than likely milking the high demand for the 7850 at its price until Nvidia comes with an offering in the upper mid range market.

As i also mentioned earlier, buyers are reporting the MSI 7950 TwinFrozrIII is being shipped built on the 7970 pcb which, theoretically, could help achieve some nice stable overclocks.

On this bench, the overclocked HD 7850 beats the HD 7950. The performance varies, but still, the HD 7850 when overclocked to 1200mhz+ on the core is more or less on par with the HD 7950 stock. Yes, I do know you can overclock the HD 7950 past that, but still. HD 7950 stock level performance is near overkill at 1080p and I'm getting this level of performance for only $244 when the majority of people pay the $300+ price for the HD 7950 and don't overclock it at all....

Can't see the benchmark, you're right that an HD 7850 overclocked will compete with an HD 7950 without any overclock on it. But anyone who bought an HD 7950 and didn't overclock it would have also bought an HD 7850 and not overclocked it, hence they paid more for the 7950. Some people are comfortable OCing their cards, some are not.
 
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Since this card is tempting me, I have a question for 2+ monitor users: if I connect a monitor via HDMI instead of DVI, when I turn off that monitor will Windows disable that entire part of the extended desktop and push all its contents onto the main monitor, or will it just leave it be? I tried putting one of my monitors on DisplayPort just for the hell of it, and it did that all the time. Annoyed the heck out of me. Want to make sure I'm not making a mistake by not buying a dual-DVI card.
 

zaydq

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Im not quite sure. What i would suggest is to get an HDMI->DVI adapter to avoid the issue.
 

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Since this card is tempting me, I have a question for 2+ monitor users: if I connect a monitor via HDMI instead of DVI, when I turn off that monitor will Windows disable that entire part of the extended desktop and push all its contents onto the main monitor, or will it just leave it be? I tried putting one of my monitors on DisplayPort just for the hell of it, and it did that all the time. Annoyed the heck out of me. Want to make sure I'm not making a mistake by not buying a dual-DVI card.
That's a DP specific behavior, it sends signal to GPU that it's been turned off, it can be used for power savings I guess, it'd be nice if it were configurable. Turning off monitor connected by HDMI shouldn't do that, just don't disable it from Win/CCC.


Sorry for slightly hijacking the thread: seeing that Newegg is back with the 3-games bundle with 79xx, does anyone know if any of those require Steam? I'm only really interested in Deus Ex, and somewhat in Dirt Showdown.
 

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Just went to pull the trigger on one, and they're now out of stock.

No surprise. At that price they are quite the bargain. It's one of the top performing 7950's out there and it's the least expensive.

They've got the 7870 Twin Frozr on sale as well. They must need to move some MSI sku's. Bonus for us. :thumbsup:
 
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I got the 7850 @ 250 and they were amazing value since mine ran over 1.2ghz while being quiet.

But 7950s have the same OC headroom and at ~$300, is simply unbeatable in value. I have both and they both are crazy good overclockers, with these custom coolers that are quiet and do a good job of cooling OC gpus. Can't ask for much more than that.
 

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Just went to pull the trigger on one, and they're now out of stock.

No surprise. At that price they are quite the bargain. It's one of the top performing 7950's out there and it's the least expensive.

They've got the 7870 Twin Frozr on sale as well. They must need to move some MSI sku's. Bonus for us. :thumbsup:

From both of your locations I take it neither of you are in the US. How do you go about getting stuff from Newegg as they don't ship internationally? I would have jumped on this deal in a moment if I could have got them shipped internationally.
 
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